Character Discussion Thread

[domokl]

Based on things that Sakurai has said in the Smash Roundtable and at last year's E3, it's almost obvious that Mewtwo will be DLC for the game. During the Roundtable a fan asked how did Greninja get in the game with literally no info on the character until so late in development and Sakurai said that all the characters on the roster were picked years ago.

Now of course I'm paraphrasing what he said but the most interesting thing he said came after that as later on he said that they are still considering other characters. That's an odd thing to say as the roster was picked years ago so that screams DLC. Now the interesting thing is what happened back at E3 2013. During the Pokemon X & Y roundtable last year we all remember one fan asking the Gamefreak devs if Mewtwo was gonna be in Smash. Of course Sakurai was there and yelled out that they were "considering" him.

I could be over thinking this but that leads me to believe that Mewtwo will probably be the first DLC character we get as Sakurai didn't know about Mewtwo's new form until after the initial roster was already completed. The interesting thing now is who the other DLC characters will be.

Sakurai definetly knew about the new forms if he knew about greninja. This is even more apparent with mega luc and mega zard

 

[Deleted member]

Thats going to happen regardless. unless sakurai brings back all the fancy techs

Sad but true. It's a shame that some "fans" might not even support Sm4sh at all.

 

[Muster]

Thats going to happen regardless. unless sakurai brings back any way to effectively approach whatsoever

fix'd
Besides, some people won't even be leaving melee in the first place
(I'm personally gonna get and support smash anyway because )

My wants are Bandana Dee, Black Shadow, Sceptile, Chibi-Robo and Krystal.

No offense, but i find it saddening that even wish rosters have cut characters.

wait, what? please explain.

Lucas is the only one with a Mother game that not only made it to america, but got recently rereleased on the virtual console.
owait

 

[Cobalsh]

So, with Capcom up for sale, and if Nintendo buys them, that means that Nintendo not only owns Mega Man, but also Street Fighter, Devil May Cry, Viewtiful Joe, Okami, Resident Evil, etc. So, what would that mean for future Smash games? Will Capcom get more reps as a second party? Will Zero be a playable character in Smash 5 shutupabout3DS, and will Capcom get more content in Smash, if only trophies and stickers?


Thoughts?

 

[Muster]

So, with Capcom up for sale, and if Nintendo buys them, that means that Nintendo not only owns Mega Man, but also Street Fighter, Devil May Cry, Viewtiful Joe, Okami, Resident Evil, etc. So, what would that mean for future Smash games? Will Capcom get more reps as a second party? Will Zero be a playable character in Smash 5 shutupabout3DS, and will Capcom get more content in Smash, if only trophies and stickers?


Thoughts?

Capcom technically isn't up for sale, they have just decided not to renew countermeasures to hostile takeover as a result of large scale purchase of the company.
(so basically it's easier to buy them out then it was a week ago, but it's still gonna be hella expensive, and capcom will still take steps to protect the company if they get bought out.)


Something that i haven't noticed in any rosters set up in this thread, How will you access possible DLC? Will there be a dlc slot on the css or something else?

 

[Leafeon523]

So, with Capcom up for sale,

WHAT??? Is Capcom bankrupt??? Why are they for sale?
Edit:

 

[Deleted member]

Something that i haven't noticed in any rosters set up in this thread, How will you access possible DLC? Will there be a dlc slot on the css or something else?

I'm more concerned about how it will work. Is it possible to buy something on the Wii U, but have it also downloaded to the 3DS? I don't want to have to buy things twice.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Let's talk about modern Smash games instead of future ones.

 

[Starcutter]

So, with Capcom up for sale, and if Nintendo buys them, that means that Nintendo not only owns Mega Man, but also Street Fighter, Devil May Cry, Viewtiful Joe, Okami, Resident Evil, etc. So, what would that mean for future Smash games? Will Capcom get more reps as a second party? Will Zero be a playable character in Smash 5 shutupabout3DS, and will Capcom get more content in Smash, if only trophies and stickers?


Thoughts?

If nintendo gets capcom I can see characters with games mostly on nintendo getting characters.

For example: Phoenix wright, Amaterasu and Viewtiful Joe would work, Dante and Jill would not.

Let's talk about modern Smash games instead of future ones.

well, the same goes for DLC

 

[Leafeon523]

Let's talk about modern Smash games instead of future ones.

Well smash 4 is technically a future smash game, so let's be modern... how likely do you think Ness is to return in brawl?

