Character Discussion Thread

[UltimateWario]

What Im expecting to see from the roster

'Taint no Retro, m'friend.

Ditch Krystal and/or Roy for some'o them old folks.

I also doubt that we'd get Roy back before an Awakening rep.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I wonder how many stages are hinting at new characters. So far we've got the Galaxy stage for Rosalina and the boxing ring for Little Mac. Other potential stages that can go along with a newcomer are Pyrosphere for Ridley, Palutena's Temple for Palutena, Arena Ferox for Chrom, and Pilotwings/Find Mii for Mii.

 

[Kenith]

I don't know what you're talking about, plastic movie prop Bowser was the sexiest Bowser ever conceived. Personally speaking, I'm probably in the minority that loved how Bowser was in Brawl, feral and menacing. He looks great in 4, I just hope he still has that roar...

I'm not a fan of the Movie Monster sounds, actually. I hope he has his Galaxy voice to suit his new look.

As if Smash 4 couldn't get more homoerotic. GHIRAHIM THRUSTS IN!

"Ghirahim Plunges Into Battle!"

 

[NickerBocker]

Okay heres my new roster:

Changes:

• Trying a new design, with the main characters in the center and it builds outward. Retros/Mii have a row, so do the third parties.
• Updated images
• Put PKMN Trainer back in for Charizard.
• Vaati as the Zelda Newcomer
  
• Diddy Kong for Diddy/Dixie combo, although i do consider the latter possible

What do you all think? Feel free to comment

 

[UltimateWario]

What do you all think? Feel free to comment

I'd have a beer with this roster.

Though I don't particularly support Vaati (nor do I find him even remotely likely), he would be cool to play. Solid choices all around.

10/10. Can't find a gripe, like, at all. OOH, NEVERMIND, it has Shulk instead of Isaac. Would prefer Isaac, but it wouldn't be a huge loss.

So like, I dunno. 9.7? Still the best damn roster I've seen.

 

[Sehnsucht]

"Ghirahim Plunges Into Battle!"

"Ghirahim ****ing sashays into the room!"

Tell me, what other Zelda Newcomer would be this much fun?

 

[MagnesD3]

'Taint no Retro, m'friend.

Ditch Krystal and/or Roy for some'o them old folks.

I also doubt that we'd get Roy back before an Awakening rep.

I will never ditch Krystal!

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So....

Here's an interesting question for you all.

Why do you think Little Mac was picked?

 

[Kenith]

Okay heres my new roster:
What do you all think? Feel free to comment

Impressive. Any roster that includes Mii or Pacman without the other gets my praise.
I have much doubt for Vaati as he has the same issue as Isaac.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I'm not a fan of the Movie Monster sounds, actually. I hope he has his Galaxy voice to suit his new look.

Wouldn't a nice compromise of slightly more cartoonish sounding, yet still menacing roars work?

I guess the main reason I liked him in Brawl is because it reminded me of how he was back before he became a joke of a villain. He was actually pretty damned menacing in Super Mario World, and back with even the original SMB, I had the imagination to fill in the blanks and make him more threatening than he was.

Hell, he wasn't much of a joke in Super Mario 64 either, that damned laugh...

Might as well post this too since I finished it:

My conversion to Morbid Mactruism was just in time, I'm actually growing fond of him after seeing him in action. Makes me feel better about Chrom too actually.

Gonna stick to my guns on Miis though, all the way to the bitter end.

 

[MagnesD3]

So....

Here's an interesting question for you all.

Why do you think Little Mac was picked?

The same reason Lucario was picked.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

The same reason Lucario was picked.

Which was?

 

[Sehnsucht]

The same reason Lucario was picked.

Corruption in the upper echelons of Nintendo?

 

[UltimateWario]

So....

Here's an interesting question for you all.

Why do you think Little Mac was picked?

Personally?

Western demand. He's a fairly big deal within Nintendo's lore, though not much of one outside, as many people will likely just remember him as "that guy from that game I played when I was little", if at all. I think he was put in to please the fans, not to satisfy any sort of Punch Out!! "deservingness" quota, though I do think Punch Out!! deserves to be represented.

Sakurai is well aware of what us Westerners want, and likely realizes that we are the bigger demographic. While we won't be catered to over the Japanese fanbase, I do think that there is a limit to which the Japanese fanbase can influence the game against the wills of this one.

"Ghirahim ****ing sashays into the room!"

Tell me, what other Zelda Newcomer would be this much fun?

Ze Groosenator.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Personally?

Demand.

More specifically, western demand.

Basically I'm trying to say that western demand is a thing.

So, do you think that characters with mainly western fanbases (such as Ridley or Isaac) have more of a chance now?

 

[MagnesD3]

Which was?

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[Lasifer]

More specifically, western demand.

Basically I'm trying to say that western demand is a thing.

So, do you think that characters with mainly western fanbases (such as Ridley or Isaac) have more of a chance now?

I don't think their chances have changed, nothing more but nothing less. I've always taken western demand into account, and now we know Sakurai (probably) does.

 

[?????????????]

When Sakurai introduced Wii Fit Trainer, didn't he say he had received character requests from "all over the world"? I think he's taking global demands seriously.

