Character Discussion Thread

[Joe D.]

I guess you could say that he hasn't been deconfirmed...

...beyond the shadow of a doubt.

If you guys want more, PM me so I can tell you how to send me money.

...and that's my queue to go to sleep. I eagerly await for the backlash.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Sorry that i'm not one to instantly discredit an ambiguous suggestion that one of many different forms of a character could be a stage hazard.

Oh, and how silly of me to not jump to a conclusion that has absolutely no confirmation other than a shadow with nothing more shown on screen, and no specific name being mentioned of this hazard, while the stage before clearly mentioned the boss that is included.

Oh, and excuse me for thinking that there could be more to what was shown off, rather than jumping to an immediate conclusion without looking into all of the possibilities, and previous situations that were similar in nature. I guess I shouldn't have to worry, since you've clearly done enough of it for the both of us.

This vein attempt of defying what was clearly seen before our very eyes is going to lead you to some deep trouble.

But if you want to live in your happy little world of denial, continue to do so. But I say this as a fan of the inclusion of Ridley, and I don't want people like you to be disappointed. You better accept the fate fast, otherwise you learning the truth the hard hard will be the worst sting you'll ever encounter in this whole ordeal. It's ether jump ship or drown, and the smart move would be to abandon ship now before it's too late.

 

[Joe D.]

This vein attempt of defying what was clearly seen before our very eyes is going to lead you to some deep trouble.

But if you want to live in your happy little world of denial, continue to do so. But I say this as a fan of the inclusion of Ridley, and I don't want people like you to be disappointed. You better accept the fate fast, otherwise you learning the truth the hard hard will be the worst sting you'll ever encounter in this whole ordeal. It's ether jump ship or drown, and the smart move would be to abandon ship now before it's too late.

Believe it or not, I don't really care about Ridley's fate, but I don't see a legitimate reason to de-confirm him when we really received no official word. Sure, you saw that outline, but why was his name not mentioned? What Ridley is it? There's multiple variants. The point i'm making is, I want to see much more clear evidence that Ridley is de-confirmed, other than easy to counter hints. If i'm wrong, then so be it. Like I said, i'm just defending Ridley, but I could care less of his fate, since he was never one of my top priorities anyway.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

This vein attempt of defying what was clearly seen before our very eyes is going to lead you to some deep trouble.

Let's go over exactly what we saw:

1. A shadow in the shape of Ridley

2. Small portions of his left wing, which happen to be gray and straight-edged

3. The shadow stops mid-map, which can be compared to the actions of the Yellow Devil

From this, I would estimate that there is a gray-coloured boss with Ridley's shape on the Pyrosphere stage. My estimation is that the boss is incomplete, and those are just polygons. That said, it leaves three possibilities:

1. It's Meta-Ridley the entire time.

2. It's Ridley, but gets switched with Meta-Ridley when in battle.

3. Ridley's the boss, and that's that.

I think all are easy possibilities..

Edit: Now that I've seen for sure that the shadow was Other M Ridley, this is all worthless. I do, however, still have confidence in Ridley, for reasons you should see in my later posts.

 

[Sehnsucht]

This vein attempt of defying what was clearly seen before our very eyes is going to lead you to some deep trouble.

But if you want to live in your happy little world of denial, continue to do so. But I say this as a fan of the inclusion of Ridley, and I don't want people like you to be disappointed. You better accept the fate fast, otherwise you learning the truth the hard hard will be the worst sting you'll ever encounter in this whole ordeal. It's ether jump ship or drown, and the smart move would be to abandon ship now before it's too late.

What a curious post. Of what relevance is it that Person X is disappointed -- or is setting themselves up for disappointment -- over some aspect of a video game?

If Person X is experiencing Ridley Denial, they'd only be doing so for at maximum another 3-4 months (i.e. the 3DS release date). Then, when Ridley's absence from the roster is definitively shown, Person X will be disappointed (or not) and will buy the game(s) (or not) -- as will (or won't) the remainder of the Smash fandom.

If you find posts indicative of Ridley Denial to be disagreeable, perhaps even reprehensible -- on account of your love for the human race, of whom you wish the best -- then you'd similarly only have to put up with such displays for at maximum the 3DS release date. Then you can have a laugh (or not), inform those clinging to slim chances that they were misguided (or not), and so forth.

