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Dalek_Kolt

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People aren't counting on them because they assume that Charizard's the only Pokemon out of those three to have survived and the fact that we haven't seen them in Greninja's trailer. Also, Pokemon roster spaces and Greninja supposedly "replacing" Squirtle are also reasons that contribute to this mentality.
The answer is obvious; Bring in Sceptile and Blaziken, cut nobody.

There. Now we have two of each starter.
 

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Here is my roster, which displeases even me. With boring choices like Takamaru and Palutena, it's not all that great, unique, or whatnot, until you see the small rectangle of DLC.

These are the figurines that are going to be released along with Mario, Link, Kirby, Fox, Pikachu, Samus, Pit, Yoshi and Little Mac. They are DLC characters, while the figurines for vets unlock new moves and a costume, Boomerang Suit for Mario, Skyloft Pajamas for Link, etc. The figs are released in packs of 2, Bowser Jr. and Medusa in Villains pack, Dixie and Bandana Dee in the Buddies pack, K. K. and Tetra in the Rapscallion pack, and Chrom and Shulk in the Swordsman pack. You can also get them in two groups of four, grouped in the same rows seen above.
Such perfection.
And this isn't even counting the DLC.
Your choices of Black Shadow and Krystal make me really dig the roster.
Now DLC, I think is just the cherry on the cake, all of your picks are just golden, though you have Snake cut and the inclusion of DLC. Why don't you add him as DLC if you're thinking about cuts? Other than that, the inclusion of DLC is a thumbs up for me.
This roster I wouldn't mind in the slightest, Perfect/10
 

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I'd say Squirtle is more iconic than Jigglypuff.
Yes, definitely... history is what Jigglypuff has going for her though.

I don't expect Ivysaur and Squirtle because I fully expect Jigglypuff and Mewtwo. And I don't see us getting eight Pokemon characters.
That's why I was saying we have no idea what the roster size is. I wouldn't say their chances are 0. Sakurai has thrown us for a loop before. Toon Link for example..
 

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I'll be that guy and say that Akuma Demise would be cool.
But Vaati gets my vote.

Eh, I'll try and change the Ganondorf subject,
I want to express my opinion about a veteran character, Mario. Am I the only one that would like to see some major changes done to him?
  • I find it strange that a recurring object such as his hammer, hasn't been implemented into his moveset.
  • His Up-Special could be buffed with the Wing Cap or Cape.
  • FLUDD should change nozzles like in Sunshine.
  • Mario could potentially use the Ice Flower, which could result in the first freezing projectile. Well, Ice Climbers kind of has one.
  • Down-Air could be his famous Ground Pound that appears in almost every game.
  • I don't even know where to start with his Final Smash, at least be from a game geez.
Anyway, those are just some of my opinions. I would really like to see some major buffs to Mario because he's one of my favorite Nintendo characters. Heck, he's one of my favorite video game characters.
Mario using a hammer? hum... I guess it can work out but I think it would be better if it was Paper Mario who could use it. Why? Because in those games, it's not just a standard hammer attack you can apply badges to it to do some interesting stuff (like throwing it, stronger attack, hitting all enemies, etc...). I did a moveset for him that uses as smash his hammer with badges and I also used the ultra hammer for his side throw and I used a segmented super hammer attack for his combo (swing to the fron, then behind and spin with it for a multi hit). I know that it's undeniable to say that Paper Mario IS mario but without going into detail, saying that he's THE mario like toon link is THE link would be abnormal considering how his potential doesn't even fee like mario at all. So, imo, it makes more sense that Paper Mario would use his hammer rather then mario himself.

As for ice flower and fludd, yeah you could do something interesting here. I myself found fludd useless in brawl. For up special, I just don't know I find his current one fine. Ground pound could be used but if Paper Mario is in, I don't think his down air should be changed.

I have no ideas for final smash but please change it I didn't like it in brawl.
 

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After 500% Lucario will Mega Evolve into a massive cloud of aura and steam that covers half of Palutena's Temple.
 

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List said evidence.

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The Bellossum image and the explanation for why it would all but confirm her.
Different characters have different sleep animations, and the bubbles and pink hue aren't constant. I will give up on the Wii Fit Trainer pic however, considering there's nothing there that can prove it's sleep or knockdown other than Sakurai's translated message. But the Bellossum pic most certainly shows a sleeping Shiek, because of the sleep bubbles and the same exact sleep animation she had in Brawl.

