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So then how did he find out about other characters? Assuming that he only got E3 plans would throw every other prediction of his into question, and I don't think that's where you want this discussion to go, is it?
:confused: Hmm....

I suppose it could be possible that he found it out through other means?

That is a good point...

He had to have withheld info.

Or leaks fake, but I don't think so.
 

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Yeah, I still think that a few other newcomers are being held off.

The fact that he leaked two separate times (on two of the most important dates in Smash 4 speculation) makes me think that we'll get one last one at E3 2014.

I'm still having trouble seeing the roster without a third DK character, in addition. :p
 
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:confused: Hmm....

I suppose it could be possible that he found it out through other means?

That is a good point...

He had to have withheld info.

Or leaks fake, but I don't think so.
Oh, did I manage to bring up a new point of consideration regarding the leak? I would have thought you all covered every possibility at this point.

So, back to your original question, my stance on the matter is that if the "leaker" withheld information before (for whatever reason), he could very well be making this up as he goes withholding more.
 

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Oh, did I manage to bring up a new point of consideration regarding the leak? I would have thought you all covered every possibility at this point.

So, back to your original question, my stance on the matter is that if the "leaker" withheld information before (for whatever reason), he could very well be making this up as he goes withholding more.
I recall arguing that he almost certainly has withheld information and altered the information he posted slightly to make himself appear less credible to the people who know the entire roster. After all, this many months in advance the set of people who know the complete roster is small; too much information will make it very clear that the leak happened. Leaking smaller bits or easily guessed bits certainly helps. For example, in the E3 leak half of it was wrong in terms of when it was being shown, but it's very possible that was intentional to avoid it being a dead ringer. It's also possible, given that Pac, Miis, and Little Mac are relatively safe guesses, that Nintendo could think that it was created by someone who found the Wii Fit Trainer prior to it being shown off, which lines up with the timing of when that leak sprouted up anyways.

The intentional vagueness of "Animal Crossing Guy" and "Pokemon from X/Y" supports the theory that he's trying to leak in a subtle manner to avoid making it too clear that it's an actual proper leak and to foster debate on the subject. The question becomes are any of the characters made up or false to throw Nintendo off the trail? Or are all of the characters mostly correct but with wrong details? I think for sake of the discussion we have to assume the second batch of characters are more or less right in their entirety, although I would be not be shocked if the Chorus Men ended up being Marshal. It's just the characters that were supposed to be leaked at last year's E3 that I'm curious about; only time will tell on those ones.
 

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E3 is almost here and once and for all we will know the full character list, here are my ways ridley could be announced if hes in!

 
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I'm assuming he's holding back the rest of the newcomers because they are just sheer liquid intensity, and our brains would explode if we found out who they were ahead of time. He still wants us to have some surprises left.
 

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That's what I get for not noticing that who I made the reply to initially was not the same user who replied to my reply.


The Hands put opponents to sleep in the beginning of their Applause attack.
Peach's Final Smash puts opponents to sleep (yes, it's currently unconfirmed if she has the same FS as before, however unlike Luigi she hasn't been seen with a new one yet).
Togepi puts opponents to sleep occasionally through Metronome.
New addition Darkrai uses Dark Void to put opponents to sleep.
New addition Ashley uses a magic spell that does random effects on opponents; it is believed that putting them to sleep is one of those effects.

Aside from that, you appear to miss this detail:


It's a rare status like Paralysis, Freezing, Bury, and Slip, but its not redundant without Jigglypuff.

Also, crawling was implemented in Brawl practically because of Snake. With crawling returning for Smash 4, does that automatically mean Snake's all but confirmed?
It's mostly redundant. I doubt we'd be seeing the effect at all without Jigglypuff, and the other effects without characters that use them. Yeah, crawling was most likely implemented because of Snake, but it's not something he inflicted on every other character and that every character had to have animations for. Alot more work goes into making status effects then little tricks individual characters do.
 

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Melee Ganondorf > Brawl Ganondorf
Melee Falco > Brawl Falco
Young Link > Toon Link (I have no idea why they got rid of the things that made Young Link particularly different from Link.)
Doctor Mario > Melee AND Brawl Mario.
I'd rather not have clones again, even if they're just slightly different. Toon Link is far different compared to Young Link. Brawl Falco was decloned even more. Brawl Ganondorf was further decloned as well, but he does indeed need some buffs.
 

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Earlier this week I saw this idea on Gamefaqs of a playable Ridley and King K Rool duo. Could someone make a thread for this?
It would probably just get locked, but hypothetically speaking; one COULD make it.

I'd rather not have clones again, even if they're just slightly different. Toon Link is far different compared to Young Link. Brawl Falco was decloned even more. Brawl Ganondorf was further decloned as well, but he does indeed need some buffs.
How is Toon Link different? Because they took away his fire arrows?
 

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How is Toon Link different? Because they took away his fire arrows?
I think there's more of a difference between Toon Link and Link compared to Young Link and Link.
Toon Link is still a semi-clone, but he's less of a clone of Link than Young Link was.
 
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Good God. I would be lying if I said that wasn't one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen in my life.
Really? You must be young, young and untainted.

I think there's more of a difference between Toon Link and Link compared to Young Link and Link.
Toon Link is still a semi-clone, but he's less of a clone of Link than Young Link was.
In what ways? I did not play Young Link too much, what moves are attributed to Toon Link that Young Link does not have? Or are you referring to the properties of the moves?
 

