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Grunty and Mumbo, are who I want in Smash. God how I love Gruntilda
 
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I know nothing about Takamaru, Lip, or Mach Rider. But I do know that, out of those three, I'm extremely interested in a new Murasame Castle.
Plus, samurai are really ****ing cool.
I disagree, I'd love to see Nintendo's attempt take on a gritty stylized game using Mach Rider.
machriderunchainedwhydidyouhavetobefaaaaaake???
So... uh, Mach Rider is a reverse trap?
Not confirmed, but still possible.
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ALSO I DID ANOTHER ROSTER THING

Figured I'd better put my money where my mouth is and put Black Shadow on my roster since I was advocating for him kinda heavily these past few days.
Oh and it's changed a lot visually, now going with the color theme everyone uses in their fake leaks. Thought it looked nice, so I tried my own take on it.
49 Characters, 53 total with transformations in mind.

As per usual, I'd love to hear your thoughts if you'd like to share any.
 
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I disagree, I'd love to see Nintendo's attempt take on a gritty stylized game using Mach Rider.
machriderunchainedwhydidyouhavetobefaaaaaake???
Not confirmed, but still possible.
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ALSO I DID ANOTHER ROSTER THING

Figured I'd better put my money where my mouth is and put Black Shadow on my roster since I was advocating for him kinda heavily these past few days.
Oh and it's changed a lot visually, now going with the color theme everyone uses in their fake leaks. Thought it looked nice, so I tried my own take on it.
49 Characters, 53 total with transformations in mind.

As per usual, I'd love to hear your thoughts if you'd like to share any.
After your praise for Mach Rider, your lack of him on a roster disturbs me. That's my bias though, he's my most wanted newcomer. Other than that this looks pretty standard. I hope you are right about Robin being in, but I cannot see Robin without Chrom in the roster somewhere, so I view them Robin as unlikely. 12 newcomers is a nice round number, as well. That being said, 53 movesets, most of which are presumably unique, is a pretty large set. I can't imagine over 45 reasonably, although in my dreams 50 is the case.
 

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After your praise for Mach Rider, your lack of him on a roster disturbs me. That's my bias though, he's my most wanted newcomer.
Well when it comes to the "realistic" retro characters, Mach has always been my pic. I've just always seen a bit more potential in Muddy than in Mach though. If Muddy wasn't on the roster right now, Mach probably would be. Even then the retro position is more of a placeholder than an actual legit prediction anyways. Don't know who, but I'm sure a retro character will probably show up. Muddy is just my #1 preferred choice, Mach Rider would be my 2nd one.
Other than that this looks pretty standard. I hope you are right about Robin being in, but I cannot see Robin without Chrom in the roster somewhere, so I view them Robin as unlikely.
Robin is sort of a placeholder I guess, I see a third Fire Emblem character appearing regardless of who it is. But I'd prefer Robin or Lucina as that third character.
12 newcomers is a nice round number, as well. That being said, 53 movesets, most of which are presumably unique, is a pretty large set. I can't imagine over 45 reasonably, although in my dreams 50 is the case.
I don't see the transformation characters getting scrapped and neither do I see any vets (except Snake for a variety of reasons) getting cut unless time constraints come into play. So I'd like to think of this as the planned roster.
 

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Dream Roster?

I can't really whip up a quick picture of it (roster maker doesn't work on my computer), but here it is:


Mario Series:
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Toad
Rosalina
Bowser
Paper Mario

DK Series:
DK
Diddy
Dixie
Cranky
K. Rool

Yoshi Series:
Yoshi
Kamek

Wario Series:
Wario

Legend of Zelda:
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Tetra

Metroid:
Samus
Ridley

Kirby Series:
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede
Waddle Dee (with Spear)

Star Fox:
Fox
Falco
Krystal
Wolf

Pokemon:
Pikachu
PKMN Trainer (Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard)
Meowth
Jigglypuff
Lucario
Zoroark
Mewtwo

F-Zero:
Captain Falcon
Samurai Goroh

MOTHER:
Ness
Lucas
Claus

Fire Emblem:
Marth
Ike
Chrom
Avatar

Kid Icarus:
Pit
Palutena
Medusa
Hades

Others:
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game & Watch
Olimar
R.O.B.
Villager
Wii Fit Trainer
Takamaru
Excitebiker
Ray (Custom Robo)
Starfy
Isaac
Shulk

3rd Party:
Snake
Sonic
Mega Man
Simon Belmont
Hero (Dragon Quest)
Banjo-Kazooie
Professor Layton

Total:
70 Characters
Including 7 Guest Characters
 

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While i do agree that it would be cool to have these transformations, seeing PKMN Trainer makes me doubt it would be worth it. PKMN Trainer suffered from lackluster mechanics, and I feel Sable would be in the same boat. Not to mention, balancing takes a LOT of time, and the resources allocated necessary for development, IMO, would be too much.
It's going to be worth it, his transformations is not grow weary and weak like the Trainer's stamina gimmick. :cry:
Stop doubting Sakurai's capabilities when he has characters like Olimar and Rosalina and Luma in the game.
 