 

[Knight Dude]

So, with Capcom up for sale, and if Nintendo buys them, that means that Nintendo not only owns Mega Man, but also Street Fighter, Devil May Cry, Viewtiful Joe, Okami, Resident Evil, etc. So, what would that mean for future Smash games? Will Capcom get more reps as a second party? Will Zero be a playable character in Smash 5 shutupabout3DS, and will Capcom get more content in Smash, if only trophies and stickers?


Thoughts?

IF(and that's kind of a big if)Nintendo owned all of Capcom, there's a chance that future installments of Smash Bros will include these characters. Though they might stick to the ones that had a pre-established connection with Nintendo beforehand. Megaman is kind of obvious, but Zero, Another Mega Man, Phoenix Wright, and other characters could have a better shot of being added into Smash.

Though of course this is only speculating anyway.

Back to Smash 4 news, anyone a bit dissapointed that Sheik doesn't have a Final Smash of her own? It's not a big deal though. But I'm not too sure what you could without being too similar to another character. Because the only other thing I can see her do for a Final Smash would be similar to Greninja.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Well smash 4 is technically a future smash game, so let's be modern... how likely do you think Ness is to return in brawl?

You're lucky I can't reach through your computer and slap you.

...allow me to reiterate. Smash 4. Not future games.

 

[Gunla]

...allow me to reiterate. Smash 4. Not future games.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

To reiterate, it's likely that any sort of purchase Nintendo makes regarding Capcom will not affect DLC unless demand is absolute and overwhelming for Super Smash Bros for 3DS and Wii U. Also noting, this thread is for 4, not 5 (or whatever the next game will be called) so keep discussion related to that, please.

 

[GunGunW]

So, with Capcom up for sale, and if Nintendo buys them, that means that Nintendo not only owns Mega Man, but also Street Fighter, Devil May Cry, Viewtiful Joe, Okami, Resident Evil, etc. So, what would that mean for future Smash games? Will Capcom get more reps as a second party? Will Zero be a playable character in Smash 5 shutupabout3DS, and will Capcom get more content in Smash, if only trophies and stickers?


Thoughts?

Hypothetically I would think every series would get their own reps, though I think they would be introduced slowly. Mega Man and Street Fighter would be the mostly likely, and maaaaaybe Resident Evil < though probably not :'( >. I would think Ryu would be absolutely confirmed for Smash 4 then, and maybe Chun-Li, Akuma, Bison, etc. and Zero would also be highly likely... and maybe Leon just because he's a fan favorite.

Who knows... maybe Ryu is in Smash 4 and hasn't been revealed yet?

 

[Starcutter]

I couldn't have said it better myself.

To reiterate, it's likely that any sort of purchase Nintendo makes regarding Capcom will not affect DLC unless demand is absolute and overwhelming for Super Smash Bros for 3DS and Wii U. Also noting, this thread is for 4, not 5 (or whatever the next game will be called) so keep discussion related to that, please.

I think that there could be a Capcom DLC pack for this game if capcom was bought. but only if DLC is a thing. and they havn't decided it yet.

pretty much there's a LOT of variables that need to be hit right. but it's possible.


(yes I'm talking about smash 4)

 

[FlareHabanero]

Who knows... maybe Ryu is in Smash 4 and hasn't been revealed yet?

We already have Ryu, his name is Mario.

 

[BluePikmin11]

wait, what? please explain.

Mother 3 has seen better critical acclaim than Earthbound, even though it didn't do so hot in Japan.

Olimar is the main character of the Pikmin series as a whole; Marth isn't the main character of Fire Emblem overall.

It was more of that Marth, Olimar, and Ness are the big icons to their franchises.

So, with Capcom up for sale, and if Nintendo buys them, that means that Nintendo not only owns Mega Man, but also Street Fighter, Devil May Cry, Viewtiful Joe, Okami, Resident Evil, etc. So, what would that mean for future Smash games? Will Capcom get more reps as a second party? Will Zero be a playable character in Smash 5 shutupabout3DS, and will Capcom get more content in Smash, if only trophies and stickers?


Thoughts?

I just hope Capcom doesn't get bought by Microsoft and Sony, that would be a big middle finger to the Mario vs. Sonic vs. Megaman vs. Pac-Man. I do not want that to happen.

 

[GunGunW]

We already have Ryu, his name is Mario.

I hear that comparison a lot, but I really don't agree with it.

Mother 3 has seen better critical acclaim than Earthbound, even though it didn't do so hot in Japan.


It was more of that Marth, Olimar, and Ness are the big icons to their franchises.

Okay, that's something I can agree with.

