Character Discussion Thread

[egaddmario]

So, you think the Gematsu newcomers are all we're getting, yet last I checked, you seemed to have absolute confidence in Mewtwo. That seems a bit odd to me.

Mewtwo's not a newcomer.

 

[False Sense]

Mewtwo isn't a newcomer in my book.
He was in Melee and he's been planned for every single Smash so far.

Mewtwo is a bit of a special case, but he's not a newcomer.
He's included in my 50 character roster.

Yes, it's true that Mewtwo isn't a newcomer. But if you think that Gematsu definitely leaked all the newcomers (and a few other details, like DLC and Ness vs. Lucas), I would have to wonder why he would leave out Mewtwo. He may not be a technical newcomer, but he's a character that wasn't in the last game, and his return would be a rather big matter. If the leaker knew Mewtwo was returning, I would think he would have mentioned something about it.

Just so you know, I hold the belief that there may be further newcomers beyond those leaked by Gematsu, but I also think it's possible he leaked them all.

 

[Kenith]

I'm not disappointed that we're getting Little Mac, Palutena, Chorus Kids, and probably Mewtwo.
K. Rool and Ridley would be nice, but I have great characters already.
It's just disappointing that the pleasure of speculation is gone. Everything goes back to Gematsu, and it gets a little annoying from both sides. Neither side is swayed. Believers believe, non-believers don't.
But I'm not going to go against what I believe. I do think that we're getting Gematsu. I think that the roster will be 50 characters. I am disappointed that this doesn't leave much room for other awesome characters (K. Rool, Ridley, Isaac, Paper Mario), but I'm content with my speculated roster.
What's also upsetting is that it's affecting friendships that I have here on the boards.
You and I can't go a day without arguing.

You don't really sound crestfallen, but you do sound rather defeated. Like, "it is what it is".

Me, I absolutely will not believe a leak that has so far revealed characters that A) were rather obvious additions B) Were still rather obvious additions). I'll believe the leak when there's no reason to pick sides anymore and we already know the roster.

 

[egaddmario]

Yes, it's true that Mewtwo isn't a newcomer. But if you think that Gematsu definitely leaked all the newcomers (and a few other details, like DLC and Ness vs. Lucas), I would have to wonder why he would leave out Mewtwo. He may not be a technical newcomer, but he's a character that wasn't in the last game, and his return would be a rather big matter. If the leaker knew Mewtwo was returning, I would think he would have mentioned something about it.

Just so you know, I hold the belief that there may be further newcomers beyond those leaked by Gematsu, but I also think it's possible he leaked them all.

I agree. I believe the Gematsu leak is factual, but we don't know if it stops with all that he's mentioned or if there might be more. After all, he didn't get Rosalina.

 

[Kenith]

I honestly don't see the appeal of King K. Rool.
I don't know why. I've just never particularly liked him.

Really, I just don't see the point. Dixie Kong is nearly as prominent, having her own game, being in Tropical Freeze, probably being easier to design as she has a more consistent move pool and is similar to Diddy, and is almost as requested for Smash.

 

[False Sense]

I agree. I believe the Gematsu leak is factual, but we don't know if it stops with all that he's mentioned or if there might be more. After all, he didn't get Rosalina.

Rosalina is a valid point, I think. I know that a many people argue that Rosalina would have just been leaked in the second part if she hadn't already been revealed, but I think what's important is that he didn't leak all the newcomers at once. He leaked some, then waited a significant amount of time before leaking more. Interestingly enough, the second and third batches of information were outdated, making it very unlikely that the leaker only just got the information. There's also the fact that this leaker seems to have a fair amount of knowledge about the roster, yet hasn't bothered saying anything about which veterans are definitely returning or are cut. It seems more likely that the leaker was withholding information. Why he would do that is anyone's guess, but if he is withholding information, then we cannot definitively say that he leaked all the newcomers. On the other hand, there's the possibility that the leaker does not know everything, which would explain why he hasn't leaked that much information. In either case, we can't rule out the possibility of further newcomers.

Oh, I forgot something else. The information leaked has been, as I said, outdated. There also exists the possibility of characters who were added after the information was obtained.

 

[*The Sensus Crustulum*]

I would agree with the others who say that it might be all the newcomers.
Although I would love more characters, it seems that the way Sal leaked them in the 2nd part, it seems that they are all the newcomers.
Also I would like to add that it would have been redundant to leak Rosie in the 2nd part as she was already confirmed.

