Character Discussion Thread

[BluePikmin11]

I think if any character should be cut, a Starfox rep is the obvious choice. Almost every other character in Smash Bros. draws its inspiration from their series. The Starfox characters, well... don't. Fox was entirely made up, and Falco and Wolf are basically just clones of him. There's really no reason to have three Starfox reps all with virtually identical made-up movesets. None of them even use Arwings!

There's a lot of stuff to draw inspiration from in the series, but most of it isn't really utilised. If they all come back, they really need to be further, if not totally decloned.

Based on Toon Link's moveset not changing, I doubt that will happen soon.

 

[Headcrab Jackalope]

New page, new experimental Prediction/Wish Roster!

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I think I should explain my new choices.

Anna: It's become increasingly apparent that uniqueness is a major factor in newcomer selection. Which is why I can't see them adding Chrom by himself. It would be, quite honestly, a waste of a slot.

I think Anna is a viable candidate on her own for many reasons. One of the reasons Awakening was so successful is because of it's DLC, and all the present FE characters represent that. Anna would too, as she's featured extensively in the DLC chapters (including as a boss) and is basically it's mascot. Besides, she's been present in every game in the series. I don't think she's a mascot or anything, but she stands out and has history, and I think that she has a good, viable chance to get in.

Pac-Man: Pac-Man represents the Arcade era, which is where Nintendo's business really began. This Pac-Man doesn't speak; he uses sound effects from the classic arcade game.

I-I really love this roster. You gots da K. Rool and da Ridley. And you got Anna, who would be way cooler than Chrom. Ghirahim is one of the few Zelda characters I would accept over Tingle. Palutena and Shulk are cool too. Don't mind Pac-Man either.
Literally my only problem with it is Mewtwo. I despise him as a Pokémon, but he is super deserving.....

9.999999999999999999999999999999999999999/10

Here's my roster for shenanigans. Obviously a wish roster, but with some predictions. Chorus Men are essentially a placeholder for another character, but I think they're cute or whatever, even though I don't believe in the leak.

 

[Kenith]

Yes.
Cuts: Pokemon Trainer, and Solid Snake
Additions: Ganon (Ghirahim), Hades, Black Shadow, Ridley, Mewtwo, and Waluigi.

Isn't it awesome and likely?

It's awesome. I'm amazed I could avoid including such great characters.

 

[Morbi]

Would your favorite color by any chance be purple?

Indeed.

I was too lazy to look up the Hex Color; the default purple is too dark to read. But you inspired me.

I think if any character should be cut, a Starfox rep is the obvious choice. Almost every other character in Smash Bros. draws its inspiration from their series. The Starfox characters, well... don't. Fox was entirely made up, and Falco and Wolf are basically just clones of him. There's really no reason to have three Starfox reps all with virtually identical made-up movesets. None of them even use Arwings!

There's a lot of stuff to draw inspiration from in the series, but most of it isn't really utilised. If they all come back, they really need to be further, if not totally decloned.

Their specials are modeled after Arwing features.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

New page, new experimental Prediction/Wish Roster!

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I think I should explain my new choices.

Anna: It's become increasingly apparent that uniqueness is a major factor in newcomer selection. Which is why I can't see them adding Chrom by himself. It would be, quite honestly, a waste of a slot.

I think Anna is a viable candidate on her own for many reasons. One of the reasons Awakening was so successful is because of it's DLC, and all the present FE characters represent that. Anna would too, as she's featured extensively in the DLC chapters (including as a boss) and is basically it's mascot. Besides, she's been present in every game in the series. I don't think she's a mascot or anything, but she stands out and has history, and I think that she has a good, viable chance to get in.

Pac-Man: Pac-Man represents the Arcade era, which is where Nintendo's business really began. This Pac-Man doesn't speak; he uses sound effects from the classic arcade game.

This is a decent roster, and a relatively safe prediction, but it's a little bloated at 51 characters. I think I would cut Ghirahim; I like him, but he's only been in one game. There are a lot of characters that have been around forever that deserve a spot on the roster.

