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The hammer Mario never uses?
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The different properties matter because we were talking about what makes a clone, so just like Wolf's differently functioning Side-B and Up-B mattered so does the countering effect in regards to Ike.
I am still not seeing the logic in that, objectively speaking counters were not exclusive to Fire Emblem. You could always assert that sword-counters were exclusive to Fire Emblem. That would be much more reasonable (and true).
I was mostly comparing counters to the way Ike's functions. Sure the general statement that counters were exclusive to FE isn't true, which is a wording issue on my part, but I was talking about Ike's counter and its functions, which are only shared with Marth and supposedly Little Mac too (and Roy too I guess.)
Heretic! Burn the witch!
The thing is about Kirby newcomers is that we don't know what he thinks of each character.
Mainly because kirby is honestly mostly finished
Sorry to go off-topic, but that theme started out as one of the tracks for Gourmet Race, a minigame in Kirby Super Star. It was used for the Kirby stage in Smash 64 over more well-known tracks like Green Greens, so I guess Sakurai or his team liked the theme.
Bandanna Dee was given a purpose because they needed a reason to have four playable characters in that game. 'cause, y'know, for some reason I guess they completely forgot that Gooey existed. Bandanna Dee was just a happy coincidence, I'd imagine. Not to mention, I don't even think Bandanna Dee is even Sakurai's creation. Let's have a look at the credits for Return to Dreamland:
Oops. Guess not. Which might explain a lot of things, actually.
It's actually the other way around. The Smash games are the closest to Kirby than any other NIntendo game. Is it any surprise, then, that Sakurai draws a ton of inspiration from Kirby? Look at Kirby's Air Ride, which is essentially getting a clone in Smash Run. Any Smash references that come from later Kirby games are usually just cute nods to the series 'cause of Sakurai's original involvement in and creation of Kirby.Also, something else that I want to point out that isn't entirely relevant to you post. The kirby games are the closest to smash then any other Nintendo game. What do I mean?
http://kirby.wikia.com/wiki/Smash
Not to mention they love using the Fountain of Dreams theme. Just felt like pointing that out...
Well, like I said, the guy attributes a lack of Kirby newcomers in Melee to him being AFRAID of being considered biased. Any other bias towards Kirby, in things like inspiration, level design and game modes, are fair game as far as I'm concerned. None of that is as important as the roster is in a fighting game.
Bandana Waddle Dee debuted in Kirby Super Star, not in Return to Dream Land.
That's funny, I completely forgot about Kirby Super Star being BD's first debut. Which is even funnier considering I used to friggin' speed run the game. Man, I'm bad.
Feasible how? Did he have legs and/or hands in some Kirby game? >.>
I think he walks on his roots in Kirby's Dream Land 3,...but jumping?
Only the three smaller ones do that.
Understandable; BWD was merely the first opponent in the Megaton Punch mini-game.
He jumps in Kirby 64.
I dont think its necessarily the size of the Kirby series that will limit its newcomers/content, rather a multitude of things.So I've held off on bringing this up because I didn't want to be called a heretic...
But I've just seen enough this brought up that I feel like addressing it.
I've noticed many people say that there is apparently a "big three" in regards to the series in Smash bros. Those three are said to be "Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon."
Yeah, those three are most certainly the biggest in Nintendo...But here's a question...
...Why isn't Kirby a part of it or at least even close?
Yes, I know Donkey Kong has more sells, but this isn't about who deserves it. This is about who is being the most heavily promoted in a sense like they are a big deal. Whether is be through ads and/or the content they get in the game.
While Donkey Kong gets a nice amount of content and he is pretty big, Kirby is shown as way more important. I mean, just look at all the time he has been in the ads. There's also subspace where the Kirby characters all had important roles in Subspace. Kirby also usually gets a nice amount of content in the games. He has had plenty of stages and items in the past. They even added both King Dedede and Meta Knight in brawl.
But I know what you all are thinking. I can prove kirby is big and all, but what make him different then Donkey to say Pokémon? What makes me sure that he is considered as/almost as big as the "big three" in the eyes of Sakurai?
Well, again I must to say I can't prove Kirby deserves it or even 100% say that Kirby is considered as big as the big three. However, what I have seen over the years of Smash, I've noticed something with Kirby when it comes to the "big three" that makes him different from Donkey Kong. Hopefully through these pictures you will see just what I mean:
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There are some more instances but you get the picture.
As you probably guessed, my point is that Kirby is often advertised with the "big three." This shows that he at least compares to the "big three."