 

[egaddmario]

Rosalina is a valid point, I think. I know that a many people argue that Rosalina would have just been leaked in the second part if she hadn't already been revealed, but I think what's important is that he didn't leak all the newcomers at once. He leaked some, then waited a significant amount of time before leaking more. Interestingly enough, the second and third batches of information were outdated, making it very unlikely that the leaker only just got the information. There's also the fact that this leaker seems to have a fair amount of knowledge about the roster, yet hasn't bothered saying anything about which veterans are definitely returning or are cut. It seems more likely that the leaker was withholding information. Why he would do that is anyone's guess, but if he is withholding information, then we cannot definitively say that he leaked all the newcomers. On the other hand, there's the possibility that the leaker does not know everything, which would explain why he hasn't leaked that much information. In either case, we can't rule out the possibility of further newcomers.

Oh, I forgot something else. The information leaked has been, as I said, outdated. There also exists the possibility of characters who were added after the information was obtained.

And like Melee, we don't know if last minute he'll add semi-(or full) clones to pad it.

 

[Rockaphin]

I honestly don't see the appeal of King K. Rool.
I don't know why. I've just never particularly liked him.

Really, I just don't see the point. Dixie Kong is nearly as prominent, having her own game, being in Tropical Freeze, probably being easier to design as she has a more consistent move pool and is similar to Diddy, and is almost as requested for Smash.

I like both but I think the Donkey Kong series needs its main antagonist. (well, he's generally accepted as that.) a series as popular as it is, it's a shame that it only has two characters especially when two are extremely popular and have been heavily requested for some time now.

 

[YoshiandToad]

I'll start supporting K. Rool when Nintendo does.

Until then I'll root for Dixie.

 

[*The Sensus Crustulum*]

New roster!
Yes, I know I said that I agreed that that would be it for the newcomers in the Sal leak, but that would mean that I wouldn't add any more newcomers! Where's the fun in that? So I added a few newcomers for fun. This is more like a prediction roster if those weren't final newcomers. Green denotes newcomers and pink denotes DLC.

 

[YoshiandToad]

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New roster!
Yes, I know I said that I agreed that that would be it for the newcomers in the Sal leak, but that would mean that I wouldn't add any more newcomers! Where's the fun in that? So I added a few newcomers for fun. This is more like a prediction roster if those weren't final newcomers. Green denotes newcomers and pink denotes DLC.

Perfect DLC choices.

Only slight disappointment is that Isaac wasn't considered for DLC too.

 

[Deleted member]

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New roster!
Yes, I know I said that I agreed that that would be it for the newcomers in the Sal leak, but that would mean that I wouldn't add any more newcomers! Where's the fun in that? So I added a few newcomers for fun. This is more like a prediction roster if those weren't final newcomers. Green denotes newcomers and pink denotes DLC.

Not a bad roster, but I am surprised not to see Isaac anywhere. I still absolutely despise the concept of newcomer DLC, but I can still live withought having any of your DLC choices(yes even Lucas), but still a really nice roster!

 

[YoshiandToad]

I can still live withought having any of your DLC choices(yes even Lucas)

That's the true beauty of DLC characters though; living without them is an option.

(particularly if they don't become a thing)

 

[Deleted member]

(particularly if they don't become a thing)

That's the problem. If they exist, I must have them. There is no middle ground, all characters must be mine! That's there way of making you spend more money. Even veteran DLC I must have. But I wouldn't mind veteran DLC so whatever.

 

[Rockaphin]

I am disappointed that this doesn't leave much room for other awesome characters (K. Rool, Ridley, Isaac, Paper Mario)

This, I support all of those characters you listed and I believe they would each be fantastic additions. I'm not too big on the leaked characters. Now, I don't hate them, but I have my personal favorites I'd like to see.

 

[Opossum]

Just my current roster. The far right column isn't a regular column, but just a large "Mii Fighter" spot and the random button. It's not a part of the main roster. Down below are some potential DLC choices. I doubt we'll get all of these, but these are the ones with the best shot, in my opinion.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

What's the rationale for choosing certain characters as DLC? What keeps them from being regular characters?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Just my current roster. The far right column isn't a regular column, but just a large "Mii Fighter" spot and the random button. It's not a part of the main roster. Down below are some potential DLC choices. I doubt we'll get all of these, but these are the ones with the best shot, in my opinion.

Great DLC choices, especially Impa.
The only thing I'm iffy about is the Mii fighters being three seperate slots.

 

[EbonyRubberWolf]

Yes, it's true that Mewtwo isn't a newcomer. But if you think that Gematsu definitely leaked all the newcomers (and a few other details, like DLC and Ness vs. Lucas), I would have to wonder why he would leave out Mewtwo. He may not be a technical newcomer, but he's a character that wasn't in the last game, and his return would be a rather big matter. If the leaker knew Mewtwo was returning, I would think he would have mentioned something about it.