As for myself, I find disappointment to be the chocolate liqueur of the emotional spectrum. But then again, I engage in self-flagellation as a titillating bedtime ritual, so what do I know.

 

[IsmaR]

Why is this that important again? Let people believe whatever they like. No need to cry over who's in denial or whatever.

When whichever side is right gets confirmed, then good for them, they're right. No need to be such a **** about it, especially now of all times.

 

[Deleted member]

I suppose it has to do with the context with Wii Fit Trainer, considering she's one of the first newcomers revealed instead of one of the last like her kin tend to be. That part is admittedly surprising no matter who you ask. Though at the same time, being revealed that early allows people to stomach the inclusion for longer and it doesn't cause a sense of a character being stolen.

People have said Wii Fit Trainer would be the scapegoat similar to R.O.B., but now I think Chorus Kids would hold that honor.

Honestly, if by some miracle we get Pac-Man, Mii and Chorus Men at E3 2014, they'll all take part in receiving scapegoat for X character not getting in. That's how you create salt (although I do admit I want to see it just to see the salt).

So I was at work, when I came up with an interesting question.

Let's say that we get all of the biggest newcomers in this iteration of Smash. We get Ridley, K. Rool, Palutena, Mewtwo, every big kahuna. If we get all of these characters now, who do you think would be a dominant big request for the next Smash Bros.?

That's a good question. Maybe Bowser Jr. or Dixie if they don't get in and they remain relevant.

But I think we'll be done with Sakurai adding characters based on fan demand. There's not going to be anyone else with a size similar to that of pre-Brawl unless K. Rool/Krystal/Roy/Isaac/Ray misses out and make big appearances in their respective franchise again (or in the middle case, Star Fox actually getting a new game). Mewtwo is pretty much in at this point, Ridley's chances are dead if he fails to get into this game, we're likely done with third-party additions, etc.

That's why Sakurai has been focusing more on game play. He is preparing us for a change in emphasis in game play and I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai/his successor went even further on this in SSB6.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

People still don't know which version of Ridley that was on the Pyrosphere?

Spoiler

It's Other M Ridley, they have the same tail, (yes, it's a part of his tail, not a part of his wing) and why would it be any other version of Ridley? The Pyrosphere is where you fight Ridley in Other M.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Oh, wow. Never saw that. Well that`s definitely Other M Ridley, then. Personally, I think Other M's clone of Ridley is now disconfirmed because it`s Pyrosphere`s boss.

I also think, however, that the actual Ridley will be a playable character. It`s suspicious that Sakurai would be such a tease about Ridley just to reveal him as a boss, and only a boss. I initially thought that he`d just be a playable character instead, but making "Ridley" both a boss and playable character seems more likely to me, now, and also more befitting of Sakurai.

 

[N3ON]

There's no point in arguing or being definitive over something that has yet to be officially addressed and, despite what people say, still has some level of ambiguity.

Just bookmark the post and laugh should they turn out to be wrong. Simple.

I suppose it has to do with the context with Wii Fit Trainer, considering she's one of the first newcomers revealed instead of one of the last like her kin tend to be. That part is admittedly surprising no matter who you ask. Though at the same time, being revealed that early allows people to stomach the inclusion for longer and it doesn't cause a sense of a character being stolen.

People have said Wii Fit Trainer would be the scapegoat similar to R.O.B., but now I think Chorus Kids would hold that honor.

Her kin tend to be all over the place. For ever G&W and ROB there's also ICs, Snake, or ZSS, who get revealed right off the bat and are just as surprising, and who would also have become scapegoats of hate if they had been revealed at the end like the former characters.

 

[Basty]

That's only because the Pokemon Trainer was a transformer. Now that we don't have transformers in Smash anymore, it doesn't make sense to me.

Since when was a Pokemon Trainer in Transformers, jk

 

[Gune]

Oh, wow. Never saw that. Well that`s definitely Other M Ridley, then. Personally, I think Other M's clone of Ridley is now disconfirmed because it`s Pyrosphere`s boss.

