Is this even applicable to the original Smash's? Technically, it really isn't for the overall roster.
Once again, X has nothing to do with Y.
Once again, X has nothing to do with Y.
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Yes, and then at E3, we may get 1 character revealed, or none, and yet again our common sense will have failed us. What's sensable isn't always correct. So when someone said they predicted this roster using "common sense" and "popular opinions" I went ahead and pointed out that those two things have failed us in the past.
I don't want to bother predicting the roster this time until I update probable character roster, and that one is just specific analysis's.
I don't even know how I got stuff like Wolf being in and Mewtwo being cut correct.
I don't even know how I got stuff like Wolf being in and Mewtwo being cut correct.
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That's one of the reasons I added Morshu into my sig.
Early 2007 before the announcement reveal. I started calling it more in mid-2007. I was flamed beyond belief even with the fact that I actually wanted Mewtwo with a redesigned moveset
the problem is I'm generally of an unpopular opinion so...
One thing I've noticed on these forums is that, even if the majority of users share a single general opinion, they often reach that opinion through different means. Little Mac being likely was a solid example. Some saw him as likely because of being in the E3 leak, others saw him as the obvious choice from a prominent new franchise, several took the Punch Out!! Ring as a hint, many saw him as a popular choice for years and years. A few agreed with all of those factors, and a minority saw him as a guy who only punches.
So yeah, while there are topics on which there can seem to be a bit of a hivemind, I don't think every majority opinion can be generalized that way.
So yeah, while there are topics on which there can seem to be a bit of a hivemind, I don't think every majority opinion can be generalized that way.
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That's a very interesting point BKupa; I see a lot of reasons people have for and against a character. Mine actually differentiate a lot because I'm actually in Game Design and I've done quite a bit along with talking with others already, so I have a lot of factors in my mind that are very different. "Is the character easy to design? How unique will it truly be, or are we just copying aspects from another character? Is the character worth designing?" etc. Many tech geek and art stuff come into my head.
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It's not to say that the general consensus is always wrong either. I mean, we did get Little Mac, and Megan. The latter, I was on the fence about. Although I really did believe we wouldn't see a third party character in Smash again. A lot of that came from reading too much into what Sakurai himself said (Surprise surprise)
Unfortunately I think while some helping shift others' perceptions to the "general opinion" through use of reason and logic and past evidence is prevalent on here, so are people just going along with characters because they don't want to go against the hive mind or because select people bring them up enough and others start to think they actually have a good chance, when in many cases it's far from that.
People shouldn't worry about expressing their own opinions (which many don't) even if they go against the grain, just... keep in mind they're opinions.
But yeah, there are many ways to look at a character and their chances, some more sensible than others.
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People shouldn't worry about expressing their own opinions (which many don't) even if they go against the grain, just... keep in mind they're opinions.
But yeah, there are many ways to look at a character and their chances, some more sensible than others.
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Reading into what Sakurai says is pretty unhealthy because he's one of the many game directors that tries to answer things in the most indirect way possible when they're not straight questions.
Also because Sakurai isn't even the only director/producer on these games.
Also because Sakurai isn't even the only director/producer on these games.
SuperBrawler
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Do you think we will get a fourth third Party?
It probably is because of copyrights and contracts and the sorts.
Probably. Probably the Pac.
Something being a real difficult process hasn't stopped Sakurai before if he thinks the outcome is worth it. He's also spoke positively of the past third-party inclusions.
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SuperBrawler
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For another topic: do you think an eShop rep (Like Mallo or Dillon) is likely? Why? And if so, who would it be?
Also, I think if we got a third Party it would be Pac-Man, but I like Layton more.
Also, I think if we got a third Party it would be Pac-Man, but I like Layton more.
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An eShop rep is a pretty unfounded theory, considering that means the character would get in to rep the eShop, and not due to the character itself. And there's no precedent of Sakurai adding characters due to the platform they originated on (which the sole exception of G&W, who literally represents his system, he doesn't just have a game on it). The closest is adding "classic" characters, and from Sakurai's statements those are based around an era, not a platform.
So no, I don't think we'll be getting Mallo or Dillon or any of those characters, but there's more ways than just being playable to represent something.