Just so you know, I hold the belief that there may be further newcomers beyond those leaked by Gematsu, but I also think it's possible he leaked them all.

Something that supports this is the fact that Ness V Lucas was mentioned. Gematsu seems to be pointing toward changes in the status quo of prior games. Since Mewtwo's status quo is not being playable(as of Brawl), the leaker saw no need to divulge what everyone already 'knew'.

 

[Second Power]

What's the rationale for choosing certain characters as DLC? What keeps them from being regular characters?

I'd say time (more time after release to make them), controversy (Lucas, whose both a semi clone and is not really popular in Japan), being cut for logical reasons (Roy, Squirtle, and Ivy), or not existing/prominent when the roster was being decided.

 

[Opossum]

Great DLC choices, especially Impa.
The only thing I'm iffy about is the Mii fighters being three seperate slots.

I mentioned that they're not three slots. It's supposed to represent one big slot off to the side, like how Mii selection works in some other games.

 

[BKupa666]

I'll start supporting K. Rool when Nintendo does.

To each his own, but letting Nintendo essentially handpick your favorites for you comes across as a touch shallow.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Lyn, Hector, and Roy have no shot, I'm sorry. They were reasonably popular when FE7/FE6 came out however many ages ago, and theyre popularity wanes with each iteration. Robin is a playable character, the only playable avatar in FE history, and has a unique movepool. I don;t think he'll get in because chrom is chrom though, but I rank him second out of any other FE rep.

LOL you're kidding me right? Roy is heavily requested among the Smash fans, and is extremely high on the requests, even shortly behind Mewtwo. If Roy doesn't make it, I can expect him to be DLC at least.

Unique movepool? Here's an idea: Give us Isaac instead of Robin and call it a day. Golden Sun needs a playable rep and Isaac is our boy for the job.

 

[YoshiandToad]

To each his own, but letting Nintendo essentially handpick your favorites for you comes across as a touch shallow.

I do see your point, but I don't really have a connection with the croc, so I have no real reason to push for his inclusion until it seems like Nintendo wants to reintroduce him at which point maybe that spark relights for me.

(Also I'm kind of a Toad fan and have had this username since 2001; I need not be told about such things since the shroom's only become prevalent in the past year or so.
Support K. Rool if you want, I just personally think you should focus effort on petitioning for him to get back into the DK series first and foremost if you have not done so yet.)

That's the problem. If they exist, I must have them. There is no middle ground, all characters must be mine! That's there way of making you spend more money. Even veteran DLC I must have. But I wouldn't mind veteran DLC so whatever.

Believe me; I get it. That collection OCD that made Pokemon such a huge hit.

It may seem like a waste of cash but I prefer to look at it like this; if Smash is the game I am most likely to be addicted to for the best part of 6-7 years(til the next one arrives if we get a next one) then I'd rather spend money improving longevity for that game then spending it on another one I'm only going to play for about two weeks tops.

 

[ElPanandero]

LOL you're kidding me right? Roy is heavily requested among the Smash fans, and is extremely high on the requests, even shortly behind Mewtwo. If Roy doesn't make it, I can expect him to be DLC at least.

Unique movepool? Here's an idea: Give us Isaac instead of Robin and call it a day. Golden Sun needs a playable rep and Isaac is our boy for the job.

First off, I support Issac,I want him more than any other newcomer. I'm saying Robin is the most unique prospect left from Fe, which is what we were talking about. Not golden sun. And I'll gladly concede that people want Roy if someone can shoe me the source where these rankings are coming from. Either way, I guarantee he doesn't make the initial roster, and I'd be surprised if he made DLC (has DLC characters even been confirmed as a thing?)

 

[Louie G.]

Roy isn't going to be in the immediate roster. It's going to be someone from Awakening, Gematsu or not.
However, Roy has a great shot of coming back through DLC. In fact, I'm expecting it.

Robin and Isaac have similar ideas for playstyle, but I think Isaac is a better bet at this point mainly because Chrom is probably in (shoot me if you want to). I've really warmed up to Isaac lately, and although I don't think he's going to happen, I would love to be wrong.

 

[Kenith]

Robin and Isaac have similar ideas for playstyle, but I think Isaac is a better bet at this point mainly because Chrom is probably in (shoot me if you want to). I've really warmed up to Isaac lately, and although I don't think he's going to happen, I would love to be wrong.

Okay.

*shoots Louie G*.

What have I done...I have taken the life of a another human being over Smash Bros speculation...
Anyway, why can't have both Chrom and Robin?

It's not they weren't both the main characters.

 

[Deleted member]

If they make Roy DLC, they had better not redub him. His voice (and his yellow costume) is half the reason I use him. The other half being how he plays.

Spoiler

Okay.

*shoots Louie G*.

