Character Discussion Thread

[RankoChan]

I wish with all the interchangeable specials, Mario could have gotten the Tornado as one of them.

I was surprised we didn't, especially since Palutena is getting completely different specials all around. I'm curious to how this will affect Ganondorf's moveset.

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

I think Mega Man customization are pretty viable. Like, what else would he have? Fiery Metal Blade? Ultra Bouncy Rush? Immediate Crash Bomber?

 

[Deleted member]

The thing is, there is no "generic" Waddle Dee. When it come to character design Waddle Dee is Waddle Dee, just as Yoshi is Yoshi. There may be variations of that design (ex: Red Yoshi, Blue Yoshi, Yellow Yoshi, Child Yoshi, Yarn Yoshi, Boshi, etc.) but they're still Yoshi. Even if they're considered a separate individual in the game. The same with Toad; Blue Toad is Toad. Bandana Waddle Dee is Waddle Dee. That's just how species characters work.

......What?

You've got the "design" aspect right, but there is a difference between generic and non-generic individuals.
Take Captain Toad for example. He's a Toad, but he's not "Toad"; he's "Captain Toad". This is because he is particular individual of the Toad species that stands out. He's not some generic member of the species that isn't any different from the rest.

 

[Morbi]

I was surprised we didn't, especially since Palutena is getting completely different specials all around. I'm curious to how this will affect Ganondorf's moveset.

I am not only curious as to how this will affect Ganondorf's move-set, but I am curious about "clone" characters in general. Lucas and Ness. Fox and Falco. For instance, do they retain each others variant as an additional variant? Or do they have completely original variants? Or perhaps they are also like Palutena and Mii Fighters with completely unique specials to compensate for the fact that their vanilla specials are redundant.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

True, but let's just look at everything here.

1. Snake is a 3rd party character.
2. There have already been three 3rd party characters announced for Smash.
3. Sakurai said he wants to limit the amount of 3rd party characters in the game.
4. As of 3 months ago, Kojima had not been contacted about Snake in the new Smash Bros. and said it was unlikely.

If you take the fact that his moveset is being picked apart for other parts of the game and add these facts, then Snake's chances are very low.

1. Not sure why that matters.
2. Snake is a veteran like sonic the first 3rd party at that.
3. No argument
4. Kojima said he did not know if Snake would be in which is obviously total bull crap. Besides that point he's also a master troll.
Snake's still viable no matter how thin his chances I've been saying this alot lately but don't write off Snake just yet.
I'm not being hostile just trying to point out a few counter arguments.

 

[Morbi]

1. Not sure why that matters.
2. Snake is a veteran like sonic the first 3rd party at that.
3. No argument
4. Kojima said he did not know if Snake would be in which is obviously total bull crap. Besides that point he's also a master troll.
Snake's still viable no matter how thin his chances I've been saying this alot lately but don't write off Snake just yet.
I'm not being hostile just trying to point out a few counter arguments.

Although; as one person mentioned, assuming there are no "repeat characters," including Snake would entail four 3rd party characters. So you could potentially have a free for all match without any Nintendo characters. I am not sure if that is entirely relevant as we could potentially do that already (2 Sonic and 2 Snake). However, it is something that I am considering.

 

[Deleted member]

This isn't about unrevealed newcomers, it is about Mega Man.

I see very little potential for the remaining roster to have completely unique moves (to the extent of Palutena)

Doesn't matter.
Do not make false definitive claims about what is being said (using words like "only") when there is still remaining information left that has yet to be shown.

You can say "Mega Man wasn't listed with Mii Fighters and Palutena as someone who has unique custom attacks", but don't claim that the site says "only" Mii Fighters and Palutena have these options, because that's not what the site is saying. This isn't another "Wario alone is special" deal.

 

[RankoChan]

......What?

You've got the "design" aspect right, but there is a difference between generic and non-generic individuals.
Take Captain Toad for example. He's a Toad, but he's not "Toad"; he's "Captain Toad". This is because he is particular individual of the Toad species that stands out. He's not some generic member of the species that isn't any different from the rest.

