Child named Adolf Hitler removed from home in New Jersey

[Crimson King]

Wow are you serious? High school? I knew about Hitler since middle school! Its common knowledge.

I was giving a generalization before people would actually make fun of him. We read our first diary on the Holocaust around 7th grade, but not everyone has by then. By High School, people will start to develop real beliefs about things.

 

[Skrah]

^ My bad Crimson.

And to answer you, Xsyven, its racism, it has always been there, and probably it will always be there

 

[SkylerOcon]

I was giving a generalization before people would actually make fun of him. We read our first diary on the Holocaust around 7th grade, but not everyone has by then. By High School, people will start to develop real beliefs about things.

I knew who Hitler was and why he was an evil man when I was in 5th grade. I know you were making a generalization, but youth doesn't mean ignorance.

 

[Jam Stunna]

Everyone agrees that the name is terrible, and that the kid's father is an ******* for choosing it.

But guess what? As crappy as it is to say, that poor kid just lost the genetic lottery, and has to deal with an ******* for a father. Government is not supposed to make your life fair. While it might not be fair or preferable to have an ******* for a father, tough break. You have my compassion, but I can't remove you from your home, and I wouldn't.

The state does NOT have the right to regulate what you name your kids, or to remove a child from a home for such a trivial matter. Some of you guys seem to be forgetting just how terrible state-run child care (We call it Department of Children and Families in my state) is, EVERYWHERE. Between the choice of having an ******* dad or being bounced between relatives and foster homes until the age of 18, which one is really better?

 

[Livvers]

And by high school(or sooner)the kid will know better about whether he wants to tell people his middle name. Also, by high school, a pecking order is already established. If he got into the cool kid's club, no one would care about his name.

And really, who goes around and says,"Hi! My name is John Meyers Smith!" No, you just sya,"Hi, I'm john"

 

[Takumaru]

I'm asking why is it bad to teach children to be wary of Jews, but totally okay for Christians teach children to be wary of homosexuals?

I see a resemblance between the two.




And guys, his name is actually Adolf Campbell-- which isn't scary at all.

It's "ok" because, for the most part, this is still a "christian" nation. Judeo-christian beliefs are deeply ingrained into our culture still. Because of the holocaust we consider nazi-ism to be a bad thing. I'm not trying to excuse anything christianity has done. If I could I'd apologize on behalf of my religion because it's become really convoluted and we've really messed things up. What's sickening is that christianity should be the complete opposite of nazi-ism (I'm not sure this is a word...) but it seems like it's becoming more and more like it.

 

[Yuna]

Who cares? You are assuming that he will never change his name when he's old enough to do so. You are also assuming that people will never create nicknames for him for school. Your whole argument is based on assumptions that do not matter.

But once he gets old enough to do so, he will already have suffered years upon years of shunning from society! His childhood trauma doesn't magically go away if he just changes his name!

How? I have never wanted to run for office or do media, and there are many, many, many other people like that. So because he loses the opportunity to do whatever he wants, it is suddenly wrong? No. No one can do everything; people are born with genetics and living situations that hamper them from progressing in life.

This limits his options severely. Severely. And it's not a birth defect or whatever. It's because of his name.

Also, you really think children will even know who Adolf Hitler is? I'd say kids won't get it until high school at the earliest.

Jewish kids probably do. Also, the parents of said children will most probably react.

The state does NOT have the right to regulate what you name your kids, or to remove a child from a home for such a trivial matter.

He was not removed from the care of his parents because of his name. They didn't say why they did it, but they specifically stated that it was not because of his name.

 

[Xsyven]

His name is Robert Paulsen Adolf Campbell.

 

[Crimson King]

But once he gets old enough to do so, he will already have suffered years upon years of shunning from society! His childhood trauma doesn't magically go away if he just changes his name!

Based on what? "That kid chose to be named after Hitler? SHUN HIM!" No, they will shun his parents. You don't pick your name; your parents do.

This limits his options severely. Severely. And it's not a birth defect or whatever. It's because of his name.

No, they are not. His name is Adolf Campbell. That is a badass and acceptable name. As Livvers said, he won't introduce himself as "Adolf Hitler Campbell", but just "Adolf."

Jewish kids probably do. Also, the parents of said children will most probably react.

Who ****ing cares what other people think? Jewish kids and their parents have a natural anger towards the Holocaust, but I am sure LOTS of people in history have anger towards someone or something that they have to accept.

He was not removed from the care of his parents because of his name. They didn't say why they did it, but they specifically stated that it was not because of his name.

That's not the argument anymore. The fact that the state clearly had some bias about the kids name is room for concern. Chances are that since his name was Adolf Hitler Campbell the state watched his family closer.

 

[GoldShadow]

Based on what? "That kid chose to be named after Hitler? SHUN HIM!" No, they will shun his parents. You don't pick your name; your parents do.

