Character Discussion Thread

[N3ON]

First off,it's how I would play it. I still considered Samus and ZSS the same character. Secondly,the pyrosphere hurts Ridley's chances a little bit. By this point,it's Ridley,Weavel,Sylux,or Dark Samus.

I wasn't aware having a character's chances be hurt a little bit out-prioritized "need". If you need something you need something. I still don't see why SF "needs" three reps.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Hence why I think Chrom is a really piss poor chore, if his only merit is a fragile one trick pony.

Outside of that, he's probably the most lackluster choice you can pick, almost on par with Dark Pit and Keeby. Hence why I am always putting into question why people support the bloody thing. It just boggles the mind. I don't simply say "pick Marth or Ike instead" for no reason, I am being genuine that you're going to get the same results.

Lucas and Ganondorf were semi-clones. BUT, CHROM!? OOOOOOH NO! HE'S TOO UNIQUE FOR THAT!

 

[Shorts]

Okay, cool. I ask because I was fairly certain characters like Little Mac and Ridley are favored in the West, while two characters I like a lot, Ghirahim and Lucina, are more popular overseas, and I wanted to verify that.

If you want a Japanese speaker for that poll, just ask Egoraptor!

I don't want a speaker, moreso a spreader. I've had a japanese poll ready for a long while.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I wasn't aware having a character's chances be hurt a little bit out-prioritized "need". If you need something you need something. I still don't see why SF "needs" three reps.

F-Zero is the only franchise imo that actually "needs" more reps.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Well,you see my friend,I didn't want to make a very long message. But I'll be glad to answer them.

1.I don't really think Shiek has a high chance. With that new Zelda Darknut thing and the fact that Sheik only appeared in one game canon to Zelda (excluding 3D/Master Quest)

2.Pyrosphere crisis. I personally think it lowers Ridley's chance in a somewhat big way. I would give him a 40% - 30% chance

3.I wanted to type Wolf,but my laziness took over me,I think Wolf Stays

4.Not YET.

5.I want Greninja to represent the 6th gen. Zoraurk for the 5th if Greninja isn't involved. Or Blaziken fo the 3rd gen if None of them make it.

6.I agree with the assist,and I personally think Waluigi would have a higher chance than Mona. Also,IT'S WALUIGI.

7.I was going to put something else for DK Reps,I wanted Kiddy Kong from DK Land and DKC3. I just like him.

1. The Phantom Knight thing does remain rather mysterious. Thought Sheik represents a unique play style in Smash (fast ninja-esque character), so cutting her out would be unfortunate.

2. The stage argument could be swayed in Ridley's favour, if we consider current trends. Mac's stage was (technically) shown back at E3, and he himself was confirmed eight months later. Gateway Galaxy was hinted at months before Rosalina's reveal, and we got a Palutena-themed Ki stage in recent times.

There's also that if Ridley is a stage hazard, the fact that he hasn't been shown after so long is rather suspicious. And as Little Mac shows, your playable status in past games (Assist Trophy, Boss) is not necessarily a factor against inclusion. As time goes on, I find Ridley's chances to increase.

In the end, though, I think we can agree that if any Metroid character deserves to make it into Smash after Samus(/ZSS), it would be Ridley.

3. Ah, I see. If Krystal is to get in, though, I'd prefer that it doesn't come with the cost of Wolf (or Falco).

4. Fair enough. I find the Kirby series to have all the essential characters, though if we were to get a fourth Kirby character, Bandana Dee would be the first in line.

5. These would all fit in well in a fighting game. Though with the rumoured Pokken Fighters game, if they don't make Smash, they might well make it there.

6. I'm a fan of Waluigi, so I'd totally play him all the time if he were to make it in.

7. Kiddy would be a less expected choice. Having a Kiddy-Dixie duo could be interesting, as a callback to DKC3.

Thanks for your response, kind and affable sir.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Donkey Kong Jr should be considered more. Sakurai did say he's looking to bring back more "older" characters.

 

[N3ON]

Funny you say that. Zero Suit Samus is in partly because Sakurai wanted a 2nd Metroid character.

Uh, great. Wasn't questioning Sakurai's logic though, only Origami's Arigarmy's.

F-Zero is the only franchise imo that actually "needs" more reps.

It'd be nice, but no it doesn't. It's never been a major Nintendo franchise and hasn't even seen a title for a decade, nor were the majority of its existing titles even that overly successful commercially. People just think it's bigger than it is because of Smash.

Donkey Kong Jr should be considered more. Sakurai did say he's looking to bring back more "older" characters.

Until DK Jr. becomes the only older character, it's safe to keep expectations where they are.

 

[Joe D.]

F-Zero is the only franchise imo that actually "needs" more reps.