I also think, however, that the actual Ridley will be a playable character. It`s suspicious that Sakurai would be such a tease about Ridley just to reveal him as a boss, and only a boss. I initially thought that he`d just be a playable character instead, but making "Ridley" both a boss and playable character seems more likely to me, now, and also more befitting of Sakurai.

Didn't sakurai say he was using other M designs this time around? If so couldn't that ultimately deconfirm ridley? Unless there is some big difference between ridley and other m ridley I don't see.

 

[Leafeon523]

Why is this that important again? Let people believe whatever they like. No need to cry over who's in denial or whatever.

When whichever side is right gets confirmed, then good for them, they're right. No need to be such a **** about it, especially now of all times.

This post= best Ridley statement ever

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Didn't sakurai say he was using other M designs this time around? If so couldn't that ultimately deconfirm ridley? Unless there is some big difference between ridley and other m ridley I don't see.

Samus is always the same person throughout each of the Metroid games, so it makes sense to use Samus' most recent canon design. Other M Ridley, however, is just a clone of Ridley. That said, a completely different entity. It's still very possible that Sakurai would use the most recent canon design for the original Ridley. Quite frankly, I think it'd be very fitting for Sakurai to do this. He`d be teasing the hell out of us, and then making both of the possibilities a reality.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

We're not getting Ridley.

Stop it.

I honestly think you should be doing that yourself. I for one am not removing Ridley from my roster until we get this mess cleaned up from the direct

 

[False Sense]

People still don't know which version of Ridley that was on the Pyrosphere?

Spoiler

It's Other M Ridley, they have the same tail, (yes, it's a part of his tail, not a part of his wing) and why would it be any other version of Ridley? The Pyrosphere is where you fight Ridley in Other M.

Thank you. It's best that everyone arguing about Ridley understands exactly what it was we saw in that Direct. That's definitely a tail, not a wing.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Even Impa has better chances now than Ridley.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Man I sure am so glad that Toon Link was deconfirmed, he's far better as a background element on a train than an actual playable character!

No possible way he could be a character, he's on that there train, that's blatantly him not being playable yup. Best cut since Pichu.

 

[Diddy Kong]

When Ridley enters the battle, Kraid is left in charge of the train PyroSphere.
Kraid: "Leave it to me!"

Sorry... Don't see that happening.

 

[Andinus]

So I was at work, when I came up with an interesting question.

Let's say that we get all of the biggest newcomers in this iteration of Smash. We get Ridley, K. Rool, Palutena, Mewtwo, every big kahuna. If we get all of these characters now, who do you think would be a dominant big request for the next Smash Bros.?

I think the series could split in two, handheld and console, or traditional characters versus new or 3rd party mixed. So then there will be plenty of possibility for many new requests, if they can be suitable characters of course.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Even Impa has better chances now than Ridley.

As crazy as I am, as long as PizzaDudeManGuy still has hope for Ridley, I do as well. Also, watch this!
http://youtu.be/5WEE5VyZmu8

 

[Diddy Kong]

As crazy as I am, as long as PizzaDudeManGuy still has hope for Ridley, I do as well. Also, watch this!
http://youtu.be/5WEE5VyZmu8

ChronoBound, of all people has no hope for Ridley, why should anybody?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

ChronoBound, of all people has no hope for Ridley, why should anybody?

Who is ChronoBound? And why bomb me for sharing a video on how Ridley may not be disconfirmed after all? They make good points

 

[Diddy Kong]

It's nothing I never heard of yet.

ChronoBound basically was our biggest Ridley supporter, and 'link' between the western and Japanese fanbases. He did a lot of ****, basically.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

It's nothing I never heard of yet.

ChronoBound basically was our biggest Ridley supporter, and 'link' between the western and Japanese fanbases. He did a lot of ****, basically.

I still think he's gonna be in. Just ask Dark Phazon, Hotfeet444, or PizzaDudeManGuy, they still support him it looks like.

 

[Autumn ♫]

ChronoBound, of all people has no hope for Ridley, why should anybody?