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Really? You must be young, young and untainted.


In what ways? I did not play Young Link too much, what moves are attributed to Toon Link that Young Link does not have? Or are you referring to the properties of the moves?
Mostly the properties. However, there are a couple of moves that are different from Link. From what I remember, not much was changed from Young Link. I know his Up-Special functioned differently and he shot fire arrows which was a cool affect, but I think that was close to about it.
 

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In what ways? I did not play Young Link too much, what moves are attributed to Toon Link that Young Link does not have? Or are you referring to the properties of the moves?
The only differences I believe are the Back Air, Up Smash, Neutral Air, Forward Air, and Dash Attack. The other moves are the same, just with different properties, like how Young Link's bombs hit multiple times while Toon Link's doesn't.
 

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How is Toon Link different? Because they took away his fire arrows?
I worded that bad, I think the differences between Toon Link and Link(Brawl) are greater than the differences between Young Link and Link(Melee).
 
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So... I did a thing.

What do you guys think of the roster looking like this?
 

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So let's play a game.

Let's say that the roster for the next installment was going to be incredibly big, and you were put in charge of the character roster. You would have to give every single franchise 4 more characters, (if possible.) Who would you pick?
Mario: Paper Mario, Bowser Jr., Toad, Wart
Zelda: Vaati, Demise, Ghirahim, Skull Kid
Pokémon: Mewtwo, Zoroark, Feraligatr, Blaziken
Wario: Captain Syrup, Mona, Orbulon, Ashley
DK: Dixie, King K. Rool, Krusha, Cranky Kong
Star Fox: Krystal, Leon, Panther, Slippy
Kirby: Bandana Dee, Adeliene, Knuckle Joe, Magolor
Metroid: Ridley, Sylux, Anthony Higgs, Dark Samus
F-Zero: Black Shadow, Goroh, Pico, Bio-Rex
Kid Icarus: Medusa, Palutena, Virdi, Hades
Retro: Mach Rider, Takamaru, Muddy Mole, Prince Sable
Animal Crossing: Tom Nook, Isabelle, K.K. Slider, Timmy & Tommy
Fire Emblem: Anna, Robin, Chrom, Lucina
Sonic: Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Metal Sonic
Megaman: Zero, Tron Bonne, Bass, Dr. Wily
 

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I would not necessarily mind; it would be hypocritical to assert that his size is irrelevant, but then complain about his size.
While on face value this statement is true, this is not exactly what Ridley supporters are arguing (I would hope, anyway). The argument that Ridley can't appear in Smash because of his canon size is irrelevant because of not only of Smash's universe constant dismal of canon sizes for various characters and objects within the game, but that Ridley himself does not objectively have a canon size or a documented one.

However, from my experience the arguments surrounding the "Too big" controversy is that Ridley whether he can appear in Smash of a certain scale to other characters (specifically Samus), not that size is completely 100% immaterial.

Of course, this misunderstanding may come from the perception from many supporters themselves possibly alluding that Ridley's size overall is completely irrelevant, which I would argue is certainly not true to many people for both supporters and detractors. After all, would anyone accept a Bowser the height of Olimar? Certainly not. Would they accept a Ridley somehow shorter then Samus? Highly doubt it.

I don't believe supporters would be hypocritical to complain about Ridley's size in Smash (if it turned out to be unsatisfactory to many people) since I see most arguing that Ridley can be resized without it possibly creating an issue of scale while having him still be a very large fighter, not that size completely doesn't matter.


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As for the clone discussion earlier, Falco is the only character whom I wished went back to his Melee clone self. Falco in Brawl just depresses me so very much :(
 
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*Ahem* I think we may have an issue by looking at today's pic of the day...


Is it just me...or does Mario's animation look like...random tripping? :p
I think the bigger issue is that Ike still has Eruption.
Tough break, Roy fans....
 

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*Ahem* I think we may have an issue by looking at today's pic of the day...


Is it just me...or does Mario's animation look like...random tripping? :p
Could just be the start-up frames of his weird flip taunt thingy.
A banana somewhere out of frame?
If it's not either of those...then what little desire I had for this game just flew out the window.
(I'll still buy it, but maybe after a few price drops)

I think the bigger issue is that Ike still has Eruption.
Tough break, Roy fans....
AND IT'S NOT EVEN BLUE!!!!!!!
:cry:
 
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Talk about low attention spans...Sakurai explicitly confirmed that tripping is not returning in Smash 4.

Sheesh it's guys like you that start these sorts of utterly baseless rumors...
 

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Talk about low attention spans...Sakurai explicitly confirmed that tripping is not returning in Smash 4.

Sheesh it's guys like you that start these sorts of utterly baseless rumors...
Newsflash: Sakurai lies to his fans. He says no random tripping, and we got random tripping happening.

End of joke.
 

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I think there's more of a difference between Toon Link and Link compared to Young Link and Link.
Toon Link is still a semi-clone, but he's less of a clone of Link than Young Link was.
Young Link to Link was different. For one, Young Link was a much more mobile character who is much more potent in keeping away. Link, on the other hand, uses his projectiles to approach so he can get a quick kill. YLink can approach as well but he'd prefer to rack up damage from the distance with his disjointed hitbox and better projectiles because unlike Link he has trouble KOing. Subtle differences, but they can be major.

AFAIK, Toon Link is just a better overall Link. I don't play him much but he doesn't have as powerful a projectile/keepaway game as YLink does, so to me he's more similar to Link than YLink was.
 
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