What have I done...I have taken the life of a another human being over Smash Bros speculation...
Anyway, why can't have both Chrom and Robin?

It's not they weren't both the main characters.

*slap* NO! You're doing it wrong:

That's more like it.

 

[Louie G.]

We can get both Chrom and Robin, however Fire Emblem is relatively small to get four characters.
Especially before DK, Kirby, and even Star Fox.

DLC may open up the opportunity for another, though.

 

[epicgordan]

Don't have roster maker (nor do I see much reason to get it as of this moment), but here's my roster:

Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Rosalina, Yoshi, R.O.B.*, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Wario*, Chorus Kids**, Mr. G&W*, Samus, Zero Suit Samus, Ridley***, Link, Zelda, Ganondorf*, Sheik, Toon Link, Pit, Palutena, Ike, Chrom**, Marth,
Kirby, Meta Knight, Dedede, Fox, Falco*, Wolf*, C. Falcon*, Greninja, Charizard, Jigglypuff*, Lucario, Mewtwo***, Pikachu,
Villager, Little Mac, Olimar, Ness*, Ice Climbers*, Shulk**, Wii Fit Trainer, Mega Man, Sonic, Pac-Man, Mii Fighters, Random
* Returning Veterans
** Gematsu Three
*** Additional Newcomers

Characters that I was forced to cut: Dixie Kong, Ghirahim, Hades, Krystal, Zoroark (disconfirmed), Lucas, and Isaac

 

[Autumn ♫]

Since everyone's showing their roster, I might as well show mine.

You can switch Toad for any other reasonable Mario character, and Sceptile for Jigglypuff if you want.
Also, Captain Falcon's on the side because I forgot to add him when I first made the roster.

So, how do you guys like it?

 

[Spinosaurus]

Any roster with Snake is A-OK with me.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Since everyone's showing their roster, I might as well show mine.

You can switch Toad for any other reasonable Mario character, and Sceptile for Jigglypuff if you want.
Also, Captain Falcon's on the side because I forgot to add him when I first made the roster.

So, how do you guys like it?

Remove Dark ArmPit, remove Sceptile for Jiggs and I would also like the addition of Isaac.

 

[Kenith]

We can get both Chrom and Robin, however Fire Emblem is relatively small to get four characters.
Especially before DK, Kirby, and even Star Fox.

DLC may open up the opportunity for another, though.

Fire Emblem is bigger than Starfox, and people have been wanting (and almost have) four Starfox characters since ever.
At least, it is now.

Fire Emblem has been around since the NES. I think it warranted three characters in Brawl.

 

[FlareHabanero]

To each his own, but letting Nintendo essentially handpick your favorites for you comes across as a touch shallow.

It depends on the situation, really. Sometimes it's postive, sometimes it's negative, it could even be neutral, but generally speaking the overall response is never a hivemind.

 

[Rockaphin]

Okay.

*shoots Louie G*.

What have I done...I have taken the life of a another human being over Smash Bros speculation...
Anyway, why can't have both Chrom and Robin?

It's not they weren't both the main characters.

I'd be ok with this. It's a hard decision honestly. I think Robin is the main focus of the story in Awakening, but Chrom is the main lord of the game. I prefer Robin, but Chrom isn't a bad choice at all.

Watch us get Chrom, and Robin is part of his Final Smash.

Fire Emblem is bigger than Starfox, and people have been wanting (and almost have) four Starfox characters since ever.
At least, it is now.

Fire Emblem has been around since the NES. I think it warranted three characters in Brawl.

I thought Mario was going to have at least five characters in Brawl and I'm still shocked that it didn't.

 

[BKupa666]

It depends on the situation, really. Sometimes it's postive, sometimes it's negative, it could even be neutral, but generally speaking the overall response is never a hivemind.

How is "I would like this character, but I arbitrarily don't because Nintendo didn't use them in two games" positive?

 

[Deleted member]

I'd be ok with this. It's a hard decision honestly. I think Robin is the main focus of the story in Awakening, but Chrom is the main lord of the game. I prefer Robin, but Chrom isn't a bad choice at all.

Watch us get Chrom, and Robin is part of his Final Smash.


I thought Mario was going to have at least five characters in Brawl and I'm still shocked that it didn't.

I would actually be okay with this. Someone suggested Chrom's final smash resemble the boxart of Awakening, which would actually be a pretty cool final smash.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Fire Emblem is bigger than Starfox, and people have been wanting (and almost have) four Starfox characters since ever.
At least, it is now.

Fire Emblem has been around since the NES. I think it warranted three characters in Brawl.

Personally, I'm more interested in the prospect of having one Golden Sun character (read: Isaac) than the prospect of having 4 FE characters via DLC.