Really, does any franchise truly, "need," reps? I mean, shouldn't it be more based on character traits and adaptation to Smash's play style? I don't see any reason why any franchise deserves more reps than another, as long as that other franchise includes a character that would be an enjoyable fighter in the game.

 

[MagnesD3]

I think the reign of randoms is over. I think the majority of the next characters revealed will be characters we've more or less been waiting for. Miis, Pac-Man, Palutena, ect.

And Krystal at e3 with a brand new starfox game!!!!!!

 

[Kenith]

I don't want a speaker, moreso a spreader. I've had a japanese poll ready for a long while.

I know, it was just a terrible joke.

F-Zero is the only franchise imo that actually "needs" more reps.

Why do small series "need" reps based on the number of characters?
We should be basing our logic on the characters themselves rather than their series.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I never found that another F-Zero character was highly needed because of the lack of strong choices. Captain Falcon alone does a lot for the series to begin with.

 

[Opossum]

I honestly don't think F-Zero "needs" more characters, other than Falcon's return. And this is coming from a Goroh supporter. Heck, it's coming from the guy who made the Goroh thread!

 

[JamesDNaux]

Waluigi isn't a Wario character. He's a Mario character. Sakurai has always listed him as such.

Honestly, as unlikely as Waluigi is anyway, if he did get in, Sakurai has always been so fickle with his decisions that I could see him classifying Waluigi as a Wario character just because. I mean, this is the guy that said Villager couldn't fight and then decided to make him the first shown newcomer of the next game.

I wouldn't be surprised if he originally intended Yoshi to just be a Mario character and then just decided to slap his own symbol on him.

 

[Will]

Here Would be my Roster,That was just a simple plot,Newcomers in Bold

Mario : Mario,Luigi,Peach,Bowser,Rosalina
Zelda : Link,Zelda,Original Ganon,Toon Link
Kirby : Kirby,King DeDeDe,Bandana Waddle Dee
Metroid : Samus,Zero Suit Samus,Weavel/Sylux
Star Fox : Fox,Falco,Krystal,Wolf
DK : Donkey Kong,Diddy Kong,King K.Rool
Pokemon : Pikachu,Jigglypuff,Mewtwo,Lucario,Greninja
Mother : Ness,Masked Man
Yoshi : Yoshi,Kamek
F-Zero : Cpt.Falcon,Black Shadow
Fire Emblem : Marth,Lucina/Robin,The Avatar
Wario Ware : Wario,Waluigi
Kid Icarus : Pit,Palutena
Others : Mr.Game and Watch,ROB,Ice Climbers,Villager,Miss Fit,Megaman,Sonic,Little Mac,Olimar,Lip,Takamaru,and Wonder Red

53 possibilities. I'm pretty sure I will get an asston of questions.

EDIT : The /'s are for when I can't decide over two characters.

 

[NickerBocker]

Donkey Kong Jr should be considered more. Sakurai did say he's looking to bring back more "older" characters.

So... K Rool?

 

[Will]

Uh, great. Wasn't questioning Sakurai's logic though, only Origami's Arigarmy's.

That was an insult to a category of art,also,Waluigi has been more notified into more Wario Ware titles. Besides Mario Kart/Party.

 

[?????????????]

When it comes to the addition of characters, I think SSB4 is in a very different position than it's predecessors.

The first game was what it was, and then Melee had some necessary Nintendo staples to add (Bowser, Peach, Zelda, Ganondorf, etc), while a few surprises were thrown in as well (Ice Climbers, Game & Watch).

Brawl really fleshed out what was left of the important characters of it's major franchises (Wario, Diddy, Meta Knight, King Dedede), threw in a few surprises (Pit, R.O.B.), but THEN, it added notable characters of new games that hadn't existed during Melee's time (Lucas, Olimar, Lucario, Ike).

So I'm guessing we'll see characters that fall into these categories, but at this point, there are far less characters from the first category; the only ones coming to mind immediately being Ridley, maybe K. Rool, and perhaps you could say the Villager. But with most major Nintendo franchises already well-established in Smash, it leaves more room for the notable characters of new games, and that's been the bulk of the newcomers so far I think: Wii Fit Trainer, Rosalina, and even Little Mac for Punch-Out Wii (even though the character existed before).

In any case, maybe that's why I find Chrom so likely. Awakening was a HUGE success; if Lucas, Ike, and Lucario were introduced in Brawl, why would Chrom not be introduced now?

Maybe this is what also makes Palutena seem so prominent, after her very notable role in Uprising. Or ANY new Kid Icaurs character, for that matter.

 

[Shorts]

And Krystal at e3 with a brand new starfox game!!!!!!

Can't lie, every reveal I always hope she shows up. I still have Tingle at least. Oh and Dixie.

 

[Will]

I still have Tingle at least.

What?
WHY?

 

[UltimateWario]

Waluigi has been more notified into more Wario Ware titles.