The reason I believe the presence of the sleep effect effectively confirms Jigglypuff is because the effect is redundant with the dizzy effect around and being possible in any match. (That isn't a Jigglypuff only match, funnily enough.) Since the dizzy animation has to exist and functions exactly the same as sleep, sleep is essentially dizzy with a different animation. Why go though the trouble of porting over and making new sleep animations if it's redundant? Same as before, it's for a character's signature gimmick, and that character is in all likelyhood Jigglypuff. Not exactly a ton of characters that can even put others to sleep, much less as their signature move from their series.
 

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hey guys whats going on in here

oh pokemon?

Hmm... For a fire character, I'd love Emboar if we were to have two starters for each.
Personally I like Charizard and Typhlosion.
Mario using a hammer? hum... I guess it can work out but I think it would be better if it was Paper Mario who could use it. Why? Because in those games, it's not just a standard hammer attack you can apply badges to it to do some interesting stuff (like throwing it, stronger attack, hitting all enemies, etc...). I did a moveset for him that uses as smash his hammer with badges and I also used the ultra hammer for his side throw and I used a segmented super hammer attack for his combo (swing to the fron, then behind and spin with it for a multi hit). I know that it's undeniable to say that Paper Mario IS mario but without going into detail, saying that he's THE mario like toon link is THE link would be abnormal considering how his potential doesn't even fee like mario at all. So, imo, it makes more sense that Paper Mario would use his hammer rather then mario himself.

As for ice flower and fludd, yeah you could do something interesting here. I myself found fludd useless in brawl. For up special, I just don't know I find his current one fine. Ground pound could be used but if Paper Mario is in, I don't think his down air should be changed.

I have no ideas for final smash but please change it I didn't like it in brawl.
Yes, I agree that Paper Mario would be better suited for the hammer. However, I just wanted to state that it's possible that his hammer could be implemented into his moveset. It's used in many of the games and could make his moveset more unique.
However, if Paper Mario were to appear as a playable character, fingers crossed, I wouldn't see a need for Mario to use a hammer. Instead, they could focus on his other power-ups and abilities.
 

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I just want a replacement for Ivysaur. Of course, we don't need a grass type, as I believe that completing the starter type trio is fan-made criteria, but it is loosing out diversity.

On the topic of Paper Mario, the hammer is quite iconic to him. The Paper Mario series diverges a lot from the standard Mario games in terms of gameplay and power-ups - badges, partners, paper-based abilities, etc. so it's possible to make him a completely different character than Mario.
Also, I'd say the similarities between Mario/Paper Mario and Link/Toon Link end at being alternate forms. Wind Waker, while aesthetically different from OOT/TP is still quite similar to them at its core (after all Twilight Princess is based on a highly modified Wind Waker engine.) On the other hand, the Paper Mario games are nothing like the core Mario 2D/3D platformers. At all.
 
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Also, I'd say the similarities between Mario/Paper Mario and Link/Toon Link end at being alternate forms. Wind Waker, while aesthetically different from OOT/TP is still quite similar to them at its core (after all Twilight Princess is based on a highly modified Wind Waker engine.) On the other hand, the Paper Mario games are nothing like the core Mario 2D/3D platformers. At all. Y
Exactly how I see it. Actually, I think that's a great advantage for him because of how diverse he is.
 

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I think most people would be content with Mewtwo and Jigglypuff, and by that, I mean Mewtwo, sine everyone and their dog loves that guy. I can't really say if I'm expecting any other Pokemon aside from those two. But Sceptile would be cool.

I wouldn't mind seeing Paper Mario either. Or even Doctor Mario, if he gets a few more new moves.
 

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I think most people would be content with Mewtwo and Jigglypuff, and by that, I mean Mewtwo, sine everyone and their dog loves that guy. I can't really say if I'm expecting any other Pokemon aside from those two. But Sceptile would be cool.

I wouldn't mind seeing Paper Mario either. Or even Doctor Mario, if he gets a few more new moves.
Speaking of Doc, I know Sakurai said that there wouldn't be any alternate costumes that turns fighters into other characters, but is Dr. Mario really that different a character from Mario? If Wario can get his classic overalls, why not give Mario a labcoat?
 