I don't think you quite understand. When it comes to character design, they're the same character:

As you can see, Captain Toad is a recolor of Toad with different clothes. They use the same character design.

But as far as being an individual, yes, you are correct. Captain Toad, Blue, Toad, and Yellow Toad are separate individual characters in the game's world/story. Just like Bandanna Dee and Sailor Dee are separate characters and Red Yoshi, Blue Yoshi, and Yellow Yoshi are separate characters. Or Dark Link and Link.

But as we all know, those individual Yoshis are costumes for Green Yoshi in Smash along with Dark Link being a costume for Link. This is because they share the same character design irregardless if they're separate individuals in the games they hail from. As we can see in previous Smash installments, the original design is usually the default when it come to character designs.

 

[Nintendotard]

I was surprised we didn't, especially since Palutena is getting completely different specials all around. I'm curious to how this will affect Ganondorf's moveset.

Imagine if they did though? Each character has the possibility of 12 special moves….ooh thats a thread idea! Has that been made yet?

 

[MagnesD3]

I'd say captain toad could be dlc... If he could jump

 

[CaptainCrisb]

Although; as one person mentioned, assuming there are no "repeat characters," including Snake would entail four 3rd party characters. So you could potentially have a free for all match without any Nintendo characters. I am not sure if that is entirely relevant as we could potentially do that already (2 Sonic and 2 Snake). However, it is something that I am considering.

This is an interesting argument... hmm... this is just me thinking out loud here, but I think Sakurai isn't really thinking that. These characters have appeared on Nintendo consoles and are still part of their history (look at Mega Man, he's in his classic NES form which he has mostly appeared on Nintendo consoles. Or if Layton was added, he's never appeared outside of a Nintendo console) but yeah... this is something I've never thought about... haha, I don't know what I'm talking about XD Well... I'm just gonna say don't count anything out yet XD

 

[queenrosetta]

I'd say captain toad could be dlc... If he could jump

He has worse recovery than little Mac. Has no recovery at all just falls to his death

 

[TumblrFamous]

Have fun with this monstrosity.

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

I approve of all that save for Chrom and Dixie Kong.

 

[CroonerMike]

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Have fun with this monstrosity.

That's not bad at all. Can't always get what you want.

 

[Autumn ♫]

So, since I didn't hear any feedback about my roster last time I posted it, how do you guys like it?

Spoiler

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Rosalina
Cpt. Toad

DK
Diddy
K.Rool
Yoshi
Wario
Little Mac

Link
Zelda
Shiek
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Vaati

Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede
Pit
Palutena
Dark Pit

Pikachu
Mewtwo
Charizard
Sceptile
Lucario
Greninja

Samus
Zamus
Ridley
Fox
Falco
Wolf

Marth
Ike
Roy
Lucina
Ness
Lucas

Olimar
Ice Climbers
ROB
Mii Fighters
Mr.G&W
Wii Fit Trainer

Villager
Shulk
Sonic
Snake
Megaman
Pac-Man

Also, if anyone has the time, and the roster maker, could you make this into a roster, as my computer currently can't do that.

 

[Morbi]

So, since I didn't hear any feedback about my roster last time I posted it, how do you guys like it?

Spoiler

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Rosalina
Cpt. Toad

DK
Diddy
K.Rool
Yoshi
Wario
Little Mac

Link
Zelda
Shiek
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Vaati

Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede
Pit
Palutena
Dark Pit

Pikachu
Mewtwo
Charizard
Sceptile
Lucario
Greninja

Samus
Ridley
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Villager

Marth
Ike
Roy
Lucina
Ness
Lucas

Olimar
Ice Climbers
ROB
Mii Fighters
Mr.G&W
Wii Fit Trainer

Shulk
Sonic
Snake
Megaman
Pac-Man
Random Button!!

Also, if anyone has the time, and the roster maker, could you make this into a roster, as my computer currently can't do that.