 

[Kenith]

Wouldn't a nice compromise of slightly more cartoonish sounding, yet still menacing roars work?

I guess the main reason I liked him in Brawl is because it reminded me of how he was back before he became a joke of a villain. He was actually pretty damned menacing in Super Mario World, and back with even the original SMB, I had the imagination to fill in the blanks and make him more threatening than he was.
Hell, he wasn't much of a joke in Super Mario 64 either, that damned laugh...

Actually, he was very awesome and menacing in Super Mario Galaxy, at least the first one. I think using that voice with a more serious tone is perfect.

Also, your roster's good.

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Dammit! They removed it too fast for me to say "gif removed"!

 

[BKupa666]

So....

Here's an interesting question for you all.

Why do you think Little Mac was picked?

I honestly find myself agreeing with S. Jones' post about Mac potentially being one of, if not the retro character of the game. Sure, he looks like his Wii version, since it's his sharpest model and isn't uncanny valley-esque like a few of the older ones, but his power-up mechanic seems to be taken more from Super Punch-Out!!, and there's that arcade machine as well. Then, there's always that, while Punch Out!! Wii does exist, Mac is definitely most famous for his retro appearances, like Mega Man.

Otherwise, I think his fan demand put him on Sakurai's radar, if he wasn't there already due to his AT appearance; Sakurai then put him in the game after seeing potential in the guy.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I don't know about Isaac, but Ridley definitely. I just have this feeling that Isaac would be a...strange choice. I'd like to see him, but I just for some reason don't think he's getting in.

 

[MagnesD3]

Actually, he was very awesome and menacing in Super Mario Galaxy, at least the first one. I think using that voice with a more serious tone is perfect.

Also, your roster's good.



Dammit! They removed it too fast for me to say "gif removed"!

Yeah whats up with that, it used to not be a problem..

 

[UltimateWario]

I don't know about Isaac, but Ridley definitely. I just have this feeling that Isaac would be a...strange choice. I'd like to see him, but I just for some reason don't think he's getting in.

Much as I love my Golden Boy...

I know the Backroom will handle him better than Sakurai likely would, at least in the eyes of a competitive game. I'd like to let him stay in Project M while getting more "big" (lol) characters in Smash 4.

Please don't hit me, Golden Sun fans, I still love the series.

 

[Lasifer]

I don't know about Isaac, but Ridley definitely. I just have this feeling that Isaac would be a...strange choice. I'd like to see him, but I just for some reason don't think he's getting in.

I have a friend who will buy a 3DS JUST for Isaac in Smash. Golden Sun is a great series that deserves a rep in Smash, and a new game on the 3DS.

 

[NickerBocker]

Punch-Out!! is a serious powerhouse of a game. A LOT of people have heard about it, and it holds nostalgia for a lot of NES players. We don't have a boxer, so thats a plus.

Mac was probably picked for demand, he does have a lot of popularity, here in the west and in the east. Also, his AT status in Brawl probably had Sakurai, at the very least, consider him as playable.

 

[?????????????]

Golden Sun is a great series that deserves a rep in Smash, and a new game on the 3DS.

They did that.

Never mind. I'm dumb.

 

[Kenith]

Yeah whats up with that, it used to not be a problem..

They're afraid it will derail the thread, apparently. Though I'd rather not discuss it here.

I honestly find myself agreeing with S. Jones' post about Mac potentially being one of, if not the retro character of the game. Sure, he looks like his Wii version, since it's his sharpest model and isn't uncanny valley-esque like a few of the older ones, but his power-up mechanic seems to be taken more from Super Punch-Out!!, and there's that arcade machine as well. Then, there's always that, while Punch Out!! Wii does exist, Mac is definitely most famous for his retro appearances, like Mega Man.

Otherwise, I think his fan demand put him on Sakurai's radar, if he wasn't there already due to his AT appearance; Sakurai then put him in the game after seeing potential in the guy.

I never looked at it that way. Takamaru's chances lowered, then?

Much as I love my Golden Boy...
I know the Backroom will handle him better than Sakurai likely would, at least in the eyes of a competitive game. I'd like to let him stay in Project M while getting more "big" (lol) characters in Smash 4.

I honestly think Isaac is a great choice that won't get considered because all his games are handheld.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I feel that Little Mac's reveal helps Ridley's chances. I mean Sakurai trolled us into thinking the Punch-Out stage was just a normal Smash stage, so who's to say he's not trolling us into thinking Ridley's a stage hazard when he's actually playable?

 

[UltimateWario]

I feel that Little Mac's reveal helps Ridley's chances. I mean Sakurai trolled us into thinking the Punch-Out stage was just a normal Smash stage, so who's to say he's not trolling us into thinking Ridley's a stage hazard when he's actually playable?

This is my thinking, exactly.

I never would've thought in a million years that Little Mac, of all characters, would help Ridley's chances so much.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I honestly find myself agreeing with S. Jones' post about Mac potentially being one of, if not the retro character of the game. Sure, he looks like his Wii version, since it's his sharpest model and isn't uncanny valley-esque like a few of the older ones, but his power-up mechanic seems to be taken more from Super Punch-Out!!, and there's that arcade machine as well. Then, there's always that, while Punch Out!! Wii does exist, Mac is definitely most famous for his retro appearances, like Mega Man.