Because every time I've seen Chrono support someone, and something minor gets in the way, he acts like they're deconfirmed. I mean, he basicly let hell run loose on the day Pyrosphere was confirmed as a stage.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Because every time I've seen Chrono support someone, and something minor gets in the way, he acts like they're deconfirmed. I mean, he basicly let hell run loose on the day Pyrosphere was confirmed as a stage.

He was quite right though. At the time, one might say he was overreacting. But retrospectively, it makes extreme sense. He just knew it was going to happen.

 

[Autumn ♫]

He was quite right though. At the time, one might say he was overreacting. But retrospectively, it makes extreme sense. He just knew it was going to happen.

I believe as much as anybody else that Roidley will be a stage hazard, however, I still believe that it's entirely possible to have Ridley playable.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Not me.

Best bet on a Metroid newcomer now is Anthony Higgs. Who would be hilariously awesome.

 

[DraginHikari]

It's really a waste at this point to try to defuse the Ridley situation at this point. You're not going to convience anyone one way or another on their viewpoint mostly because of how much tension is involved in that situation. At this point it's better to wait and see for the official reveal of the character playable or not.

As much as the current evidence we have about the situation, until we recieved some type of full confirmation one way or another, nothing will change in that debate.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Not me.

Best bet on a Metroid newcomer now is Anthony Higgs. Who would be hilariously awesome.

The guy who refers to Samus as "Princess" for Super Smash Bros? Get out of town!

 

[Diddy Kong]

The guy who refers to Samus as "Princess" for Super Smash Bros? Get out of town!

One answer to all haters:

 

[Bad_Pantz]

ChronoBound, of all people has no hope for Ridley, why should anybody?

I'm still waiting for CB to step up for the account bet he made on Ridley's inclusion.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Guys, drop the Ridley talk. It's getting nowhere, so change the subject.

 

[Deleted member]

Not me.

Best bet on a Metroid newcomer now is Anthony Higgs. Who would be hilariously awesome.

Anthony Higgs isn't getting in. If we're not getting Ridley, we're getting no one. Since it doesn't look like Ridley is getting in, I can't see another Metroid rep, especially since Dark Samus got officially disconfirmed.

I'm still waiting for CB to step up for the account bet he made on Ridley's inclusion.

You mean the one he made against Ridley's inclusion in this game? Coming from someone who knows him very well, it's very sad for him to step on such levels.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Anthony Higgs isn't getting in. If we're not getting Ridley, we're getting no one. Since it doesn't look like Ridley is getting in, I can't see another Metroid rep, especially since Dark Samus got officially disconfirmed.

That's part of your lack of immagination. Fact is, Samus looks after her Other M design, and Pyro Sphere comes from Other M to. Pyro Sphere could also easily be a sort of 'home stage' to Anthony Higgs. He's the most likely Metroid newcomer. Easily.

 

[Radical Larry]

The whole Ridley thing on the Direct seemed off. He moved and stopped like a character, and moved again...
As if he were being controlled...

 

[Autumn ♫]

That's part of your lack of immagination. Fact is, Samus looks after her Other M design, and Pyro Sphere comes from Other M to. Pyro Sphere could also easily be a sort of 'home stage' to Anthony Higgs. He's the most likely Metroid newcomer. Easily.

I really don't see Anthony being anymore than a trophy at this point. His best shot was an assist, but having 4 Metroid Assist Trophies is a bit much.

 

[Kenith]

I really don't see Anthony being anymore than a trophy at this point. His best shot was an assist, but having 4 Metroid Assist Trophies is a bit much.

I think he is being facetious.

If not, then I think Anthony isn't a very memorable character.

 

[Xhampi]

That's part of your lack of immagination. Fact is, Samus looks after her Other M design, and Pyro Sphere comes from Other M to. Pyro Sphere could also easily be a sort of 'home stage' to Anthony Higgs. He's the most likely Metroid newcomer. Easily.

Why would Sakurai add a character who have been a sidekick in one game before the most reccuring antagonist of the metroid series (and poppular request in the west since melee) or the main antagonist of the prime series ?

The only thing Higgs have over the likes of Sylux is that he was in the last Meroid game (even then at least the hunters were playable in their one game appearance).

For this game it was Ridley and/or Dark Samus or bust.

Manthony can come back for a playable slot when he will be more important than at least Dark Samus.