The addition of Anna is one I approve of; I would much rather a female Fire Emblem rep takes the third spot.

 

[Andinus]

>Ike
>Cheap moves
>Ike is literally slower than a snail

Just kidding, but really. The start/end lag on his moves give you plenty of time to avoid.

I totally agree, but in team battle situations it can be a bit different as you probably know. I still remember him once getting me out with a quick forward smash on battlefield at 62%. I was like WTF, seriously?

 

[Rockaphin]

New page, new experimental Prediction/Wish Roster!

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I think I should explain my new choices.

Anna: It's become increasingly apparent that uniqueness is a major factor in newcomer selection. Which is why I can't see them adding Chrom by himself. It would be, quite honestly, a waste of a slot.

I think Anna is a viable candidate on her own for many reasons. One of the reasons Awakening was so successful is because of it's DLC, and all the present FE characters represent that. Anna would too, as she's featured extensively in the DLC chapters (including as a boss) and is basically it's mascot. Besides, she's been present in every game in the series. I don't think she's a mascot or anything, but she stands out and has history, and I think that she has a good, viable chance to get in.

Pac-Man: Pac-Man represents the Arcade era, which is where Nintendo's business really began. This Pac-Man doesn't speak; he uses sound effects from the classic arcade game.

Why'd you remove Paper Mario from the roster? Lower the character amount?

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Thoughts on some kind of Denpa Men Stage?

 

[False Sense]

As with every roster I make, Anna and Ghirahim aren't going anywhere, you might as well just ignore them.

And Pac-Man's more retro than Takamaru.

I guess I can't really debate Ghirahim and Anna with you, though I would still question the idea of Pac-Man being a retro character. I believe what Sakurai said regarding retro characters was that he would like to add a character from an old series he could revive, similar to how he did with Kid Icarus after adding Pit to Brawl. Pac-Man doesn't need to be revived.

 

[Kenith]

This is a decent roster, and a relatively safe prediction, but it's a little bloated at 51 characters. I think I would cut Ghirahim; I like him, but he's only been in one game. There are a lot of characters that have been around forever that deserve a spot on the roster.

The addition of Anna is one I approve of; I would much rather a female Fire Emblem rep takes the third spot.

Lucas, Sheik, Ness, Greninja, one game. Esp. Sheik.

It doesn't matter. Especially Sheik.

Why'd you remove Paper Mario from the roster? Lower the character amount?

Yes, I had to remove him and Krystal, sadly. It's still 52 characters I believe, which is more than I wanted.

 

[Morbi]

I guess I can't really debate Ghirahim and Anna with you, though I would still question the idea of Pac-Man being a retro character. I believe what Sakurai said regarding retro characters was that he would like to add a character from an old series he could revive, similar to how he did with Kid Icarus after adding Pit to Brawl. Pac-Man doesn't need to be revived.

Pac-Man wouldn't necessarily be just a retro character though, he would predominately be a third-party character.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

It slightly angers me that I saved my roster for two pages and everyone ignores it...

I'd be down with your roster except two: Anna and Ghirahim. No Isaac is somewhat disappointing as well

9/10

I think if any character should be cut, a Starfox rep is the obvious choice. Almost every other character in Smash Bros. draws its inspiration from their series. The Starfox characters, well... don't. Fox was entirely made up, and Falco and Wolf are basically just clones of him. There's really no reason to have three Starfox reps all with virtually identical made-up movesets. None of them even use Arwings!

WHY? WHY MUST an StarFox character be cut? Just because they are somewhat semi-clones of each other in Brawl doesn't mean they don't deserve to come back. Just tweak their movesets a little more and give Falco and Wolf better FS that they deserve

/rant

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Made this a few hours ago. Critique at will, it's slightly based on the Melee design.

Updated Roster: Ike Edition​

Changes from Previous Roster:
-Jigglypuff is gone
-Lucas Returns
​

The only thing that just doesn't work is the artwork you have for King K Rool

 

[Morbi]

The only thing that just doesn't work is the artwork you have for King K Rool

What are you on about? That is the best part of his roster! Seriously.