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But he gave wario 2 characters... That's the deal here. I don't normally criticize people for not having another Yoshi character but this is an exception.
Ashley is an Assist Trophy though, so that doesn't really count when we're talking about playable rep inputs.
 

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I think it would be neat to have another Yoshi rep if Earthbound can get 2 reps then I don't see the problem with Yoshi getting another one
 

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While I don't think a new Yoshi character is a priority, I do think it's more than justifiable. When compared to other series, the Yoshi series is decently consistent in new releases, and Kamek is a stand-out secondary character.
 

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While I don't think a new Yoshi character is a priority, I do think it's more than justifiable. When compared to other series, the Yoshi series is decently consistent in new releases, and Kamek is a stand-out secondary character.
I agree. Yoshi series could deserve one more rep. And I think Kamek would be the perfect spot for the job. Some people say he only fires those three colored squares. But in the Paper Mario series,Magikoopas are basically an assemble of Kamek. Color Palettes are already proven,but also in the Paper Mario games,the multi-colored Magikoopas use different magic for each color,fire,ice,growing,shrinking,etc. The possibilities are endless for Kamek. Beats Baby Mario and Baby Luigi duo...
 

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The Japanese name for the species Magikoopa is Kamek. The specific Kamek (Bowser's assistant/caretaker) is in a similar boat to the specific Toad. He's also much more fleshed out in other spin-offs, like the Mario and Luigi series.
 

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The Japanese name for the species Magikoopa is Kamek. The specific Kamek (Bowser's assistant/caretaker) is in a similar boat to the specific Toad. He's also much more fleshed out in other spin-offs, like the Mario and Luigi series.
From what I understand, Toad is not a character in Japan. So the situation is a bit different.
 
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Reporting this here to spark some diacussion:

Here's something interesting I saw on GAF: http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=100404923

Ryce said:
Looking back at Heath's pre-E3 roster prediction percentages, so much for "obvious" newcomers:
Mega Man - 58.83%
Rosalina - 4.21%
Villager - 0.84%
Wii Fit Trainer - 0%
Here is a full chart from Heath's contest over on GAF: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=581179&page=4

[for background, the competition is run by a user named IntelliHeath -- who also happens to be a user here -- and he collected the results of about 120 NeoGAF users who participated]

Confirmed Characters
Mario - 100%
Bowser - 99.16%
Link - 100%
Samus - 99.16%
Kirby - 99.16%
Fox - 99.16%
Pit - 97.48%
Donkey Kong - 98.32%
Pikachu - 100%
Villager - 0.84%
Mega Man - 58.83%
Wii Fit Trainer - 0%
Captain Olimar - 92.44%
Luigi - 100%
Princess Peach - 100%
Toon Link - 71.43%
Sonic - 89.08%
Marth - 95.80%
Rosalina - 4.21%
Zelda - 99.16%
King Dedede - 92.44%
Lucario - 36.14%

Unconfirmed Characters

Mushroom Kingdom
Waluigi - 32.77%
Bowser Jr. - 22.69%
Paper Mario - 15.97%
Toad - 7.56%
Captain Syrup - 6.73%
Daisy - 2.53%
Fawful - 1.68%

Yoshi's Island
Yoshi - 100%
Kamek - 1.68%
Yarn Yoshi - 2.53%
Baby Bowser - 1.68%

WarioWare
Wario - 96.64%
Ashley - 2.53%
Mona - 1.68%

Legend of Zelda
Ganondorf - 91.60%
Sheik - 79.83%
Ghirahim - 26.05%
Tingle - 11.77%
Impa - 10.93%
LTTP Link - 10.09%
Tetra - 8.41%
Toon Zelda - 7.56%
Skull Kid - 5.89%
Demise - 4.21%
TP Wolf Link - 4.21%
Ganon - 2.53%
Young Link - 2.53%

Metroid
Zero Suit Samus - 84.04%
Ridley - 59.67%

Kirby
Metaknight - 95.80%
Prince Fluff - 4.21%
Yarn Kirby - 2.53%
Waddle Dee - 1.68%

Star Fox
Falco - 89.92%
Wolf - 74.79%
Krystal - 16.81%
Peppy - 1.68%
Slippy - 1.68%

Kid Icarus
Palutena - 66.39%
Hades - 12.61%
Medusa - 10.09%
Dark Pit - 9.25%
Magnus - 5.89%
Viridi - 1.68%

Donkey Kong Country
Diddy Kong - 93.28%
King K. Rool - 31.10%
Dixie Kong - 22.69%
Donkey and Diddy Kong - 1.68%

Pokémon
Jigglypuff - 90.76%
Pokemon Trainer - 89.08%
Mewtwo - 70.59%
Newtwo - 47.90%
Pokemon Trainer's Charizard - 46.22%
Pokemon Trainer's Ivysaur - 46.22%
Pokemon Trainer's Squirtle - 46.22%
Pokemon X/Y - 29.42%
Zoroark - 10.09%
Second Pokemon Trainer - 7.56%
Genesect - 3.36%
Pokemon Rival - 2.53%
Victini - 2.53%
Meowth - 1.68%

