Character Discussion Thread

[TylerBlackRunIt]

You have a Hajime no Ippo avatar and thought Little Mac couldn't have a good moveset being a boxer and all?

For shame. >:[

So why can't Bandana Dee have a good moveset?

- The reason I said Little Mac because people though he can't have a good moveset.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

So why can't Bandana Dee have a good moveset?

- The reason I said Little Mac because people though he can't have a good moveset.

Excuse me? I thought Little Mac could have a good moveset!

 

[Deleted member]

Pfft, Black Shadow?!? Dude, have you seen him with Deathborn?

Yes, I have.

6:43

 

[BluePikmin11]

I feel like we have no idea how Sakurai is handling DLC, first I see Takamaru as DLC, then I see Bandanna Dee and Isaac. I just feel cut characters will be DLC, I think you guys might be disappointed if you guys are expecting newcomers.

 

[Deleted member]

Yes, I have.

6:43

Oh geez.....you got me there! Shows how much I know about F-Zero!

 

[Gunla]

I feel like we have no idea how Sakurai handling DLC, first I see Takamaru as DLC, then I see Bandanna Dee and Isaac. I just feel cut characters will be DLC, I think you guys might be disappointed if you guys are expecting newcomers.

Well, they'll might not be all veterans.

Game Freak is bound to easily take one slot and has likely lobbied for a Gen III DLC character if they aren't in the base game as is. And Game Freak... well, they kind of get what they want usually.

 

[queenrosetta]

Well, they'll might not be all veterans.

Game Freak is bound to easily take one slot and has likely lobbied for a Gen III DLC character if they aren't in the base game as is. And Game Freak... well, they kind of get what they want usually.

You have to remember though, most likely the dlc will be after the wii u version comes out and usually a month or too after. That means that ruby and sapphire will have been out for almost three months.

 

[Autumn ♫]

So, how do you guys like my new roster, and if any of you can, can you make a roster image for me with the characters, as the computer I'm using sucks at Paint and won't download the Roster Maker.

Spoiler

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Rosalina
Cpt. Toad

DK
Diddy
K.Rool
Yoshi
Wario
Little Mac

Link
Zelda
Shiek
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Vaati

Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede
Pit
Palutena
Dark Pit

Pikachu
Mewtwo
Charizard
Sceptile
Lucario
Greninja

Samus
Ridley
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Villager

Marth
Ike
Roy
Lucina
Ness
Lucas

Olimar
Ice Climbers
ROB
Mii Fighters
Mr.G&W
Wii Fit Trainer

Shulk
Sonic
Snake
Megaman
Pac-Man
Random Button!!

EDIT:Holy Carp, SmashBoards does not know how to show multiple spaces...
Might as well just make it a large line...

 

[Deleted member]

Oh geez.....you got me there! Shows how much I know about F-Zero!

To be fair, it's a separate canon.
One where Black Shadow is THE GODDAMN DEVIL.

 

[Gunla]

You have to remember though, most likely the dlc will be after the wii u version comes out and usually a month or too after. That means that ruby and sapphire will have been out for almost three months.

Sakurai had knowledge of knowing about X & Y at least 12 months in advance. I'm certain he'd know about a R/S remake that much in advance either.

In addition, it would provide serious promotion for the games still. X & Y got their newcomer months after it released.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

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I don't see why characters that are deemed unlikely by the general fanbase can't be discussed. My so called, "anti-logic", is used to show Bandana Dee isn't impossible. I myself believe he has a 30% - 50% chance of getting in. I don't fully believe he is guaranteed.

I am using logic and facts. I said he has importance in his own series as well as popular. I don't see why that can't give him a chance in the roster. DLC or not.

I can discussed whatever I want to discuss. I also am not in denial. I know full well that Bandana Dee can disconfirmed easily. However, I just don't think he is an impossible character.

Pessimism doesn't solve anything. It just limits the fun of all the discussions that can be had. If I'm disappointed? So what? It's much better then being pessimistic about everything. Should people be skeptical? Of course. But not so much when it limits things and causes people to act like jerks.

Lastly, I don't personally care for Ridley. I was just pointing out that what is assumed to be a hype character could potentially be a boss. I'm neutral on whether he will be a boss, playable, or both.

Why? Because R.O.B. was a thing that happen.

If you want to continue to say I'm in denial, thats ok. I want to talk about Bandana Dee.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't have anything against Dee, but when I see rosters of more than 50 characters, and Bandanna Dee in over Lucas with no second Mother character as a replacement, I die inside.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

One thing I'm worried about, though, is that if we do in fact get DLC characters, and some are veterans that didn't make the time frame, will they be able to be used online? or will they be blocked like Miis? Why I think this might happen is that I'm afraid Nintendo might think it's not fair for everyone not being able to use that character online, thoughts?

 

[Gunla]

@ Fire Emblemier
I'd assume that a patch would come out that would allow the characters to be used online (likely when the DLC comes out, the patch is out the day of or day 2) and would be required to play online. If people pay money for something like this, then I don't think Nintendo would ban them online. Miis are a special case due to the "offensive" Miis issue in my eye.