 

[Starcutter]

Mother 3 has seen better critical acclaim than Earthbound, even though it didn't do so hot in Japan.

wha....?


BUT IT DIDN'T EVEN COME OUT HERE!

 

[Tr1pleDee]

I just hope Capcom doesn't get bought by Microsoft and Sony, that would be a big middle finger to the Mario vs. Sonic vs. Megaman vs. Pac-Man. I do not want that to happen.

Could you imagine if Microsoft bought Capcom, and then made some "Xbox All-Stars" game with Banjo, Conker, Mega Man, and other various Capcom characters that we Nintendo fans love?

that would be the most painful slap in the face ever experienced

 

[BluePikmin11]

Just because it didn't release outside of Japan doesn't mean Mother 3 automatically has no merit, it does have lots in terms of the game itself, like I said before.

 

[Starcutter]

Just because it didn't release outside of Japan doesn't mean Mother 3 automatically has no merit, it does have lots in terms of the game itself, like I said before.

but isn't lucas having more merit than ness stretching it?

 

[SureNsync]

Eh, Nintendo buying out the majority of Capcom might not be such a great thing. I really don't want Street Fighter characters in Smash. With the biggest Capcom IP's represented in Smash, It wouldn't be Smash anymore. They would dominate the series. I pray Nintendo just buy Mega Man and call it a day.

 

[Gunla]

but isn't lucas having more merit than ness stretching it?

At Brawl's time, we didn't have an Earthbound rerelease.
Lucas may have more merit then, but now, Ness has returned to the Nintendo Spotlight.

This is likely why it's possibly that Ness has the edge (ignoring the whole 12 Originals Must Stay theorem) in debates for Ness or Lucas. But they could easily pull either a Brawl and have both, or use DLC.

 

[Starcutter]

Eh, Nintendo buying out the majority of Capcom might not be such a great thing. I really don't want Street Fighter characters in Smash. With the biggest Capcom IP's represented in Smash, It wouldn't be Smash anymore. They would dominate the series. I pray Nintendo just buy Mega Man and call it a day.

B-but.... My objections....

 

[Espio264]

I've done a lot of serious thinking, and I've come to the conclusion that Mewtwo is my spirit animal.

I'm tall, pale and lanky.

I appear to be perpetually pissed off, even when happy.

I have a sinister laugh.

I was one of the unsung heroes of a much celebrated generation.

I was largely forgotten, but wrought outrage once the people found out I wasn't going to be included for the next outing.

One day I'll come back with a vengeance and knock you all on your asses.

Plus there's that tube that extends from the back of my head down to my back...

 

[Starcutter]

I've done a lot of serious thinking, and I've come to the conclusion that Mewtwo is my spirit animal.

I'm tall, pale and lanky.

I appear to be perpetually pissed off, even when happy.

I have a sinister laugh.

I was one of the unsung heroes of a much celebrated generation.

I was largely forgotten, but wrought outrage once the people found out I wasn't going to be included for the next outing.

One day I'll come back with a vengeance and knock you all on your *****.

Plus there's that tube that extends from the back of my head down to my back...

I'm pretty sure you are mewtwo

 

[Niala]

I'm more concerned about how it will work. Is it possible to buy something on the Wii U, but have it also downloaded to the 3DS? I don't want to have to buy things twice.

You're willing to buy the game twice but not DLC for each?

To more appropriately answer your question, Sakurai is already talking about being able to port custom movesets between the 3DS and WiiU versions, so I suspect if we do have DLC it could work in a similar fashion, where you're only able to port the DLC from one 3DS to one WiiU console (as to avoid having one person buy the DLC and port it to all of their friends systems.)

We already have Ryu, his name is Mario.

Maryu?

 

[GunGunW]

They should make it so if you buy the DLC characters for one version, it's compatible with both versions.

 

[Oz37]

It's been mentioned before, but... shared Nintendo Network ID. They've made it so you should have the same account across both your Wii U and 3DS, so if you buy DLC for one it'll also apply to the other. That way, it's locked to your account.

 

[aldelaro5]

Sorry to change the topic so brutally but there's an issue I had with brawl that I may talk about it soon.

See, if you want to know in details, just tell me because if I do it, it would a big post and I just want to be sure that it would be worth. To summarize it has to do with SSE in brawl. It's common knowledge that it took so much time that mewtwo and roy which was close to get in got cut due to time constraints. But i had a personal theory that it affected in a very bad way how repping was done. I saw some issues that seems odd and it seems to have to do with SSE.