I'd be down with your roster except two: Anna and Ghirahim. No Isaac is somewhat disappointing as well

9/10


WHY? WHY MUST an StarFox character be cut? Just because they are somewhat semi-clones of each other in Brawl doesn't mean they don't deserve to come back. Just tweak their movesets a little more and give Falco and Wolf better FS that they deserve

/rant

Because Star Fox is dormant; you asked for a reason, you didn't ask for a logical one.

 

[Bowserlick]

Sakurai really missed the boat/Arwing. He had the chance to put in Andross with a body and actually expand the Starfox universe in diversity, but instead went the safe path with "Uncle Andross" as an AT.

 

[Kenith]

I'd be down with your roster except two: Anna and Ghirahim.

Looks pretty good, I think. Although I still question Anna and Ghirahim...

This is a decent roster, and a relatively safe prediction, but it's a little bloated at 51 characters. I think I would cut Ghirahim.

I GET IT. I GET IT.

I have terrible taste, I know. I've already added the disclaimer, what more do you want? :'(

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

Literally my only problem with it is Mewtwo. I despise him as a Pokémon

Despise? That's a little intense. There are many evils in this world, but Mewtwo isn't one of them.
Have you ever considered indifference as an alternative to extreme feelings toward inconsequential things?

Regarding your roster, I love the addition of King Boo and Chorus Men. I'm having a little trouble working out how Slime would work as a character, though.

 

[False Sense]

I GET IT.

I have terrible taste, I know. I've already added the disclaimer, what more do you want?

Cuts. Obviously.

 

[Morbi]

Sakurai really missed the boat. He had the chance to put in Andross with a body and actually expand the Starfox universe in diversity, but instead went the safe path with "Uncle Andross" as an AT.

This isn't the unpopular opinions thread.
http://smashboards.com/threads/unpopular-smash-4-opinions-share-them-here.342955/

Andross with a body would ruin his character! HE IS TOO BIG!

 

[Bowserlick]

He wasn't always too big. And I am sure Andross has no problem with time travel. He is a genius and clearly understands the workings of spacetime. Plus he has a perfect final Smash lined up. Too Big Andross.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

What are you on about? That is the best part of his roster! Seriously.


Because Star Fox is dormant; you asked for a reason, you didn't ask for a logical one.

I call bull**** on that. Still doesn't give Falco and Wolf fans to become disappointed over their characters getting cut. If anything, both are staying

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

WHY? WHY MUST an StarFox character be cut? Just because they are somewhat semi-clones of each other in Brawl doesn't mean they don't deserve to come back. Just tweak their movesets a little more and give Falco and Wolf better FS that they deserve

/rant

It's not that I think a Starfox character must be cut (I'd be happy for every character to return), but it has three reps that are all clones. Seriously, there isn't a single other character that warrants cutting before Wolf or Falco.

If Wolf and Falco returned with the same movesets, but Lucas got cut, that wouldn't be right.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

It's not that I think a Starfox character must be cut (I'd be happy for every character to return), but it has three reps that are all clones. Seriously, there isn't a single other character that warrants cutting before Wolf or Falco.

Might wanna check your research again. They're all semi-clones of each other.

Semi cloned =/= Completely cloned

At least Wolf's specials were different than the normal Fox/Falco specials

 

[Morbi]

I call bull**** on that. Still doesn't give Falco and Wolf fans to become disappointed over their characters getting cut. If anything, both are staying

I never insinuated anything antithetical to that notion. Falco and Wolf are both clearly going to return, just like Toon Link, just like Lucario, and just like Ike. People can "speculate" against them all they want, it doesn't change anything objectively.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

Might wanna check your research again. They're all semi-clones of each other.

Semi cloned =/= Completely cloned

At least Wolf's specials were different than the normal Fox/Falco specials

Semi-cloned, cloned, whatever. I don't want them to be cut, but every other character should be cut... less.
Falco or Wolf should definitely be reworked, though.

 

[Kenith]

Cuts. Obviously.

Oh, well, that's too bad.

 

[Rockaphin]

Yes, I had to remove him and Krystal, sadly. It's still 52 characters I believe, which is more than I wanted.

