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When it comes to the Retro characters, it's really difficult to make a clear cut decision. My decision mostly is based on that the franchise is certainly recognizable, has been having titles in the franchise as the years have gone by, and a mounted character would certainly be unique (and so for not being able to jump, give it some springs! I mean if Samus can get jet boots out of nowhere it shouldn't be nearly as hard for the development team to think of something to allow a bike to get in the air).
Mach Rider could probably be a mounted fighter as well, but he isn't nearly as recognizable as Excitebiker (and I'd prefer Mach to not fight on his bike anyways, would seem a little clunky given it's size).
I initially really wanted to keep Snake on there, but I unfortunately just don't think it's going to happen anymore.
As I said before it's tough to hit the nail in the head when it comes to the retro characters. But if I did replace Excitebiker with another character, I would aim to replace him with another retro character.
Thanks! I'm hoping for that too.
Thank you, out of curiosity where do you see the character amount to be? I'm personally thinking along the lines of 48 - 52. So I do have to admit that my roster is a little on the higher side.
Wow, I really appreciate the feedback!

Also, I don't use the Roster Maker. I using an image editing program for all of my rosters and stuff, so I'm afraid I can't really help you with that.
No complaints hearing this either.

Oh wow I can't believe how much positive reception this roster has received. Here I was thinking people were gonna call me out on Excitebiker but I guess mostly everyone seems to secretly want him or something.
I actually agree with you about the retro characters, and that Excite Biker has potential and is deserving. He's just not my first pick for retro.
Overall I do really like your roster. No Isaac is just a nitpick.
 

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I've tried to make a roster based around heavy cuts and fewer newcomers.
It's not a roster I'm particularly fond of, but it is one I could see coming true.



44 characters.

I've cut Snake, Ivysaur, Squirtle, Lucas and Falco (interchangeable with Wolf).
I've only added newcomers that I think are most likely, and they're all fairly conservative.
(Mii, Pac-Man, Chrom, Palutena)

Obviously, this is pretty low compared to most people's expectations, so it would be difficult to thrilled with it.
It's not bad, though; I'd be content with a roster like this. How about you guys?
Needs more K. Rool.
 

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Now I have two topics I'd like to hear opinions on.
One, how many characters is too many? Is there a limit? Is that limit 50, and why?

Two, do the people who want Black Shadow simply want him as the new Falcondorf so Ganon can become a real boy? Or do you like the character?
If the former, how would you feel about Mach Rider as Falcondorf with a twist: his vehicle?
He would have a full moveset off of his bike, but he could hop on via his side B, like Wario does, but unlike Wario, he would have a mounted laser gun. So he could drive the bike, fire with A, boost with B, possibly jump, and jump off or be knocked off at any time.
So a partial movset while mounted.
As a Black Shadow supporter, I predominately use him as an excuse to impute Falcondorf's move-set elsewhere. However; as a fan of his character, I wouldn't mind if he was his own individual fighter. I do like his character though (he is the only reason I watched the anime).

I don't mind Mach Rider, but he doesn't really scream Falcondorf to me. As a fan of that play-style, I would be content.
 

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I've tried to make a roster based around heavy cuts and fewer newcomers.
It's not a roster I'm particularly fond of, but it is one I could see coming true.



44 characters.

I've cut Snake, Ivysaur, Squirtle, Lucas and Falco (interchangeable with Wolf).
I've only added newcomers that I think are most likely, and they're all fairly conservative.
(Mii, Pac-Man, Chrom, Palutena)

Obviously, this is pretty low compared to most people's expectations, so it would be difficult to thrilled with it.
It's not bad, though; I'd be content with a roster like this. How about you guys?
Needs more K. Rool.
 

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How is that realistic? Define realistic for me. Please.
At the risk of being cyclical in terms of debate, I point toward the fact that E3's not far off, the game's release not long after that, and there will likely be no unlockable characters because Sakurai dislikes spoilers. Add to that the fact that Sakurai is stated as having to introduce too many characters may wind up diluting those he feels to be genuinely unique, and it's not hard to understand that he's taking less time to make more characters and is instead spending more time to make better characters.

Again, take what I say with a grain of salt, but that's why I've arrived at the conclusions I have.
 

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At the risk of being cyclical in terms of debate, I point toward the fact that E3's not far off, the game's release not long after that, and there will likely be no unlockable characters because Sakurai dislikes spoilers. Add to that the fact that Sakurai is stated as having to introduce too many characters may wind up diluting those he feels to be genuinely unique, and it's not hard to understand that he's taking less time to make more characters and is instead spending more time to make better characters.

Again, take what I say with a grain of salt, but that's why I've arrived at the conclusions I have.
That still doesn't explain the cut veterans. In fact, your logic supports them.
 

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At the risk of being cyclical in terms of debate, I point toward the fact that E3's not far off, the game's release not long after that, and there will likely be no unlockable characters because Sakurai dislikes spoilers. Add to that the fact that Sakurai is stated as having to introduce too many characters may wind up diluting those he feels to be genuinely unique, and it's not hard to understand that he's taking less time to make more characters and is instead spending more time to make better characters.

Again, take what I say with a grain of salt, but that's why I've arrived at the conclusions I have.
Still gonna be unlockables regardless what you want.
 

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At the risk of being cyclical in terms of debate, I point toward the fact that E3's not far off, the game's release not long after that, and there will likely be no unlockable characters because Sakurai dislikes spoilers. Add to that the fact that Sakurai is stated as having to introduce too many characters may wind up diluting those he feels to be genuinely unique, and it's not hard to understand that he's taking less time to make more characters and is instead spending more time to make better characters.