I love your roster more than you could possibly know; it is the first roster since e3 that does not allude to Sal's leak. Characters like Captain Toad, Sceptile, Dark Pit, and Vaati are so interesting as of current.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

So, since I didn't hear any feedback about my roster last time I posted it, how do you guys like it?

Spoiler

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Rosalina
Cpt. Toad

DK
Diddy
K.Rool
Yoshi
Wario
Little Mac

Link
Zelda
Shiek
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Vaati

Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede
Pit
Palutena
Dark Pit

Pikachu
Mewtwo
Charizard
Sceptile
Lucario
Greninja

Samus
Ridley
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Villager

Marth
Ike
Roy
Lucina
Ness
Lucas

Olimar
Ice Climbers
ROB
Mii Fighters
Mr.G&W
Wii Fit Trainer

Shulk
Sonic
Snake
Megaman
Pac-Man
Random Button!!

Also, if anyone has the time, and the roster maker, could you make this into a roster, as my computer currently can't do that.

It has K Rool, Ridley and Mewtwo on it, so it has my approval.

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

I pretty much disapprove of all the characters you added/dropped. Especially not into the whole Sceptile thing. Feel free to disapprove of my disapproval...I just disapprove of all this man.

 

[Kenith]

Doesn't matter.
Do not make false definitive claims about what is being said (using words like "only") when there is still remaining information left that has yet to be shown.

You can say "Mega Man wasn't listed with Mii Fighters and Palutena as someone who has unique custom attacks", but don't claim that the site says "only" Mii Fighters and Palutena have these options, because that's not what the site is saying. This isn't another "Wario alone is special" deal.

Maybe the site doesn't say "only", but that's probably because it was not needed; it is quite obvious what it means.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I pretty much disapprove of all the characters you added/dropped. Especially not into the whole Sceptile thing. Feel free to disapprove of my disapproval...I just disapprove of all this man.

I didn't drop anyone though...(with the obvious exception of Trainer)

 

[Diddy Kong]

What are all current confirmed customizable moves for all characters?

 

[shinhed-echi]

If Megaman had different specials, it'd be cool if the variants were:

B: Metal Blade
Shadow Blade (it returns like a boomerang)
Nitro Wheel (if thrown to the ground, it will roll forward until it rolls off the platform or hits someone)

Bup: Rush Coil
Rush Jet (You can move him around)
Rush Jet Adaptor (You can attack while you're flying similar to Rocket Belt)

Bdown: Leaf Shield
Plant Shield (Weaker but racks up damage)
Jewel Barrier (Slow to bring up, but when cast, reflects projectiles too)

BTilt: Crash Bomb
Bomb (Similar to Link's)
Napalm Bomb (Causes repetitive fire damage, like Ness PK Fire)

 

[Khoru]

So, since I didn't hear any feedback about my roster last time I posted it, how do you guys like it?

Spoiler

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Rosalina
Cpt. Toad

DK
Diddy
K.Rool
Yoshi
Wario
Little Mac

Link
Zelda
Shiek
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Vaati

Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede
Pit
Palutena
Dark Pit

Pikachu
Mewtwo
Charizard
Sceptile
Lucario
Greninja

Samus
Ridley
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Villager

Marth
Ike
Roy
Lucina
Ness
Lucas

Olimar
Ice Climbers
ROB
Mii Fighters
Mr.G&W
Wii Fit Trainer

Shulk
Sonic
Snake
Megaman
Pac-Man
Random Button!!

Also, if anyone has the time, and the roster maker, could you make this into a roster, as my computer currently can't do that.

i'll make it, but you left out zamus

 

[Autumn ♫]

i'll make it, but you left out zamus

I fix'd it, thanks for telling me, and I deeply appreciate your help too.

 

[MagnesD3]

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Have fun with this monstrosity.

Cut Isaac for Ridley and Dixie for King K. Rool.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't think you quite understand. When it comes to character design, they're the same character:

As you can see, Captain Toad is a recolor of Toad with different clothes. They use the same character design.