When he talked about the success of Snake and Sonic, I figured he'd at least try to get both of them back, and would possibly look into one or two new ones as well. However, when he talks about how difficult the process is, I interpreted that as him wanting to remind fans not to expect many of them (he reinforces this in relation to Tekken characters and whatnot in later interviews that are always brought up during Pacman debates). This is because you can bet, if he said, "Yeah, third parties weren't too difficult for us to add," fans would extrapolate from that and believe we're going to get, like, triple or quadruple the amount of third parties Brawl had.
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Keeping it going.
Maybe Pac-Man. Other than that, I can't see anyone Sakurai would consider "important" or "legendary" enough. Bomberman and Simon Belmont would be cool, but I don't know if we'd get a second Konami character.
If it was a namco rep,it would either be Pac or Kloana.
If capcom got a second rep,it would most likely be Ryu from Street Fighter.
If it was a Konami rep,it would either be Snake or one of the men from Contra.
I am not sure about SEGA,though.
If capcom got a second rep,it would most likely be Ryu from Street Fighter.
If it was a Konami rep,it would either be Snake or one of the men from Contra.
I am not sure about SEGA,though.
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It seems like it did turn out that in fact, Little Mac is a "guy who only punches."
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It could be possible. If I had to pick one Dillon would be my choice.
Well atleast Sakurai used clever and creative punch attacks.
Should have been clearer; a minority of people thought that, because Mac only punches, he'd have no chance whatsoever at being noticed as a unique character.
Ah, good times.
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I was a person who said he could only punch. I never meant he couldn't be made unique. I'm actually really excited about how he turned out.
Yeah, there were a handful of people countering the "not unique, no potential" group by saying that, because Mac only punches, he'd be a highly unique fighter, and this game's equivalent to Dudley and a handful of others. Which, lo and behold, he now is!
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The way Mac punches aggressively and wildly makes me want more of types of newcomers like him in the roster.
Prince Sable could have wild cartoonic fighting with his sword to make him feel different.
Who else could use that fighting style?
Prince Sable could have wild cartoonic fighting with his sword to make him feel different.
Who else could use that fighting style?
I agree that thus far, all the Newcomers have very distinguished mechanics. Hopefully, the remainder will also be standouts in the roster.
I love how Sakurai just surprised us like this. For most times,it would be because of a brand new release. And he kept doing it,then we expected Diddy for DK Tropical Freeze,or Palutena for Valentines,but instead,we got Little Mac.
Sakurai is the master of surprises,isn't he?
Sakurai is the master of surprises,isn't he?
Funny considering lots of people were expecting him to be one of the initial reveals at E3.
I agree the newcomers have been pretty distinguished from existing characters, but to be fair that usually is how rosters (even of past Smash games) are revealed, the diverse unique newcomers followed by the less-than-original ones (for the most part at least - obv unlockables might be an exception). Best foot forward and all.I agree that thus far, all the Newcomers have very distinguished mechanics. Hopefully, the remainder will also be standouts in the roster.
I wouldn't rule out Diddy completely, Tropical Freeze comes out in 'murica next week, so maybe Sakurai will reveal him then. It's not like we haven't gotten close-reveals before.
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Nah, I say keep Snake, and no further changes.
Did I say he was going to be removed?
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I don't know if anyone else has noticed that the trailer of Little Mac is only featuring firsts unveiled elements from the game. Just look at the characters that Little Mac is fighting : only the firsts unveiled E3 characters. And I'm not sure about the stages, but it seems like the case too.
Don't you think it's strange ? I'm under the impression that the trailer was made a while back ago.
Don't you think it's strange ? I'm under the impression that the trailer was made a while back ago.
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King Dedede disagrees with you.
And if you are implying what I think you're implying, it doesn't matter if the leak was legit or not as it has no impact on the great likelyhood of Pac-Man and the "wonderful" Miis.
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So does Marth, the Galaxy stage, Pyrosphere, etc.
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I forgot Dedede, and I looked the trailer at least ten times o_o.
I wasn't implying that the leak could be true. On the contrary, I was implying that because the trailer could have been made a while back, and the fact we had not any leak confirming Little Mac, this would mean that Sakurai's team are keeping well the secrets (sound guy leak and all would be proven fake). But yes, Dedede disagree with me
(and so does Marth, but I forgot him too, I wasn't sure for the stage).But it's still weird that they are not using Rosalina at all...
I'm a little tired, so sorry...
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Why would they need to?
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