So why did I bring this all up?
Well there's 3 main reasons.
1. If the Kirby series actually compares to the "big three," then the lack of Kirby content is suspicious.
2. Because I see the "big three" used in arguments all the time and I felt like showing people my side of the picture.
3. Because I was kinda tired of hearing people say that it was impossible for Kirby to get a 4th rep solely on the basis that Kirby compares more to starfox then the "big three." Do I think Kirby should get another rep just to get another rep? Of course not. I think the character I support has enough merit to justify it's inclusion. I'm just saying when ever I try to explain why I support a character and why he is justified, I don't want to immediately be shot down solely on the fact that apparently Kirby is "too small."
Now, am I saying Kirby WILL get a new character, tons of stages, a plentiful amount of items, and many an assist trophy? Nope. What I'm saying is that if we are consider how "big" a series as a basis for content getting in the game, then surely Kirby should be considered as well, and not be so heavily excluded.
This brings back bad memories from Yungtown.
Kirby gets much of the screentime you showed in your examples because of Sakurai being biased (although most of its content outside of the SSE bias is largely justified). To answer what I believe your question is, people don't lump the series in with Mario/Zelda/Pokemon because they see through the bias and realize that it's just not on the same level as those three.So I've held off on bringing this up because I didn't want to be called a heretic...
But I've just seen enough this brought up that I feel like addressing it.
I've noticed many people say that there is apparently a "big three" in regards to the series in Smash bros. Those three are said to be "Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon."
Yeah, those three are most certainly the biggest in Nintendo...But here's a question...
...Why isn't Kirby a part of it or at least even close?
Yes, I know Donkey Kong has more sells, but this isn't about who deserves it. This is about who is being the most heavily promoted in a sense like they are a big deal. Whether is be through ads and/or the content they get in the game.
While Donkey Kong gets a nice amount of content and he is pretty big, Kirby is shown as way more important. I mean, just look at all the time he has been in the ads. There's also subspace where the Kirby characters all had important roles in Subspace. Kirby also usually gets a nice amount of content in the games. He has had plenty of stages and items in the past. They even added both King Dedede and Meta Knight in brawl.
But I know what you all are thinking. I can prove kirby is big and all, but what make him different then Donkey to say Pokémon? What makes me sure that he is considered as/almost as big as the "big three" in the eyes of Sakurai?
Well, again I must to say I can't prove Kirby deserves it or even 100% say that Kirby is considered as big as the big three. However, what I have seen over the years of Smash, I've noticed something with Kirby when it comes to the "big three" that makes him different from Donkey Kong. Hopefully through these pictures you will see just what I mean:
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There are some more instances but you get the picture.
As you probably guessed, my point is that Kirby is often advertised with the "big three." This shows that he at least compares to the "big three."
So why did I bring this all up?
Well there's 3 main reasons.
1. If the Kirby series actually compares to the "big three," then the lack of Kirby content is suspicious.
2. Because I see the "big three" used in arguments all the time and I felt like showing people my side of the picture.
3. Because I was kinda tired of hearing people say that it was impossible for Kirby to get a 4th rep solely on the basis that Kirby compares more to starfox then the "big three." Do I think Kirby should get another rep just to get another rep? Of course not. I think the character I support has enough merit to justify it's inclusion. I'm just saying when ever I try to explain why I support a character and why he is justified, I don't want to immediately be shot down solely on the fact that apparently Kirby is "too small."
Now, am I saying Kirby WILL get a new character, tons of stages, a plentiful amount of items, and many an assist trophy? Nope. What I'm saying is that if we are consider how "big" a series as a basis for content getting in the game, then surely Kirby should be considered as well, and not be so heavily excluded.
Hm, I don't think my actual question came across. Or at least there is a misunderstanding. Bear in my mind that I do understand Kirby isn't on the same level as them in actuality.
Well, in that case, my answer remains the same, just with regard to the roster as well...Kirby just isn't on the level of those other three, based on what we've seen thus far.
I think because Kirby is part of Sakurai's games, he is trying to promote his own characters more in the directs. Same could probably be seen with Pit this game, especially being one of the first character reveals.
Huh. So they do.
New Kracko styled stage? Yes please.
The Cursed Great Deku Tree from Ocarina of Time!
Really? If anything, I see it off of the partner's personalities and movesets and the idea of playing as a Goomba/Koopa/Etc as one of the main reasonings. Unique is a buzzword, but he's definitely one of the few characters that has a lot of attributes on his own, from other Mario RPG's, and with other partners. Those combined...