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Speaking of Doc, I know Sakurai said that there wouldn't be any alternate costumes that turns fighters into other characters, but is Dr. Mario really that different a character from Mario? If Wario can get his classic overalls, why not give Mario a labcoat?
Eh, who knows for sure? I think back in the day, Sakurai felt like it was weird for Doc to shoot fireballs. Maybe he can make the pills a simple swap, like in Project M. If not, you could give him the Tornado at the very least.
 

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Speaking of Doc, I know Sakurai said that there wouldn't be any alternate costumes that turns fighters into other characters, but is Dr. Mario really that different a character from Mario? If Wario can get his classic overalls, why not give Mario a labcoat?
Now that you mention it, it may happen and I would be ok with that. I see more as an alt than as a character.
 

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My only problem with Paper Mario is that I would want to see Toad in before him. He's definitely more deserving than him.

After that? I'd love to see him.
 
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It's an insult to Doc mains to just make him an aesthetic costume for Mario.
Just as much as it would be to make Roy an alt of Marth that has fire damage for aesthetic effect only.

Either bring Doc back separately (going Ganondorf/Falco in terms of deviation from full clone status is acceptable) or don't bring him back at all.
 
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It's an insult to Doc mains to just make him an aesthetic costume for Mario.
Just as much as it would be to make Roy an alt of Marth that has fire damage for aesthetic effect only.
I mained Dr. Mario and I'd love to see a Dr. costume for Mario. Dr. Mario was one of those characters that I really liked, but I didn't expect him to stay nor did I think he was really needed. Didn't stop me from liking him though, he was my favorite character.
 
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Yep Dr.Mario is still Mario, now that Luigi is also a doctor they should go crazy with alt costumes.
 
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The Bellossum image and the explanation for why it would all but confirm her.
The argument of redundancy is rendered void with the fact that originally Stun and Sleep had the same animation in 64. Just different sound effect (snoring instead of weak groans), flashing pink instead of red, and music notes flying over their heads instead of sparks.
 

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It's an insult to Doc mains to just make him an aesthetic costume for Mario.
Just as much as it would be to make Roy an alt of Marth that has fire damage for aesthetic effect only.
Yeah, but Roy's actually a separate character. I imagine that less of an uproar would occur if Mario puts on a labcoat as a costume than if Marth redid his hair, crown, armor, and set his Falchion ablaze.

Add in some custom movesets, and regular Mario can probably toss pills too.
 

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Am I allowed to express my opinion on Ridley?

Just asking before I get marked/modded by the mods here.

I mean, why does it start flame wars if someone doesn't think he'll be in?
 
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I mained Dr. Mario and I'd love to see a Dr. costume for Mario. Dr. Mario was one of those characters that I really liked, but I didn't expect him to stay nor did I think he was really needed. Didn't stop me from liking him though, he was my favorite character.
I didn't expect him to stay nor think of him as "needed", but I'd much rather play as Dr. Mario with his deviated attributes again than Mario in a lab coat where nothing's different but aesthetics.

Playing the Dr. Mario games also makes me feel that Dr. Mario should be made to reflect them more as opposed to just copy Mario for the sake of being a clone while pulling things like the "Super Sheet" from nowhere just to give an alternative to the Cape. I shudder to imagine what would be done to mimic F.L.U.D.D. ....
 

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The argument of redundancy is rendered void with the fact that originally Stun and Sleep had the same animation in 64. Just different sound effect (snoring instead of weak groans), flashing pink instead of red, and music notes flying over their heads instead of sparks.
But the pic shows Shiek's sleep animation. Is she suddenly going to fall asleep when her shield breaks? No. And my observation is that sleep effect = Jigglypuff, but not necessarily the other way around. And since the sleep effect definitely exists in SSB4...
 
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Yeah, but Roy's actually a separate character. I imagine that less of an uproar would occur if Mario puts on a labcoat as a costume than if Marth redid his hair, crown, armor, and set his Falchion ablaze.

Add in some custom movesets, and regular Mario can probably toss pills too.
We have Link in kawaii ****** state being a clone.

And somehow Dr. Mario being Mario in an alternate canon/universe (according to Miyamoto's statements about Mario's time as a doctor being "less than legitimate") is unacceptable. :rolleyes:
 

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Yeah if they're gonna put in Doc, I want him to be the stronger and more damaging Mario that can kill quick, rather than be combo focused like normal Mario as an alt.
 