 

[N3ON]

Please don't post videos unrelated to the specific topic of the thread, thanks.

 

[queenrosetta]

Sakurai had knowledge of knowing about X & Y at least 12 months in advance. I'm certain he'd know about a R/S remake that much in advance either.

In addition, it would provide serious promotion for the games still. X & Y got their newcomer months after it released.

I'm not saying he wouldn't know about it. I'm just saying that they might feel the need for another character for promotion that much later on.
I see what ya mean with greninja but then again I think it's a bit different since it's a remake.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

@ Fire Emblemier
I'd assume that a patch would come out that would allow the characters to be used online (likely when the DLC comes out, the patch is out the day of or day 2) and would be required to play online. If people pay money for something like this, then I don't think Nintendo would ban them online. Miis are a special case due to the "offensive" Miis issue in my eye.

Fair enough, I'm actually surprised they put a total ban on mii's online, it wouldn't be that hard to make it "guest" miis only in online.

 

[Gunla]

Fair enough, I'm actually surprised they put a total ban on mii's online, it wouldn't be that hard to make it "guest" miis only in online.

It's also likely related to the customization thing.
Having tons of complex options being toggled and being online would likely put a strain on the servers, and having THE characters focusing on customization being banned is just the smartest option.

 

[Deleted member]

Considering that custom movesets are banned from With Anyone mode when online entirely, I'm pretty sure Mii Fighter being banned has more to do with them being the posterchildren of the customization feature as opposed to the potential for "offensive" Miis.
If "offensive" Miis were the issue, I doubt you'd be allowed to use Mii Fighters online at all.


EDIT: It appears that unlike normal characters, which have a "default" set of Specials, Mii Fighters lack a "default" due to their very nature being heavily custom-based.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

It's also likely related to the customization thing.
Having tons of complex options being toggled and being online would likely put a strain on the servers, and having THE characters focusing on customization being banned is just the smartest option.

Hmm, seems strange that Palutena isn't banned, then. Would this mean that Mii's won't have a default moveset, then, also?

 

[Gunla]

Hmm, seems strange that Palutena isn't banned, then. Would this mean that Mii's won't have a default moveset, then, also?

Miis also have the point of the customizable face. Transporting the data for the Mii face would be a little problematic and I don't think Nintendo would simply just force one to use generic Miis as that defeats the purpose of the "Anyone can Fight" tagline.

On the Special Moves for Defaults:
Well, the Special Move 1 Moveset is likely their default moveset. Mii Brawler's Special 1's were all shown and felt like those may be the defaults.

Palutena, is an actual fighter from a series, and one who likely has a default moveset. If Palutena was specifically excluded, that might be a bit awkward seeing how you have 99% of the roster playable and just one character is excluded, barring Miis.

 

[RankoChan]

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I think Bandana Dee still have a chance because he going to appear in a new Kirby game called "Kirby and the Rainbow Curse"

When's the support thread for Red Bandana Waddle Dee going to open up? He's much cooler looking than Blue Bandana Waddle Dee!

...

All joking aside, Waddle Dees have had support/playable roles in the Kirby series since Super Star. They just wear bandanas now. I think this guy is more likely considering he's getting his own game:

Regardless, I still maintain that if Toad or Waddle Dee became playable their original look would be their default costume while Captain and Bandana would be alternates.

 

[MagnesD3]

I would rather have Bandana Dee over Krystal.

I know you won't wanna hear this but I feel bandanna dee is barely a character and isn't even in sakurais thoughts for Kirby representation

 

[Kenith]

It makes no sense that Palutena has 12 completely unique special moves...
But not Mega Man.

If there was any indication that Sakurai is biased toward his own games, this is it.

 

[BluePikmin11]

My thoughts on Bandana Dee: he's probably going to be a rare enemy in Smash Run or an AT.
Also, Rainbow Curse probably won't affect his chances.

 

[Gunla]

Also, Rainbow Curse probably won't affect his chances.

This. The game just got announced at E3 and it's likely too late to affect anything regarding the roster. Despite Sakurai knowing about things in advance, that doesn't mean he'll always use the material.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

It makes no sense that Palutena has 12 completely unique special moves...
But not Mega Man.

If there was any indication that Sakurai is biased toward his own games, this is it.

You don't know that. Every character can be customized, and only a few have been shown off. Mega Man could still have some completely unique other options for his specials.

 

[Samuel Intrater]

I don't think we've ever actually seen how shiek's smoke grenade works.
Charizard and Bowser both have flame breathe. Charizard and Bowser both are still in the game.

Final Smash for Snake would make way more sense to have it be Metal Gear, especially after MGS4.
These can also be reused. See...uhm..every Star Fox Character in Brawl.

Have not seen any indication of similar smash attacks or other moves.

True, but let's just look at everything here.

1. Snake is a 3rd party character.
2. There have already been three 3rd party characters announced for Smash.
3. Sakurai said he wants to limit the amount of 3rd party characters in the game.
4. As of 3 months ago, Kojima had not been contacted about Snake in the new Smash Bros. and said it was unlikely.