Animal Crossing
Tom Nook - 10.09%
Mr. Resetti - 1.68%

Advance Wars
Andy - 4.21%
Sami - 1.68%

Earthbound
Ness - 99.16%
Lucas - 79%
Kumatora - 2.53%
Paula - 2.53%
Porky - 2.53%
Masked Man - 1.68%

F-Zero
Captain Falcon - 100%
Samurai Goroh - 9.25%
Black Shadow - 7.56%

Fire Emblem
Chrom - 76.47%
Ike - 47.90%
Roy - 15.97%
Lucina - 13.45%
Lyn - 6.73%
Robin - 5.89%
Chrom & Lucina - 1.68%
Tharja - 1.68%

Golden Sun
Isaac - 36.14%
Matthew - 1.68%

Pikmin
Pikmin 3 Main Character - 5.05%
Louie - 1.68%
The President - 1.68%

Punch-Out
Little Mac - 60.51%
King Hippo - 2.53%

Retro
Ice Climbers - 94.12%
Mr. Game and Watch - 94.12%
R.O.B. - 82.36%
Takamaru - 58.83%
Mike Jones - 10.93%
Balloon Fighter - 6.73%
Sheriff - 5.05%
Mach Rider - 4.21%
Duck Hunt Dog - 3.36%
Sukapon - 2.53%

Sin & Punishment
Saki Amamiya - 9.25%
Isa and Katchi - 1.68%

The Last Story
Aeron - 1.68%
Zael - 1.68%

Xenoblade & X
Shulk - 64.71%
X's Representative - 3.36%

Misc.
Wonder-Red - 24.37%
Mii - 20.17%
Dillon - 14.29%
Retro's new IP protagonist - 6.73%
Chibi-Robo - 5.05%
Ray MK III - 4.21%
Stafy - 3.36%
Tempo - 2.53%
Jill - 1.68%
Mallo - 1.68%

Third-Party
Snake - 60.51%
Pac-Man - 57.15%
Bayonetta - 31.10%
Professor Layton - 10.93%
Tails - 10.93%
Geno - 7.56%
Lloyd Irving - 6.73%
Rayman - 6.73%
Klonoa - 4.21%
Ryu Street Fighter - 4.21%
Simon Belmont - 4.21%
Travis Touchdown - 4.21%
Knuckles - 2.53%
Maxwell - 2.53%
Phoenix Wright - 2.53%
Shantae - 2.53%
Siegfried - 2.53%
Chase McCain - 1.68%
Crono - 1.68%
Goku - 1.68%
Heihachi - 1.68%
Jin Kazama - 1.68%
Monster Hunter's Hunter - 1.68%
Quote - 1.68%
Robotnik - 1.68%
 
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Are those chance ratings similar to the Rate Their Chances thread here?
 

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Are those chance ratings similar to the Rate Their Chances thread here?
No. Everyone submitted rosters, textually or visually, of what they believed the final roster would be. What IntelliHeath did is go back and count every time that character appeared on someone's roster and created an overall frequency percentage. Of course you can always PM Heath yourself if you have any other questions.
 
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I see.

Looking though the numbers, GAF doesn't seem to think Lil' Mac to be a shoo-in. Heck, Chrom is more expected than him.
 

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Well these results were taken from around when Awakening was at its popularity peak.
 

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Good afternoon all, hope you're all doing well, and I'm glad to see this thread doing well so far as it's taking its first baby steps towards being the spiritual successor of the old thread. So I start my first post in this new thread with this...
This is the big end to Ridley problems, or at least a huge step in the right direction. Oh yeah, and BTW, Mewtwo, Ridley and Shulk for Smash Bros, all deserving, all unique, all awesome. :p
 

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I see.

Looking though the numbers, GAF doesn't seem to think Lil' Mac to be a shoo-in. Heck, Chrom is more expected than him.
Remember, this was before E3, so the "Leaky 3" hadn't been dropped yet. Chrom has always been relatively popular/expected on GAF.
 

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I think that when Sakurai finalized the Smash 4 roster, Awakening had peaked in popularity.
Which is why I really consider an Awakening rep inevitable, and I believe it to be Chrom.
 

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He appears on rosters frequently still. I don't see why everyone on this site just puts their hands over their ears and closes their eyes when it comes to Chrom. (Especially when the alternatives are JUST as awful)


Also, if anyone has any ideas as to where to take my poll next, let me know. I've taken it to (And this is going to be ordered from most votes to least votes): Reddit, Smashboards, NeoGaf, 4chan, IGN, Pokebeach, Disqus, ProjectCrusade, Nintendolife, Serenasforest, Serebii, Starmen, Neoseeker, A Smash Google group thing, screwattack, and tumblr.

I'm going to stop by some places on reddit, and drop the poll off, and I keep it up over at 4chan pretty regularly. Any suggestions?
 
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