Character Rankings List - Post-March 2010

[mojo25]

WOAH....falcon isn't the least used?!?!!!?
....Wow......Hmmm.....Yoshi is one of my secondaries...
Anyways, this is turning out to be a pretty good list. Who know, someday people might start using this for making the tier list the more accurate it gets.
:]

 

[Morrigan]

C and D rank characters switch places so fast it's gonna take time 'til their places get somewhat decided.

 

[fkacyan]

Yeah, and people in E might see sudden jumps if they win a few things, or at least place well, out of nowhere.

 

[asob4]

olimar in B rank makes me very sad
there's like 5 of us using him in tourney and look at how far we got him :D

 

[petrie911]

Hmm...what's the deal with Sheik/Zelda? Did the person actively switch characters during the match? Or did he use Sheik for some matches and Zelda for others?

 

[Zankoku]

Actively switching characters during match is Sheik/Zelda. Using one character or the other throughout an entire match is that character solo.

 

[Nigerian Star Storm]

This is why in the lower ranks, we should pay more attention to the actual numbers than the rankings >_>.

 

[DanGR]

olimar in B rank makes me very sad
there's like 5 of us using him in tourney and look at how far we got him :D

amen brotha

 

[Waddle Dee Army]

This list does not make any sense. It leaves out so many variables.

1. Some characters are great against some opponents and terrible against others.

2. How is the character being used? One character can have a dozen uses.

3. The human element. Some gamers are more effective in certain situations. I hate fighting Zelda.

4. What level? Link is one of the best characters on a edgeless level like Bridge of Edin, but Link's lack of recovery can be frustrating on Final Destination.

5. How well can the person use items? I am getting tired of tournaments without items. I can play this game well with or without items. If you cannot use items, then you suck.

THE FINAL POINT. Super Smash Brothers Brawl is an extremely balanced game. Any character has an equal chance against any opponent.

 

[Adapt]

This list does not make any sense. It leaves out so many variables.

1. Some characters are great against some opponents and terrible against others.

2. How is the character being used? One character can have a dozen uses.

3. The human element. Some gamers are more effective in certain situations. I hate fighting Zelda.

4. What level? Link is one of the best characters on a edgeless level like Bridge of Edin, but Link's lack of recovery can be frustrating on Final Destination.

5. How well can the person use items? I am getting tired of tournaments without items. I can play this game well with or without items. If you cannot use items, then you suck.

THE FINAL POINT. Super Smash Brothers Brawl is an extremely balanced game. Any character has an equal chance against any opponent.

FAEL! This list is about how well characters do in tournaments... nothing else

 

[FishkeeperTimmay!]

This list does not make any sense. It leaves out so many variables.

1. Some characters are great against some opponents and terrible against others.

2. How is the character being used? One character can have a dozen uses.

3. The human element. Some gamers are more effective in certain situations. I hate fighting Zelda.

4. What level? Link is one of the best characters on a edgeless level like Bridge of Edin, but Link's lack of recovery can be frustrating on Final Destination.

5. How well can the person use items? I am getting tired of tournaments without items. I can play this game well with or without items. If you cannot use items, then you suck.

THE FINAL POINT. Super Smash Brothers Brawl is an extremely balanced game. Any character has an equal chance against any opponent.

I cried after I read this. Seriously. ENTRANCE EXAM PEOPLE. WE NEED THEM!

 

[fkacyan]

Actively switching characters during match is Sheik/Zelda. Using one character or the other throughout an entire match is that character solo.

Touhou avatars for the win.

 

[Waddle Dee Army]

FAEL! This list is about how well characters do in tournaments... nothing else

I cried after I read this. Seriously. ENTRANCE EXAM PEOPLE. WE NEED THEM!

Once again this list does not answer any questions. What were the rules for each tournament? What maps were used for each tournament? Were items allowed? (Who am I kidding items are never used for tournaments.) A list of opponents like the March Madness 64 tournament would be useful. How can I use this list for anything if it is just who won?

EDIT:

This chart is far more accurate and useful.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=157979

 

[fkacyan]

Once again this list does not answer any questions. What were the rules for each tournament? What maps were used for each tournament? Were items allowed? (Who am I kidding items are never used for tournaments.) A list of opponents like the March Madness 64 tournament would be useful. How can I use this list for anything if it is just who won?

EDIT:

This chart is far more accurate and useful.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=157979

Rules are more or less standard. Tourneys are linked in the REFERENCE LIST he has conveniently made FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU who find the need to nitpick a resource.

 

[Zankoku]

Once again this list does not answer any questions. What were the rules for each tournament? What maps were used for each tournament? Were items allowed? (Who am I kidding items are never used for tournaments.) A list of opponents like the March Madness 64 tournament would be useful. How can I use this list for anything if it is just who won?

EDIT:

This chart is far more accurate and useful.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=157979

First of all, R U SRS?! Second of all, like Thiocyanide said, I linked a reference list at the front post. It's detailed to the point of giving player names, character names, region of the country, and even a link to the tournament thread. I'm sorry that you skimmed to the list and basically assumed that it's supposed to be some "accurate list" or something. Uh, no. It's a list that (I hope) reflects the current metagame and frequency of character use in most tournaments, with a weight on their tournament performance.

Third of all, I have no idea how a subjective chart of matchups determined by a bunch of people, a good portion of which likely do not even attend tournaments, can be more "accurate" than a simple list of data completely derived from tournament results.