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Am I allowed to express my opinion on Ridley?

Just asking before I get marked/modded by the mods here.

I mean, why does it start flame wars if someone doesn't think he'll be in?
Ridley is just super controversial in general, and we've all been over it a thousand times before, so it's rare anybody is ever in the mood for it. We've practically heard everything there is to say about him, and it never ends well due to people's polarizing opinions.

You are of course allowed to bring it up still, but I advice not to do it.
 
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Am I allowed to express my opinion on Ridley?

Just asking before I get marked/modded by the mods here.

I mean, why does it start flame wars if someone doesn't think he'll be in?
Ridley's in that sweetspot that few Nintendo characters are. Just slightly bigger than Bowser, Donkey Kong and Ganondorf, but isn't big enough to be associated with titanic Nintendo villains like Mother Brain, Giygas, and Kraid. Add in the fact that Rids is so lanky compared to more humanoid/rotund villains like Bowser, Ganondorf or Dedede, and scaling him down is difficult, though not impossible to imagine.

Personally, the fact that he's so controversial proves that he's workable as a character. I can say without fear of retribution that Kraid, Giygas in his red Earthbound iteration, Grima in his dragon form, and Mother Brainzilla will never, EVER be playable characters, and nobody will stop or contradict me because not only are they impossibly big, but because no one wants to support or play as these characters. Or at the very least, the forms of the characters I suggested.
 
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We have Link in kawaii ****** state being a clone.

And somehow Dr. Mario being Mario in an alternate canon/universe (according to Miyamoto's statements about Mario's time as a doctor being "less than legitimate") is unacceptable. :rolleyes:
This is implying Toon Link is acceptable all of a sudden.
 
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But the pic shows Shiek's sleep animation. Is she suddenly going to fall asleep when her shield breaks? No. And my observation is that sleep effect = Jigglypuff, but not necessarily the other way around. And since the sleep effect definitely exists in SSB4...
Irrelevant point.
You gave the point (or to be exact, you quoted someone else's point) that sleep = Jigglypuff because sleep would be redundant otherwise because of stun. However, the point of redundancy is invalid due to the fact it was redundant to begin with (even more so with both statuses using the same damn animation in 64), and more sleep-inducing elements have been brought into Smash since Melee (where unique animations were given) and sleep has been given reverse properties to stun (sleep lasts longer the more damage a character has, while higher damage makes it easier to snap out of stun), making sleep less redundant.
Ergo sleep =/= Jigglypuff automatically.

This is implying Toon Link is acceptable all of a sudden.
More people see Toon Link as more acceptable than Dr. Mario.
Personally, I see them roughly the same.
 
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Irrelevant point.
You gave the point (or to be exact, you quoted someone else's point) that sleep = Jigglypuff because sleep would be redundant otherwise because of stun. However, the point of redundancy is invalid due to the fact it was redundant to begin with (even more so with both statuses using the same damn animation in 64), and more sleep-inducing elements have been brought into Smash since Melee (where unique animations were given) and sleep has been given reverse properties to stun (sleep lasts longer the more damage a character has, while higher damage makes it easier to snap out of stun), making sleep less redundant.
Well let's get @ LancerStaff LancerStaff over here then.
...I'm here.

Jokes aside, I doubt they'd port over and make new animations for an incredibly minor thing like one Pokeball 'mon nobody would miss. Only one character uses it, and it'd be almost entirely redundant without the character to use it, AKA Jigglypuff. It has it's own animation now which is 100% confirmed to be in SSB4. So, sleep effect + it's own unique animation = Jigglypuff in my book.
 

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Yeah if they're gonna put in Doc, I want him to be the stronger and more damaging Mario that can kill quick, rather than be combo focused like normal Mario as an alt.
Eh, no. We're avoiding clones remember? Do you want another Melee roster?
 

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Eh, no. We're avoiding clones remember? Do you want another Melee roster?
Melee Ganondorf > Brawl Ganondorf
Melee Falco > Brawl Falco
Young Link > Toon Link (I have no idea why they got rid of the things that made Young Link particularly different from Link.)
Doctor Mario > Melee AND Brawl Mario.


Hmm, yes. Falcon aside, I main Doc and Falco in Melee.
 
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