Character Discussion Thread

[FinalStarmen]

Speaking of bossing around...

Ridley

Anyone other than Ariand/AEM considering the possibility of a playable boss mode?

If so, who do you think would be included in that fashion?

Alongside others, I have considered the idea of implementing boss characters in a playable fashion (albeit within the restricted confines of specifically-inclined game mode). Although, I would expect this to only apply to Master/Crazy Hand, and (if he truly is relegated within another supporting role... again) Ridley. A food for thought, so to speak.

However, given the poisonously-radioactive environment of the toxic Ridley-related discussions, I refrain from even mentioning this without the apprehensive fear of triggering hideously-ugly (or pretentious) debates. It is a sensitive issue which should, but not necessarily can, be handled delicately.

 

[Morbi]

Alongside others, I have considered the idea of implementing boss characters in a playable fashion (albeit within the restricted confines of specifically-inclined game mode). Although, I would expect this to only apply to Master/Crazy Hand, and (if he truly is relegated within another supporting role... again) Ridley. A food for thought, so to speak.

However, given the poisonously-radioactive environment of the toxic Ridley-related discussions, I refrain from even mentioning this without the apprehensive fear of triggering hideously-ugly (or pretentious) debates. It is a sensitive issue which should, but not necessarily can, be handled delicately.

I miss when Fire Emblem debates were the most hideously-ugly (repugnant) and pretentious debates; what ever happened to those? People started to admit that Chrom was the most ideal choice?!

 

[Bowserlick]

I think a Star Fox rail shooter using the Wii U tablet for schematics and pilot controls would be fine.

Sakurai likes Star Fox and rail shooters, he should revive the franchise.

A step would be making Wolf more interesting in Smash with different specials.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

What's even weirder is that in Brawl, the lightest character is also the slowest (Jigglypuff).

On the ground, yes. However, Jigglypuff has one of the best aerial speeds out there, while Ganondorf is sluggish on the ground AND in the air.

 

[Morbi]

On the ground, yes. However, Jigglypuff has one of the best aerial speeds out there, while Ganondorf is sluggish on the ground AND in the air.

He is even more sluggish because of his high-falling speed, as opposed to Jigglypuff, who doesn't really even fall.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

He is even more sluggish because of his high-falling speed, as opposed to Jigglypuff, who doesn't really even fall.

Another oddity is that Fox is much lighter than Samus, but he falls like an anvil, while Samus falls like a feather. Falling speed can really play a factor on how far a fighter can be sent flying.

 

[D-idara]

If Chrom represents Fire Emblem: Awakening, then wow the game must suck.

You didn't just say Awakening sucks...

Chrom's awesome.

 

[Kenith]

You didn't just say Awakening sucks...

Chrom's awesome.

No, Awakening is awesome, and is full of unique, charming, and interesting characters.

Whether or not Chrom is any of those things is debatable.

 

[D-idara]

No, Awakening is awesome, and is full of unique, charming, and interesting characters.

Whether or not Chrom is any of those things is debatable.

Chrom's only considered unmemorable by people who didn't play Awakening and see him as another blue-haired swordsman, but his moveset could be pretty unique, and a balance between Ike's Power and Marth's speed wouldn't make him a semi clone, stats don't make you a clone, moveset does.

And he has material for a pretty exciting, unique moveset, just think about a Naga's Fire FS.

And I would like Robin only if you could customize them, maybe call them 'Grima' or something, because I feel no attachment to a version of Robin I didn't choose.

 

[FlareHabanero]

You didn't just say Awakening sucks...

Chrom's awesome.

Fire Emblem: Awakening did feel like a step backwards. The very lackluster writing and horrible balance being the most notable flaws.

 

[Gunla]

Chrom's only considered unmemorable by people who didn't play Awakening and see him as another blue-haired swordsman, but his moveset could be pretty unique, and a balance between Ike's Power and Marth's speed wouldn't make him a semi clone, stats don't make you a clone, moveset does.

I played Awakening a ton and I still find him unmemorable.
And if he's playable, which is pretty likely, Sakurai will do something with his moveset. Whether it's a semi-clone or not is up to him. The potential is there, but it is not always taken.

Fire Emblem: Awakening did feel like a step backwards. The very lackluster writing and horrible balance being the most notable flaws.

Also this because it's broken. I don't want a one man tank winning my games. That's Disgaea.

 

[Opossum]

D-Idara, I respect the Chrom enthusiasm and all, but that's sort of a generalization. There are people who played Awakening and dislike Chrom. It's just a matter of opinion. And getting in just to "represent Awakening" would be kind of meh. :/

I fully support Chrom, though.