Waluigi has never once appeared in a WarioWare game. It is a fallacy to call Waluigi a Wario character, as he has never appeared in a Wario game, be it WarioWare or Wario Land. Notified also doesn't fit into this sentence at all in the way you seemed to intend it to.

Mario : Mario,Luigi,Peach,Bowser,Rosalina
Zelda : Link,Zelda,Original Ganon,Toon Link
Kirby : Kirby,King DeDeDe,Bandana Waddle Dee
Metroid : Samus,Zero Suit Samus,Weavel/Sylux
Star Fox : Fox,Falco,Krystal,Wolf
DK : Donkey Kong,Diddy Kong,King K.Rool
Pokemon : Pikachu,Jigglypuff,Mewtwo,Lucario,Greninja
Mother : Ness,Masked Man
Yoshi : Yoshi,Kamek
F-Zero : Cpt.Falcon,Black Shadow
Fire Emblem : Marth,Lucina/Robin,The Avatar
Wario Ware : Wario,Waluigi
Kid Icarus : Pit,Palutena
Others : Mr.Game and Watch,ROB,Ice Climbers,Villager,Miss Fit,Megaman,Sonic,Little Mac,Olimar,Lip,Takamaru,and Wonder Red

****ing hell. I'm glad you're not in charge of the roster.

God, it must've been hard to choose between such one-off important and who the **** is this again iconic characters as Sylux and Weavel, huh? Who needs Ridley when you've essentially got the Metroid version of the Tikis?

 

[Shorts]

What?
WHY?

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[Kenith]

Waluigi has never once appeared in a WarioWare game. Notified also doesn't fit into this sentence at all in the way you seemed to intend it to.
****ing hell. I'm glad you're not in charge of the roster.

Right? Greninja? Over the Trainer? Ganon over the Dorf? Come on.

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Lol. They are very fast!

 

[Will]

****ing hell. I'm glad you're not in charge of the roster.

...
Jesus.
That hurt.
Like,really much.
I try my best to substitute things that most people put on their rosters.
....you are evil.

 

[Kenith]

...
Jesus.
That hurt.
Like,really much.
I try my best to substitute things that most people put on their rosters.
....you are evil.

Well, I'm sorry, but some of your choices are terrible, and the reasoning isn't really good either.

 

[Will]

Right? Greninja? Over the Trainer? Ganon over the Dorf? Come on.

I like ganondorf,really,I do. I just think it might be a little more special to give him his trident like the Blue Ranger and do some magics. In a pig form...

And also,I guess Greninja could be a part of the trainer if it involves the 6th gen?

Well, I'm sorry, but some of your choices are terrible, and the reasoning isn't really good either.

Well,let me ask you this.
Why do you think I never make rosters?
There's your answer,also,Ken,that message was for Wario.

 

[MagnesD3]

What Im expecting to see from the roster

 

[JamesDNaux]

I gotta say, one of the (smaller) reasons I wasn't too particularly fond of Mac getting in was the abomination of an assist trophy.

But damn does he look so much better here, he looks less like "average Joe boxer" and more like "I worked for this, *****."

 

[Kenith]

I like ganondorf,really,I do. I just think it might be a little more special to give him his trident like the Blue Ranger and do some magics. In a pig form...And also,I guess Greninja could be a part of the trainer if it involves the 6th gen?

I would rather have Ganondorf with a sword.
And I am absolutely certain Kanto Trainer's coming back. With Pokemon Origins and X/Y featuring those Pokemon significantly, they actually have way more reason to return than Lucario, who was confirmed.

If you like the Gen 6 Pokemon over him, that's okay, but if you are sharing a prediction, I am obliged to disagree with you.

 

[UltimateWario]

Mac looks hella sexy in this.

Smash 4 seems to be turning all of our favorite characters into sexy beasts. I mean, dat Link, dat Marth, dat Mac. It's like a bizarro-world Melee.

(You know, because everyone in Melee was disgusting-looking.)

 

[Sehnsucht]

Mac looks hella sexy in this.

Smash 4 seems to be turning all of our favorite characters into sexy beasts. It's like a bizarro-world Melee.

(You know, because everyone in Melee was disgusting-looking.)

It was the opposite for me. Suffice it to say that I'd often mistake which control stick I was supposed to use.

 

[Manny Toons]

Mac looks hella sexy in this.

Smash 4 seems to be turning all of our favorite characters into sexy beasts. I mean, dat Link, dat Marth, dat Mac. It's like a bizarro-world Melee.

(You know, because everyone in Melee was disgusting-looking.)

Extraordinarily so. Yoshi freaking terrified me as a kid.
That...chin... *shudders*

 

[UltimateWario]

It was the opposite for me. Suffice it to say that I'd often mistake which control stick I was supposed to use.

Sexy.

