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I'm honestly not sure if it's specific to Lucas's down throw or not, I just kind of found this out by accident when I was constantly testing the combo and eventually I moved the CPU to one side. At first I didn't realize it and I was really confused doing it at a high percent and not being able to replicate it but while testing it on a Zelda bot I noticed it was working on the ledge. Is this a new discovery or has this always been around?
Japanese Skype Group? Also if this is accurate than that'd be really hype.
I'm living in JP, and the players here also have Skype groups for each of the various characters. I have no way to verify frame data, so I can't say it's 100% accurate, but no one in the group has contested the list thus far.
Alright cool, thanks for this!I'm living in JP, and the players here also have Skype groups for each of the various characters. I have no way to verify frame data, so I can't say it's 100% accurate, but no one in the group has contested the list thus far.
I figure you're right. I'm just not used to using zairs. However, doesn't it seem a tad slower and have less range than other zairs?Normally this would be bad but luckily the snake pretty much has replaced fair as a spacing move.
Any tips for this also? I've tried this a couple of times but I really haven't been able to land it yet. I think I might be a bit too aggressive with it.
The pummel is either stale or does a decimal percentage e.g 1.5%
I don't believe that's the case but trying this out with other characters 1% pummels it's just random. Like what happens when I tested it with Lucas is I did x4 1% pummels in a row and then a 2%, I retried it and it went 1% -> 2% > 1%. I then went to try this on Kirby cause he has a 1% pummel and I did a 1% pummel and then a 2% pummel, when I went to try it again I did a 2% pummel. I read that rhythm pummeling was a myth in Brawl (so not sure if it's real) but I wonder why the pummels function this way cause if it was stale then wouldn't it be 2% then 1% after a few pummels thus it stales and if it was a decimal percentage then why does it sometimes do a 2% pummel or 1% pummel within the first pummel or it does x3 1% pummel to 2% (which lead me to believe it was 1.3% per) but sometimes it just goes from 1% to 2%.
Could anyone explain how to read this Frame data chart? Blockfreeze, Blockfreeze (Self), Blockstun, Adv. (Drop) and Adv. (OOS).
Blockfreeze is how much time your opponent is frozen when you hit their shield. Blockfreeze (self) is how much time your character is frozen when you hit the opponent's shield (these two values sometimes vary, sometimes you are stuck in place for longer than your opponent, sometimes less, but it's usually equal). Blockstun is how long your opponent is forced to stay in their shield after blocking a hit (this is separate from block freeze). Block advantage OOS (out of shield) is how much faster (or slower) your opponent recovers from shield than you recovery from your own move. So for Lucas' jab 1, your opponent recovers from blocking 16 frames before you recover from jab 1's ending lag. Block advantage (drop) is similar but it takes the time required to drop your shield into account.
So when for example you use U-air on someone's shield which is (0/-8) and that afterwards do a 2frame jab then either they drop shield and are at 0 meaning that they get frametrapped if they don't have a 1/2-frame move or that have to do a OOS of 10 frame.
U-air jab could be viable as a cross-up (since if you land in front they just shield grab and you get punished if they have a fast enough grab), but keep in mind that for the air moves it assumes you connect as low to the ground as possible. So you get less advantage the higher you are when you connect with the move.
It can apply shield pressure - especially when coupled with jab cancels, gimp opponents that don't sweetspot the ledge or hit them during the 1 frame, combo into itself, and set up a grab.
LordWilliam1234
above dtilt is -7 on shield and grab takes 12 frames, so apparently the latter won't work on humans either.If you time it correctly you can hit characters before they ledge snap. The third hit of down smash extends far enough under the ledge that you can get some nice gimps, though it does require really good timing. Otherwise it's best used to punish spot dodges, though it's still a pretty big commitment so you're better off using something else.
Also worth noting that it will only ever hit once, when one hit lands the rest of the hitboxes become null and void for the one who was hit.
Pretty sure Lucas is intangible during Frames 1-4.