But as far as being an individual, yes, you are correct. Captain Toad, Blue, Toad, and Yellow Toad are separate individual characters in the game's world/story. Just like Bandanna Dee and Sailor Dee are separate characters and Red Yoshi, Blue Yoshi, and Yellow Yoshi are separate characters. Or Dark Link and Link.

Wut at the bolded. No, no they're not.
There is only one defined individual Yoshi that is just a generic Yoshi in design, and that's "Yoshi" the Green Yoshi that serves as Mario's pal and sidekick.

Aside from that, you are the one who doesn't understand.
Design doesn't matter. What does matter is the individuality. Captain Toad is a defined character that has his own starring role spin-off game and is the Captain of the Toad Brigade, and Bandana Waddle Dee is a defined character that serves as the "elite" member of his species and is both Kirby's friend and Dedede's personal assistant/advisor.

Why would the generic counterparts of their species be added instead of the major and defined individual characters? It's not like the Pokémon where they are representing the species as a whole, they're representing themselves.

And if design did matter....then we would never have Luigi in Smash, who's generally been a palette swap of Mario with very slight changes since his conception as a character.
Also, take Kirby. Recolor him navy blue with white eyes and purple feet. Give him gloves, shoulder pads, a cape, a sword, and a mask. Who do you have? Meta Knight.

But as we all know, those individual Yoshis are costumes for Green Yoshi in Smash along with Dark Link being a costume for Link. This is because they share the same character design irregardless if they're separate individuals in the games they hail from. As we can see in previous Smash installments, the original design is usually the default when it come to character designs.

....Those are all palette swaps.
Palette swaps of (in Yoshi's case) other generic Yoshis in colors of the species itself and (in Link's case) a living manifestation of the darkness inside Link.

Maybe the site doesn't say "only", but that's probably because it was not needed; it is quite obvious what it means.

Apparently not, because it means "Mii Fighters and Palutena are exceptions", not "Mii Fighters and Palutena are the only excpetions".

 

[Khoru]

oh it's also missing falcon

 

[Starcutter]

I'd say captain toad could be dlc... If he could jump

Villager can't jump in his game.... :|

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Villager can't jump in his game.... :|

Neither can Link or Fox unless you run them off a cliff.

 

[Starcutter]

Neither can Link or Fox unless you run them off a cliff.

Backflips count as jumping

 

[Khoru]

sad falcon
@ Autumn ♫

 

[Deleted member]

Villager can't jump in his game.... :|

No, Villager just doesn't have a jump button.
Captain Toad has one, but the backpack prevents him from gaining any height. Hence why if Captain Toad is in Smash, he would probably ditch the backpack.

 

[Niala]

Neither can Link or Fox unless you run them off a cliff.

And, if we're being technical, you can jump in Star Fox: Assault.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Backflips count as jumping

True, but as far as I know, Fox can't backflip. Don't quote me on that, I've never tried back flipping in StarFox adventures.

 

[Starbound]

Captain Toad and Bandanna Dee seem like really solid choices for next game.

Captain Toad Jumps In!

Though to be honest it'd be interesting to see what Sakurai could do with a character who is incapable of jumping. I doubt it'll happen but it'd make for a really interesting character.

 

[Starcutter]

No, Villager just doesn't have a jump button.
Captain Toad has one, but the backpack prevents him from gaining any height. Hence why if Captain Toad is in Smash, he would probably ditch the backpack.

eh, smash isn't canon. they could do that.


(you know that's inarguable, right?)

 

[MagnesD3]

Villager can't jump in his game.... :|

But its emphasized that captain toad cant jump.

 

[Starcutter]

But its emphasized that captain toad cant jump.

oh well. I guess they would go against that for smash, though cause unlike captain toad treasure tracker, jumping is essential in smash.

 

[SeatreasureReturned]

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I want it! Dixie and Lucas, that's all I need.