Just want to know will you be interested to hear my thoughts on this personal theory? It will be a long read (an essay for sure) but if you are interested, it would be enjoyable.

 

[jweb22]

Sorry to change the topic so brutally but there's an issue I had with brawl that I may talk about it soon.

See, if you want to know in details, just tell me because if I do it, it would a big post and I just want to be sure that it would be worth. To summarize it has to do with SSE in brawl. It's common knowledge that it took so much time that mewtwo and roy which was close to get in got cut due to time constraints. But i had a personal theory that it affected in a very bad way how repping was done. I saw some issues that seems odd and it seems to have to do with SSE.

Just want to know will you be interested to hear my thoughts on this personal theory? It will be a long read (an essay for sure) but if you are interested, it would be enjoyable.

I'd like to read it as it would be better than many of the constantly repeated topics seen on this thread.

 

[Will]

I'm back,*******!

Sorry to change the topic so brutally but there's an issue I had with brawl that I may talk about it soon.

See, if you want to know in details, just tell me because if I do it, it would a big post and I just want to be sure that it would be worth. To summarize it has to do with SSE in brawl. It's common knowledge that it took so much time that mewtwo and roy which was close to get in got cut due to time constraints. But i had a personal theory that it affected in a very bad way how repping was done. I saw some issues that seems odd and it seems to have to do with SSE.

Just want to know will you be interested to hear my thoughts on this personal theory? It will be a long read (an essay for sure) but if you are interested, it would be enjoyable.

I enjoy a fine theory. Type On! See you when you're done. I'm guessing it might take atleast 7 minutes to type it all.

 

[aldelaro5]

Ok, I may do it tonight but if not, it will be tomorrow. I just may be too tired tonight but it should be fine tomorrow.

 

[MagnesD3]

Another ultimate prediction roster 51 characters, 3 cuts (squirtle, ivysaur, lucas), 8 dlc characters.

 

[TheUnsullied]

Do you guys really want DLC characters that bad? I mean.. I wouldn't mind DLC stages or costumes or even a balance patch here or there but I just feel like DLC characters would ruin the appeal of smash bros being a once-in-a-generation game.

 

[Will]

Another ultimate prediction roster 51 characters, 3 cuts (squirtle, ivysaur, lucas), 8 dlc characters.

Hmm,okay....

Positives :

1.Good picks
2.Seems reasonable

Negatives :

1.51 seems a bit too much,but who knows what'll pop up.
2.Ridley? Really? None of you are letting it go?
3.I want him,but Snake is more likely going out.

Wow. 49. I'm speechless. That may be the actual roster count.

 

[MagnesD3]

Do you guys really want DLC characters that bad? I mean.. I wouldn't mind DLC stages or costumes or even a balance patch here or there but I just feel like DLC characters would ruin the appeal of smash bros being a once-in-a-generation game.

Dlc sells.

Hmm,okay....

Positives :

1.Good picks
2.Seems reasonable

Negatives :

1.51 seems a bit too much,but who knows what'll pop up.
2.Ridley? Really? None of you are letting it go?
3.I want him,but Snake is more likely going out.

Wow. 49. I'm speechless. That may be the actual roster count.

For the negatives I personally wouldnt be surprised if the roster is anything from 49-54. 51 seems just right. For ridley his position is very ambiguous I think he is a blatant shoe in that sakurai is teasing around. As for snake being cut, It really dosnt make sense that he would go unless to make room since he is very iconic and unique.

 

[Will]

Well,think of DLC online. Some people who have no idea what DLC is might just go bonkers.

"OHMIGOD DUDEDUDEDUDEDUDE THIS GUY HACKED LUCAS INTO THE GAME. MUST. FIND. HAAAAAACK."

or

"OHMIGOD DUDEDUDEDUDEDUDE THIS GUY UNLOCKED LUCAS. HOW?! TELL ME PLS!!!1!!1"

 

[jweb22]

Do you guys really want DLC characters that bad? I mean.. I wouldn't mind DLC stages or costumes or even a balance patch here or there but I just feel like DLC characters would ruin the appeal of smash bros being a once-in-a-generation game.

The appeal of Smash Bros is NOT being a "once-in-a-generation game" its true appeal is being able to play as your favorite Nintendo characters and fighting them against the many others. As we all know there are many fan favorites that won't be on the final roster such as the character in my avatar. Now my fingers are crossed that Isaac or some other Golden Sun rep becomes playable but his chances appear to be rather slim without DLC.

If there is DLC (and I believe there will be) then I find it very hard for Sakurai to still not include a playable Golden Sun rep.