For real? I was kind of blind to it until Brawl came out, but after I stopped being so oblivious to it, I've always hated Melee's artstyle. The characters all look very...uncanny valley-y to me, and in some cases, even like "copyright-safe" versions.

Extraordinarily so. Yoshi freaking terrified me as a kid.
That...chin... *shudders*

Yoshi is my go-to example for this.

 

[SuperBrawler]

I gotta say, one of the (smaller) reasons I wasn't too particularly fond of Mac getting in was the abomination of an assist trophy.

But damn does he look so much better here, he looks less like "average Joe boxer" and more like "I worked for this, *****."

Sakurai be taking notes.

 

[Kenith]

Mac looks hella sexy in this. Smash 4 seems to be turning all of our favorite characters into sexy beasts. I mean, dat Link, dat Marth, dat Mac. It's like a bizarro-world Melee. (You know, because everyone in Melee was disgusting-looking.)

Disgusting-looking? How so? All I remember is that Mario had a crazy tan in Melee. It was wierd. I do recall the shading and tone of the characters' muscles was somewhat grotesque.

But yeah, this game looks absolutely fantastic. You know what it need to be perfect?

Ghirahim. With shiny jewelry and clothes. Make it HAPPEN, Sakurai!

 

[SmasherMaster]

Here Would be my Roster,That was just a simple plot,Newcomers in Bold

(Roster Here)

53 possibilities. I'm pretty sure I will get an asston of questions.

EDIT : The /'s are for when I can't decide over two characters.

I see this roster is trying to be unique. But there is a thing where somebody adds wired choices to be unique.

Characters that fall into unique/too unique: Orginal Ganon, Weavel/Sylux, Greninja, Masked Man, Kamek, Lucina/Robin, the Avatar, and Waluigi.

Cutting Ganondorf for Orginal Ganon would take more time. That could be time used for other characters.

Weavel/Sylux. Uniqueness is a good thing, but there is a thing called being too unique. Neither of the characters compare to Ridley in importance or as iconic.

Greninja and Masked Man. I support both of these, but Greninja would be with Kalos Trainer and Lucas would need to be there before Masked Man. That would be like in the orginal if Bowser was there instead of Mario.

Kamek and Black Shadow are okay choices. But you cut Ike, Lucas, Pokemon Trainer, and Snake make them off.

Why not have Robin with Marth and Ike? Seems less confusing for Fire Emblem.

Waluigi is not a Wario character, just like how Birdo or Baby Daisy
are not Yoshi characters.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Disgusting-looking? How so? All I remember is that Mario had a crazy tan in Melee. It was wierd. I do recall the shading and tone of the characters' muscles was somewhat grotesque.

But yeah, this game looks absolutely fantastic. You know what it need to be perfect?

Pichu. With shiny jewelry and clothes as an alt. Make it HAPPEN, Sakurai!

Fix'd

I see this roster is trying to be unique. But there is a thing where somebody adds wired choices to be unique.

Characters that fall into unique/too unique: Orginal Ganon, Weavel/Sylux, Greninja, Masked Man, Kamek, Lucina/Robin, the Avatar, and Waluigi.

Cutting Ganondorf for Orginal Ganon would take more time. That could be time used for other characters.

Weavel/Sylux. Uniqueness is a good thing, but there is a thing called being too unique. Neither of the characters compare to Ridley in importance or as iconic.

Greninja and Masked Man. I support both of these, but Greninja would be with Kalos Trainer and Lucas would need to be there before Masked Man. That would be like in the orginal if Bowser was there instead of Mario.

Kamek and Black Shadow are okay choices. But you cut Ike, Lucas, Pokemon Trainer, and Snake make them off.

Why not have Robin with Marth and Ike? Seems less confusing for Fire Emblem.

Waluigi is not a Wario character, just like how Birdo or Baby Daisy
are not Yoshi characters.

Agreed but its a reason to have Waluigi

 

[UltimateWario]

Ghirahim. With shiny jewelry and clothes. Make it HAPPEN, Sakurai!

As if Smash 4 couldn't get more homoerotic.

GHIRAHIM THRUSTS IN!

 

[Sehnsucht]

Sexy.

For real? I was kind of blind to it until Brawl came out, but after I stopped being so oblivious to it, I've always hated Melee's artstyle. The characters all look very...uncanny valley-y to me, and in some cases, even like "copyright-safe" versions.

Yoshi is my go-to example for this.

Not really.

Well, only once. With Jigglypuff.

 

[JamesDNaux]

(You know, because everyone in Melee was disgusting-looking.)

I don't know what you're talking about, plastic movie prop Bowser was the sexiest Bowser ever conceived.

Personally speaking, I'm probably in the minority that loved how Bowser was in Brawl, feral and menacing. He looks great in 4, I just hope he still has that roar...

 

[Joe D.]

What Im expecting to see from the roster

You my friend, have made what I consider, a perfect roster. BY FAR.