Otherwise, I think his fan demand put him on Sakurai's radar, if he wasn't there already due to his AT appearance; Sakurai then put him in the game after seeing potential in the guy.

Well of course he's taking inspiration from his older games, it's just the same as Mario still using his cape from Super Mario World, or how Peach can float despite the fact that she hadn't done it in years by the time Melee came out, or even how Toon Link has a colour swap referencing the older style of Link.

He just really isn't retro anymore because of his Wii game, if everyone considers Pit not a retro anymore, how is Mac not in the same situation? Besides, Sakurai said that he picks retros because he likes to revive them, while Little Mac has no need for that at all. We can still fully expect an actual retro, probably Takamaru.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I would just like to say that people are underestimating Shulk. Now that Xenoblade has that puzzle thingy, and was brought up directly by Iwata, I think it's fair to say that X is a big game for Nintendo. Because there isn't an actual protagonist to X, Shulk would be a great character to add for several reasons.

However Shulk shouldn't stop Isaac. Isaac shouldn't stop Shulk. I don't hate Isaac either. I'm just doubting his inclusion.

 

[MagnesD3]

I would just like to say that people are underestimating Shulk. Now tha Xenoblade has that puzzle thingy, and was brought up directly by Iwata, I think it's fair to say that X is a big game for them. Because there isn't an actual protagonist to X, Shulk would be a great character to add for several reasons.

However Shulk shouldn't stop Isaac. Isaac shouldn't stop Shulk. I don't hate Isaac either. I'm just doubting his inclusion.

What about Saki, the most interesting of the blonde trio.

 

[Sehnsucht]

I would just like to say that people are underestimating Shulk. Now tha Xenoblade has that puzzle thingy, and was brought up directly by Iwata, I think it's fair to say that X is a big game for them. Because there isn't an actual protagonist to X, Shulk would be a great character to add for several reasons.

However Shulk shouldn't stop Isaac. Isaac shouldn't stop Shulk. I don't hate Isaac either. I'm just doubting his inclusion.

Shulk-Isaac tag-team, anyone?

 

[Lasifer]

I honestly think Isaac is a great choice that won't get considered because all his games are handheld.

Lucas is from a handheld-only game, and so is G&W. Plus, Nintendo's handhelds are still crazy popular, I don't think the system his series is on would affect his chances at all.

 

[Kenith]

I feel that Little Mac's reveal helps Ridley's chances. I mean Sakurai trolled us into thinking the Punch-Out stage was just a normal Smash stage, so who's to say he's not trolling us into thinking Ridley's a stage hazard when he's actually playable?

I have been waiting for someone to mention this. I am completely on board with this line of thinking.
However, let's not let that logic dictate all our conclusions like it usually would.

 

[Starbound]

Shulk-Isaac tag-team, anyone?

Not before a Doc Louis and Wii Fit Trainer tag team.

I'd personally put Shulk at the likeliest of the blonde hair trio due to his Japanese popularity.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Not before a Doc Louis and Wii Fit Trainer tag team.

I'd personally put Shulk at the likeliest of the blonde hair trio due to his Japanese popularity.

Chocolate and Vanilla for SSB4.

One day, I'll have to play Xenoblade. It sounds all kinds of gewd.

 

[Starphoenix]

Apparently Little Mac was a big deal after all: he's trending on Facebook right now.

Looking at some of his gameplay, he definitely is the Dudley x Balrog fighter I wanted him to be if he were playable. Crazy how Sakurai took a character I did not want and made me like him.

 

[Kenith]

Lucas is from a handheld-only game, and so is G&W. Plus, Nintendo's handhelds are still crazy popular, I don't think the system his series is on would affect his chances at all.

Yes, but Mother 3 was intended to be released on the SNES and the 64, and Sakurai wanted to include him since Melee, but could not.
So he is an exception. And Mr. Game & Watch is a retro character, and he represents an entire console rather than a game.

Except for Lucas, Handheld characters don't get in.

 

[BKupa666]

Well of course he's taking inspiration from his older games, it's just the same as Mario still using his cape from Super Mario World, or how Peach can float despite the fact that she hadn't done it in years by the time Melee came out, or even how Toon Link has a colour swap referencing the older style of Link.

He just really isn't retro anymore because of his Wii game, if everyone considers Pit not a retro anymore, how is Mac not in the same situation? Besides, Sakurai said that he picks retros because he likes to revive them, while Little Mac has no need for that at all. We can still fully expect an actual retro, probably Takamaru.

I can understand the argument that he's not a true retro as we define 'retro' because he got a one-off modern reboot. Still, hypothetically, if Pit weren't added in Brawl, yet still got revived in Uprising and was a newcomer in SSB4, I'd consider him to be in pretty much the same position. Those with a stricter view on what constitutes 'retro' won't agree with that, and that's okay.

I think Takamaru has as solid a chance now as he ever did. Nothing about Mac affects him in any way as far as I can tell.