But CK, anyone who's been to elementary, middle and high school will tell you that's not true. Maybe your primary schooling was different, but I know that what you said would not hold true at 95% of schools.

 

[Crimson King]

All kids get picked on at some point in their life. I really can't see any kids picking on him for having the middle name of Hitler for a long, long, long time. Most of my friends never knew my middle name until college. It's not that big of a deal.

 

[Bowser King]

If you guys think people don't know about Hitler till high school, your highly mistaken. My brother knew about him in grade 5 and I found out in grade 6 when we read a book on the holocaust. I bet most kids likely learn it earlier because at the time when I read the book, most kids already knew about it.

It's also likely that the parents of this kid would tell him about Hitler early on. Seeing how he's named after him.


-Bowser King

 

[SwordmasterXXXI]

It's not that kids don't know about it, it's mostly that they don't care/don't understand it until high school. I remember back in grade 7 some kid said to another "Your mom was in the holocaust, yo!" and everyone laughed of course. :/

 

[Peeze]

I'm asking why is it bad to teach children to be wary of Jews, but totally okay for Christians teach children to be wary of homosexuals?

I see a resemblance between the two.




And guys, his name is actually Adolf Campbell-- which isn't scary at all.

Nazism doesn't teach to be wary of Jews, it teaches to hate Jews.
Christianity doesn't teach rounding up gays and starving and killing them.
Kinda off topic, PM conversation?

 

[Bowser King]

It's not that kids don't know about it, it's mostly that they don't care/don't understand it until high school. I remember back in grade 7 some kid said to another "Your mom was in the holocaust, yo!" and everyone laughed of course. :/

Seriously? Wow, that's a pretty messed up school =/

At the school I went, most kids completely understood what the holocaust was. They even showed us pictures of the holocaust and no one dared giggle or laugh. Actually, no one wanted to laugh or giggle seeing how bad the event was.

Still, I think the majority of kids understand it by grade 6-7.

-Bowser King

 

[Dastrn]

Unless there were accusations of neglect or abuse, they probably should not have been removed.

of course, they are probably better off now, but that's irrelevant. Parents have a right to decide how effed up they want to raise their children to be. SUCKS, but freedom's freedom.

 

[Zeruda]

While it's probably for the best that the children were removed, there doesn't seem to be any legal case for their removal. Racism, brainwashing, etc. is obviously bad, but it's not illegal. Perhaps they were abused, but there doesn't seem to be any report of it. The parents could fight for custody and more than likely win the case if they haven't done anything illegal.

Still, it's good to know that the kids have a chance at being saved from what could be a disastrous future.

 

[notftomearth7]

If I were in any position of power, I would've done the same thing. By taking away little Adolf from his family, they're preventing the breeding of racist skinheads. And in the wake of US's first black president, it was a smart decision.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

I think that's sad. If they want to raise their kids to be racist then they should be allowed to

QFT, it's a free country.

White racists get their children taken away from them because of their views? That's not right. so long as they don't break any laws I don't see how they are unfit to be parents. Plenty of children with racist parents grow up to be tolerant people. How many of you want to be like your parents, I don't. Doesn't mean they shouldnt have raised me.

 

[_Phloat_]

If I were in any position of power, I would've done the same thing. By taking away little Adolf from his family, they're preventing the breeding of racist skinheads. And in the wake of US's first black president, it was a smart decision.

What makes this right? What if you didn't like X kind of people and you were in power? Could you prevent their breeding?

If they did take them because of the name, even though they say they didn't, they broke the law.

 

[Chis]

It's a name. What's wrong with people these days? No one in their right mind should take this seriously. Heck, that's discrimination for crying out loud.

 

[Bowser King]

It's a name. What's wrong with people these days? No one in their right mind should take this seriously. Heck, that's discrimination for crying out loud.

You seriously think people are going to take it as "just a name".

If you do, I advise you read the past few pages.


-Bowser King

 

[Livvers]

Nazism doesn't teach to be wary of Jews, it teaches to hate Jews.
Christianity doesn't teach rounding up gays and starving and killing them.
Kinda off topic, PM conversation?

I think the original reference was that both nazism and religion is based around beliefs.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

These parents were asking for it, however they should still have the right to raise their children.

I have no sympathy for the name givers. Face it, if the child's name isn't changed there is a good chance he'll be killed in high school or elsewhere.

Heck, that's discrimination for crying out loud.

It is. Which makes political correctness hypocritical when it comes to whites. Black people are allowed to raise their children to hate whites, they're justified in it, we don't approve, but we don't take their kids away.

In the flip case, white racists are automatically persecuted because white people have to "make up" for the british and americans racist opression.

But I still think the parents asked for it.

 

[Crimson King]

This has gotten way off topic. It's probably best for a closure. I am sure this would make a good DH topic in the future.

 

[Mic_128]

And? Last I checked parents told kids the "sticks and stones" rhyme about words not hurting

I was away for four days, but just have to say if you believe that, you are a freaking moron. They damn well do hurt.