 

[Falconv1.0]

This list does not make any sense. It leaves out so many variables.
THE FINAL POINT. Super Smash Brothers Brawl is an extremely balanced game. Any character has an equal chance against any opponent.

......

You do know these are just stats of who is and isn't winning....right?

Also LOL BALANCE.

 

[Nitros14]

Captain Falcon in 23rd now? I greatly approve.

 

[Waddle Dee Army]

Rules are more or less standard. Tourneys are linked in the REFERENCE LIST he has conveniently made FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU who find the need to nitpick a resource.

First of all, R U SRS?! Second of all, like Thiocyanide said, I linked a reference list at the front post. It's detailed to the point of giving player names, character names, region of the country, and even a link to the tournament thread. I'm sorry that you skimmed to the list and basically assumed that it's supposed to be some "accurate list" or something. Uh, no. It's a list that (I hope) reflects the current metagame and frequency of character use in most tournaments, with a weight on their tournament performance.

Third of all, I have no idea how a subjective chart of matchups determined by a bunch of people, a good portion of which likely do not even attend tournaments, can be more "accurate" than a simple list of data completely derived from tournament results.

I appreciate your posts. I just got really irritated about everyone referencing these lists for accuracy. Where are the lists? I like reading lists of tournaments to get a grasp of characters. I guess that is what annoys me about just a list of numbers without any information to where it came from.

 

[Zankoku]

....Really? You still can't see it?

...
Cyan means the character was previously unranked
Green means the character is Luigi

Tournament Reference List is here:
http://theviashino.com/ssbb/tournaments2.txt



S: Snake, Meta Knight, King Dedede
...

 

[ShadowLink84]

Ankoku you no longer have a list for the overall placement of the characters?

Or am I misreading things again =(

 

[Zankoku]

I'm confused. What are you talking about?

 

[ShadowLink84]

Meh I thought you had made an overall ranking list that took spring/summer listings and palced them together.

 

[Morrigan]

This chart is far more accurate and useful.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=157979

After you said that...I don't know what "accurate and useful" really mean to you.

 

[Waddle Dee Army]

After you said that...I don't know what "accurate and useful" really mean for you.

It has more information.

 

[Zankoku]

I have a list of tournaments detailing where they are, when they happened, who placed top8 and with what characters, how many people entered, how much the entry fee was, and giving a link to the tournament thread.

I then compile that into a list of characters detailing their overall placements.

How does a table with blue checkmarks and red X's have more imformation?

 

[ShadowLink84]

Ouch. I must say Ankoku lays it down well.

 

[Swordplay]

I'm glad this list got updated. I'm curious where the new chars made it on the roster from

Link
Shiek/zelda

When do you think you will update your tournament results page?

 

[tonyrulz92]

I intend to bring that Peach rank up.

 

[FakeGeorge]

Essence Weekend Tournament
$10 entry
36 entrants
New Orleans, LA

2-Cyphus [Ice/ DK] & Lee [Metaknight/Snake]
3-Cluck [Metaknight]
4-David [Snake]
5-Rezze [ROB]
6-John Wu [Lucario/ Falco]
7-Loki [Metaknight]
7-Battosai [Marth]

Cyphus and Lee decided to split at the end, so there wasn't really a first place.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=180919

 

[fkacyan]

I have a list of tournaments detailing where they are, when they happened, who placed top8 and with what characters, how many people entered, how much the entry fee was, and giving a link to the tournament thread.

I then compile that into a list of characters detailing their overall placements.

How does a table with blue checkmarks and red X's have more imformation?

You need to make it a giant bitmap. Then he'll take it seriously.

Throw in as many colors as possible.

 

[Adapt]

It has more information.

First of all you are assuming that the matchup chart is correct... which it most certainly isn't

This listing here is correct. It's taken from real data... not the collective opinions of a bunch of people



Ankoku, further to what Thiocyanide said: don't forget to make it "pretty"

 

[rageagainst]

This is a great example of why tier list shouldn't circle around tourny results, and only keep them in mnd (i know that THIS isn't a tier list, but an example of how tourny results can skew a tier list).

Donkey Kong is above Pit, Peach is above Toon Link, Captain Falcon is above Zelda...

 

[Dark Hart]

Critical Hit 3 Singles Results
1: Mew2King (MK)
2: Azen (Lucario)
3: Chillin (Falco)
4. Neo (Marth)
5. Forte (MK)
6. PC (Snake)
7. Plairnkk (MK)
7. DSF (Snake)

I Neeeeeed Mooooorrreee Daattaaaa

It's Critical Hit 3, why do you need more data than that? =P

 

[fkacyan]

It's Critical Hit 3, why do you need more data than that? =P

Link to the tourney results page, number of entrants, pot size.

He's not here to do all the work. I think.

 

[Access Denied]

Before you know it, falcon will be at the top of the list.

 

[Kitamerby]

I love how Lucario's "overused" despite being rarer than camels in the tundra.

 

[billyandrocky]

I didn't bother to read all of those posts, but where is Yoshi? I didn't see him.

 

[ROOOOY!]

I didn't bother to read all of those posts, but where is Yoshi? I didn't see him.

Unranked, i.e. nobody has come top8 or better with him.

 

[JJR.O.B.]

he hasnt ranked yet

 

[Yukiwarashi]

I love how Lucario's "overused" despite being rarer than camels in the tundra.

Clearly, Lucario isn't as rare as you think he is. =/