Again, take what I say with a grain of salt, but that's why I've arrived at the conclusions I have.
So basically baseless arbitrary assumptions? I mean, it is fine to have your opinion, but you didn't really cite a logical reason.
 

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The way I see it: If we can get Ike back, then we can get Lucas. If we get Lucas, then we are definitely getting Wolf.
 

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Sakurai never said he didn't like spoilers, he said he didn't like spoiling the story mode. It is different.

The story mode has been in one game. Unlockable characters are a tradition in all of them. Regardless of whether or not they are secret, I can't see them cutting that.
 

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Sakurai never said he didn't like spoilers, he said he didn't like spoiling the story mode. It is different.

The story mode has been in one game. Unlockable characters are a tradition in all of them. Regardless of whether or not they are secret, I can't see them cutting that.
The game would suck if you couldn't unlock anyone... that's half the fun.
 

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Your opinion is your opinion, I think Robin is better than your average Lord of the Month. I chose him/her mostly because the Tactician aspect of the character will probably be recurring into future FE titles.
Sorry, but Robin isn't happening.


I believe we all know that the best Fire Emblem roster would be:
Marth
Ike
Micaiah
Roy
I agree with you sonny

How many newcomers/veterans do you guys think will be revealed at E3? Can I talk it here?
I wanna say maybe 7 vets and 4 newcomers at least. Going by based on what we had from the Direct where we had four vets and one newcomer, so with double the time, more characters to be revealed

The way I see it: If we can get Ike back, then we can get Lucas. If we get Lucas, then we are definitely getting Wolf.
Give this man a cookie!
 

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The way I see it: If we can get Ike back, then we can get Lucas. If we get Lucas, then we are definitely getting Wolf.
Ike isn't necessarily relevant to Lucas; that would probably be Toon Link (so: if we can get Toon Link back, then we can get Lucas). Ike pertains more to Wolf (unique play-style, sharing a D-Special with a franchise) along with arbitrary assertions of over-representation. The only difference being that Wolf doesn't have someone aesthetically identical that could potentially replace him.
 
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Based on Ike's return I just changed my roster
Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Rosalina and Bowser Jr
Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Greninja, Lucario, Charizard and Mewtwo
Link, TL, Ganondorf, Zelda, Sheik and Ghirahim
Samus, ZSS and Ridley
DK, Diddy Kong and King K Rool
Marth, Ike and Robin
Kirby, KDD, Meta Knight
Fox, Falco and Wolf
Pit and Palutena
R.O.B, Ice Climbers, Mr Game and Watch and Takamaru
Olimar, Little Mac, Shulk, Mii, Villager, WFT, Ness, Captain Falcon, Wario and Yoshi
Pacman, Sonic and Megaman
Here are some reason for some characters
-Mewtwo and Palutena are lock in
-I haven't seen a good reason not to add Ghirahim
-Bowser Jr is the perfect choice for the 6th mario rep
 

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I have to stop you here.

You don't know that. It makes me so angry for people to be shot down like that.
Another baseless arbitrary assertion. Seriously, I feel as though I use the words, "fallacious" and "arbitrary" FAR TOO MUCH on a speculation forum. Why can't we use feasible logic to support our arguments?
 

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I speculate that it is an inherent preconceived notion based on whatever Fire Emblem character he supports.
I think it's less because of a character he supports, and more due to the fact that he has very clearly established that he despises Robin.
 

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I have to stop you here.

You don't know that. It makes me so angry for people to be shot down like that.
Nope, there's no way Robin would even be playable. Just because Wii Fit Trainer and Villager were confirmed and have gender options doesn't mean Robin is. Robin isn't the face of Fire Emblem nor a Lord, so I don't see it happening. Best Robin can get is AT or trophy. Robin was basically thrown in my face so much that I dislike Robin due to that.
 
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And if we can wolf, maybe we can get Snake.

and Ridley.
What? Please establish the correlation, I am not seeing it (I see the joke for Ridley, but I am not understanding the Snake portion).

I think it's less because of a character he supports, and more due to the fact that he has very clearly established that he despises Robin.
Ah, I did not actually know that.
 
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Nope, there's no way Robin would even be playable. Just because Wii Fit Trainer and Villager were confirmed and have gender options doesn't mean Robin is. Robin isn't the face of Fire Emblem nor a Lord, so I don't see it happening. Best Robin can get is AT or trophy
Just because WFT and Villager has them doesn't mean Robin can't.
 

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Nope, there's no way Robin would even be playable. Just because Wii Fit Trainer and Villager were confirmed and have gender options doesn't mean Robin is. Robin isn't the face of Fire Emblem nor a Lord, so I don't see it happening. Best Robin can get is AT or trophy
Again, that is a baseless assumption based on the arbitrary pattern that all Fire Emblem representatives in Smash Bros must be male Lords.

(Morbid, look what you're doing to me.)
 
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Nope, there's no way Robin would even be playable. Just because Wii Fit Trainer and Villager were confirmed and have gender options doesn't mean Robin is. Robin isn't the face of Fire Emblem nor a Lord, so I don't see it happening. Best Robin can get is AT or trophy. Robin was basically thrown in my face so much that I dislike Robin due to that.
I don't see how not being the face of Fire Emblem or nor being a Lord makes him completely impossible. It was never stated that those were requirements to begin with.
 
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