 

[Kenith]

Lucina's only considered unmemorable by people who didn't play Awakening and see her as another blue-haired swordswoman, but her moveset could be pretty unique, and a balance between Ike's Power and Marth's speed wouldn't make her a semi clone, stats don't make you a clone, moveset does.

Fixed for accuracy.

 

[D-idara]

You say that with a troll face; but the sad, sad, and very unfortunate truth is that it might be the case. You know Nintendo. I almost forgot about the Gamepad; surely they will force some unwarranted gimmick onto Smash with that horrible device!

I'd be horrified if Smash didn't have some Gamepad use...you must mean "They will add some cool FEATURE to Smash with that AMAZING DEVICE" because the Gamepad's the best thing ever, the best controller Nintendo has ever made, gimmicksayers make me laugh.

 

[Deleted member]

Well they didn't add a stupid gimmick involving the Wiimote.

I shouldn't count my chickens, but it's still possible.

 

[Will]

I'd be horrified if Smash didn't have some Gamepad use...you must mean "They will add some cool FEATURE to Smash with that AMAZING DEVICE" because the Gamepad's the best thing ever, the best controller Nintendo has ever made, gimmicksayers make me laugh.

And what does the 3DS get? A stylus add-on?

 

[D-idara]

Well they didn't add a stupid gimmick involving the Wiimote.

I shouldn't count my chickens, but it's still possible.

Yes, they didn't add a convenient Wiimote pointer option to select things that would've made everything more streamlined and simple, what a good choice, having good things and not using them, you know what? Nintendo should drop the Gravity 'gimmick' for a future Mario Galaxy, or the powerups 'gimmick' for the entire Mario series, or the barrel 'gimmick' from the DK series, or the morph ball 'gimmick' from the Metroid series.

And they actually had a """gimmick""" for Wiichuck users that lets you flick the Wiimote as a C-stick.

And yes, you should be allowed to choose menus with touchscreen and Wiimotes with Smash 4, keeping bad habits and glorifying them? At least there's no GCN controller on this game so there are no reasons to not include a pointer or a touchscreen feature, which would make picking characters 10X less annoying.

Also, it'd be really cool to have a mode where a player with the Gamepad manipulates the stage while the other players fight.

 

[Will]

Also, it'd be really cool to have a mode where a player with the Gamepad manipulates the stage while the other players fight.

This better not be happening online if this happens.

 

[Kenith]

Alright, here they are! Three different prediction/want rosters of differing sizes.

Let's begin.

[collapse=46 Characters]

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[collapse=50 Characters]

[/collapse]

[collapse=54 Characters]

Anna. No, really.
[/collapse]

Roast at your leisure.

 

[Will]

Alright, here they are! Three different prediction/want rosters of differing sizes.

Let's begin.

[collapse=46 Characters]

[/collapse]

[collapse=50 Characters]

[/collapse]

[collapse=54 Characters]

Anna. No, really.
[/collapse]

Roast at your leisure.

I'd have the 46 one.

 

[Sonic Poke]

@ Kenith . 50's perfect.
4's bad to me. Add Pacman/ Bayonetta in place of the Mach Rider. Isaac in the Anna's spot. Add a grass type Pokemon or Medusa instead of Paper Mario. Dixie is better than Krystal but I like her anyway. But it's just my opinion.

 

[Louie G.]

@ FlareHabanero
Awakening was a step backwards?
Was it the partner system? Ooh, or the fact that it saved the series and became one of the most successful and critically acclaimed 3DS games yet?
Sounds like a step in the right direction if you ask me.

And @ Kenith :
54 characters and neither Miis nor Pac-Man?
Give me a good reason why.

 

[BluePikmin11]

When Miis and Pac-Man are in the roster, you guys who didn't have them will regret having your bias being the reason you couldn't add them in your prediction roster.

 

[Deleted member]

Yes, they didn't add a convenient Wiimote pointer option to select things that would've made everything more streamlined and simple, what a good choice, having good things and not using them, you know what? Nintendo should drop the Gravity 'gimmick' for a future Mario Galaxy, or the powerups 'gimmick' for the entire Mario series, or the barrel 'gimmick' from the DK series, or the morph ball 'gimmick' from the Metroid series.

And they actually had a """gimmick""" for Wiichuck users that lets you flick the Wiimote as a C-stick.