If you take the fact that his moveset is being picked apart for other parts of the game and add these facts, then Snake's chances are very low.

 

[Deleted member]

I would imagine that if "Toad" is playable, it'd be the "Blue Toad" appearance due to 3D World.
If "Captain Toad" was playable due to his game, he'd appear....just like he does in his game. The only difference I can see happening is the backpack being removed since he can't jump with it on.

Bandana Dee, being a recurring character, would be...Bandana Dee, not a generic Waddle Dee.
As for those other Waddle Dees in bandanas, perhaps he's formed his own posse and he's the leader?

 

[Kenith]

You don't know that. Every character can be customized, and only a few have been shown off. Mega Man could still have some completely unique other options for his specials.

I do know that. The official website says only MFs and Palutena have 12 unique specials.

 

[RankoChan]

I would imagine that if "Toad" is playable, it'd be the "Blue Toad" appearance due to 3D World.
If "Captain Toad" was playable due to his game, he'd appear....just like he does in his game. The only difference I can see happening is the backpack being removed since he can't jump with it on.

Bandana Dee, being a recurring character, would be...Bandana Dee, not a generic Waddle Dee.
As for those other Waddle Dees in bandanas, perhaps he's formed his own posse and he's the leader?

The thing is, there is no "generic" Waddle Dee. When it comes to character design Waddle Dee is Waddle Dee, just as Yoshi is Yoshi. There may be variations of that design (ex: Red Yoshi, Blue Yoshi, Yellow Yoshi, Child Yoshi, Yarn Yoshi, Boshi, etc.) but they're still Yoshi. Even if they're considered a separate individual in the game. The same with Toad; Blue Toad is Toad. Bandana Waddle Dee is Waddle Dee. That's just how species characters work.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

I do know that. The official website says only MFs and Palutena have 12 unique specials.

"However, Mii Fighters and Palutena don't have spin-off variations, but rather completely unique types of attacks."
Yes, this does state that they have unique customizations... But it never said that they were the only characters to get them. Just that they do.

 

[Deleted member]

I do know that. The official website says only MFs and Palutena have 12 unique specials.

However, Mii Fighters and Palutena don't have spin-off variations, but rather completely unique types of attacks.

Point to me where it says only Mii Fighters and Palutena have unique types of attacks.
While the initial point about Mega Man is countered by this (since if he was one to have this feature, he would have been listed as well), it doesn't mean that unrevealed characters don't have unique specials to choose from.

 

[Kenith]

"However, Mii Fighters and Palutena don't have spin-off variations, but rather completely unique types of attacks."
Yes, this does state that they have unique customizations... But it never said that they were the only characters to get them. Just that they do.

Why would he mention only those two characters if others have this distinction?

Mega Man's Robot Master abilities are incorporated into his standard moves too.

 

[SmasherMaster]

Little Mac does have a good moveset. I played as him at Nintendo World.

He's going to be my new main. Or at least a secondary.

 

[False Sense]

Why would he mention only those two characters if others have this distinction?

Mega Man's Robot Master abilities are incorporated into his standard moves too.

Maybe that's the thing. Palutena has a ton of unique abilities incorporated into her many specials, but not her standard moves. Meanwhile, Mega Man already has numerous unique abilities incorporated into many of his attacks, both regular and special. So maybe it balances out.

 

[Kenith]

Point to me where it says only Mii Fighters and Palutena have unique types of attacks.
While the initial point about Mega Man is countered by this (since if he was one to have this feature, he would have been listed as well), it doesn't mean that unrevealed characters don't have unique specials to choose from.

This isn't about unrevealed newcomers, it is about Mega Man.

I see very little potential for the remaining roster to have completely unique moves (to the extent of Palutena)

 

[GunGunW]

I wish with all the interchangeable specials, Mario could have gotten the Tornado as one of them.

 

[Morbi]

Why would he mention only those two characters if others have this distinction?

Mega Man's Robot Master abilities are incorporated into his standard moves too.

The others that have that distinction are more likely than not unconfirmed characters.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Point to me where it says only Mii Fighters and Palutena have unique types of attacks.
While the initial point about Mega Man is countered by this (since if he was one to have this feature, he would have been listed as well), it doesn't mean that unrevealed characters don't have unique specials to choose from.

Actually, mega man's customizations haven't been shown at all. He could still have unique options, it's just that they might not be stated as such.

Why would he mention only those two characters if others have this distinction?

Mega Man's Robot Master abilities are incorporated into his standard moves too.

Not all of them. He has 13 abilities (not counting Rush, slide or mega buster) from the games (not all of them as specials of course), which leaves about 65 to choose from. Quite the selection to possibly be used as alternatives in my opinion, and that's not even counting spinoff games!
Also I think I just got greninja'd 5 times over, I was going to make a comprehensive list but can't be bothered right now. My point is, sure not every character will have them but consider that Donkey Kong is shown as having a headbutt attack that also locks enemies into a pitfall as an option when none of his specials had that animation before, and I think that other characters will have these kind of options.