Ah alright, just wondering. I figured it had something to do with the volume of characters.
There's always a possibility of DLC

I GET IT.

I have terrible taste, I know. I've already added the disclaimer, what more do you want? :'(

I'll add to it and say that. . . I don't like Ghirahim.
But I know the feels, I have some. . . Different opinions on highly popular characters.
I prefer Medusa over Palutena for instance.

 

[Morbi]

Might wanna check your research again. They're all semi-clones of each other.

Semi cloned =/= Completely cloned

At least Wolf's specials were different than the normal Fox/Falco specials

No, YOU might want to check YOUR research again; Wolf isn't a semi-clone.

 

[TumblrFamous]

It slightly angers me that I saved my roster for two pages and everyone ignores it...

Who are you?

 

[Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur]

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Your roster look exactly the same as my roster but I have Isaac, Ghirahim,
Jigglypuff, and Ridley.

I would be thrilled with this roster overall.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

No, YOU might want to check YOUR research again; Wolf isn't a semi-clone.

All his specials are based on Fox and Falco's. What else could he be?

 

[Morbi]

Semi-cloned, cloned, whatever. I don't want them to be cut, but every other character should be cut... less.
Falco or Wolf should definitely be reworked, though.

I would LOVE to see how Sakurai "reworks" Wolf, I cannot even fathom Wolf finally having a different down-special. It was SO annoying to deal with that franchise specific move.

 

[Kenith]

Who are you?

I don't remember. I think I was the Demon Lord Propagandist. Not sure anymore.

 

[Bowserlick]

Might wanna check your research again. They're all semi-clones of each other.

Semi cloned =/= Completely cloned

At least Wolf's specials were different than the normal Fox/Falco specials

Hardly different.
His laser acted like Falco's.
His Up b was just multi-hitting.
His Side B just went in a diagonal.
And his reflector has a few different properties that the casual player would not notice besides the color.
His Final Smash seals the deal.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

This stupid StarFox argument I'm not gonna bother taking a part of. JDN would yell at me on the spot as usual, because everyone's gonna know what I have to say

 

[Kenith]

Ah alright, just wondering. I figured it had something to do with the volume of characters.
There's always a possibility of DLC

I designed it with DLC in mind.

I'll add to it and say that. . . I don't like Ghirahim.
But I know the feels, I have some. . . Different opinions on highly popular characters.
I prefer Medusa over Palutena for instance.

That's fine. But I would prefer if people gave me a good reason for cutting him (and anyone else I like) instead of assuming that they're such ludicrous character choices that I already know why they will "never" happen.

 

[Rockaphin]

I think Wolf would be a unique character if they changed his specials because his normal attacks felt more different than Falco's when comparing to Fox. And I'll say this again, I think Wolf is a little more important than Falco, but neither really need to be cut. Just reworked a bit.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

I would LOVE to see how Sakurai "reworks" Wolf, I cannot even fathom Wolf finally having a different down-special. It was SO annoying to deal with that franchise specific move.

There's such a huge variety of moves to choose from in Starfox now. Gatling guns, grenades, rocket launchers, Krystal's staff, etc. etc. etc.

If Snake gets cut, his moves could be re-appropriated for Starfox characters. I'd actually like to see a Starfox rep with a trap-based moveset. Laying mines, remote turrets, etc. It's all stuff that has been in the series that a really great moveset could be constructed from.

 

[Morbi]

All his specials are based on Fox and Falco's. What else could he be?

Each character has about 15 attacks; if my repugnant math skills are accurate. So; let us, for one second, pretend that Wolf shares all 4 special attacks (which he does not).

15-4= 11, if I am not mistaken.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/semi
Here is the definition of semi, as you clearly do not already comprehend it.

So I don't know what else he could be; however, I do know what he cannot be.

 

[Kenith]

This stupid StarFox argument I'm not gonna bother taking a part of. JDN would yell at me on the spot as usual, because everyone's gonna know what I have to say

I don't know who JDN is, and I imagine it is related to Krystal's Staff?

edit: Nvm. I know who you mean.