And yes, you should be allowed to choose menus with touchscreen and Wiimotes with Smash 4, keeping bad habits and glorifying them? At least there's no GCN controller on this game so there are no reasons to not include a pointer or a touchscreen feature, which would make picking characters 10X less annoying.

Also, it'd be really cool to have a mode where a player with the Gamepad manipulates the stage while the other players fight.

You find picking characters tedious? Interesting...

I wasn't implying using the wiimote for menus is a bad thing. What I meant was a really pointless addition involving motion controls, like maybe a stage that involves clicking things on the screen or something. Using it for menus is not pointless, and is easier in some ways.

And there may be no GCN controller, but there's a pro controller.

 

[Kenith]

54 characters and neither Miis nor Pac-Man?
Give me a good reason why.

I've explained my reasons multiple times, yet no one ever listens. When I bring a sound argument against them, supporters will conjure up another one.

I legitimately don't expect them to be in, but everyone else does because either they were in a "credible" leak, or they deserve to be in somehow.

And frankly, that's why I don't like them. I see them as unfitting, forced characters that everyone considers shoo-ins because "a leak said so".

The bottom line is, I have my reasons for not having them, and I won't include them until we see for ourselves.

 

[False Sense]

I've explained my reasons multiple times, yet no one ever listens. When I bring a sound argument against them, supporters will conjure up another one.

I legitimately don't expect them to be in, but everyone else does because either they were in a "credible" leak, or they deserve to be in somehow.

And frankly, that's why I don't like them. I see them as unfitting, forced characters that everyone considers shoo-ins because "a leak said so".

The bottom line is, I have my reasons for not having them, and I won't include them until we see for ourselves.

I agree with you about the leak part. I feel like some people take that leak a little too seriously. (And by a little, I of course mean that they treat it like the word of God.)

Now personally, I think Pac-Man is a deserving character and has a fair chance at making it in. I'd even say the Miis are deserving, though at this point I find them unlikely. I can see why you'd be opposed to them, though, and I think the reasoning you've given for their exclusion is valid.

@ BluePikmin11 *If Miis and Pac-Man are in the roster.

 

[Rockaphin]

I'm neutral towards Mii's and Pac-Man, but I think both are very likely. Mii's are very deserving honestly.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

Question: If you could represent 4 new series in smash 4, what would they be? For me it would be:
-Golden Sun
-Custom Robo
-Sin and Punishment (Too bad saki got ATed )
-Xenoblade

-Xenoblade
-Golden Sun
-Rhythm Heaven
-Nazo no Murasame jo

 

[FlareHabanero]

@ FlareHabanero
Awakening was a step backwards?
Was it the partner system? Ooh, or the fact that it saved the series and became one of the most successful and critically acclaimed 3DS games yet?
Sounds like a step in the right direction if you ask me.

The incredibly clunky writing, the cringe worthy supports, the unhealthy amount of anime cliches, everyone being one dimensional, the game being incredibly easy to break, the lack of diversity with missions, and that shoehorned fanservice.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

We got wario's new alt costume

Spoiler

only he could pull it off

 

[Deleted member]

Am I the only one that doesn't find that even remotely disturbing?
I find it more hilarious than anything.

 

[Deleted member]

Am I the only one that doesn't find that even remotely disturbing?
I find it more hilarious than anything.

Nah, you're not the only one.

Seriously though, that should be Wario's alternate.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I see that Fire Emblem discussion has come up.

For the record, Smashboards has a lovely Fire Emblem Thread in the Light House where you can(and should) take all non-Smash Roster related Fire Emblem topics.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Might as well post this prediction roster before I leave this thread now:

Spoiler

I feel in my gut that I'll probably not change this unless a piece of news pops up.

 

[False Sense]

Might as well post this prediction roster before I leave this thread now:

Spoiler

I feel in my gut that I'll probably not change this unless a piece of news pops up.

-Dr. Kawashima
-No Jigglypuff
-Prince Sable? I thought his main gimmick was transformation?

 

[Robert of Normandy]

-Dr. Kawashima
-No Jigglypuff
-Prince Sable? I thought his main gimmick was transformation?

You must be new here.

That's just Blue being Blue.

 

[False Sense]

You must be new here.

That's just Blue being Blue.

You must be new here.

I always criticize Blue about this.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

We got wario's new alt costume

Spoiler

only he could pull it off

Probably the most disturbing sight that I've ever seen.

 

[Substitution]

Probably the most disturbing sight that I've ever seen.

You know you love it.

 

[Will]

You must be new here.

I always criticize Blue about this.

You all must be new.

Blue is in denial,nothing can stop him.