Character Discussion Thread

[IsmaR]

Well, Anthony's a special case.
I hate that game, and even I find him likeable.

I like James Pierce's porn 'stache.

However that doesn't mean everyone else does.

 

[Morbi]

Does Falco need new A moves?

Technically; in order for Falco to be completely de-cloned, he needs an altered: F-Tilt, D-Tilt, U-Air, D-Air, U-Smash, and D-Smash.

Wolf needs: D-Special.

That is the difference. Let us not also forget, Falco still largely shares Fox's play-style, Wolf doesn't.

 

[Louie G.]

Getting rid of a Wolf would be going BACKWARDS in progress.
He completes the Star Fox franchise and Smash is low on villains.
So he would be a very disappointing cut.
Given that we're still talking about Wolf.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

Which is ironic as everyone who played Other M hated Other M.

I didnt, and i wasnt phased by the few bad reviews that everyone seemed to take as the word of god while the rest were average or good. I enjoyed it, public opinion wont change that.

 

[Morbi]

Getting rid of a Wolf would be going BACKWARDS in progress.
He completes the Star Fox franchise and Smash is low on villains.
So he would be a very disappointing cut.
Given that we're still talking about Wolf.

Precisely the point; and I am sure Sakurai comprehends this better than deluded fan-boys that arbitrary presume that Starfox needs a cut because it hasn't received a new game.

 

[Bowserlick]

Andross (with a body and rocket gloves) should have been the villain.

 

[Louie G.]

If Star Fox gets cuts because the series is "dead" then bye bye Lucas.

 

[Substitution]

I like James Pierce's porn 'stache.

However that doesn't mean everyone else does.

To be fair. There's a reason why we remember him more instead of Samus or Adam (who we'd wish to forget) or whoever else was in it.

 

[Morbi]

If Star Fox gets cuts because the series is "dead" then bye bye Lucas.

And Captain Falcon.

 

[HVDooD]

This topic should be renamed to 'The Falco and Wolf discussion Thread'....

 

[MAGMIS]

This topic should be renamed to 'The Falco and Wolf discussion Thread'....

and both Falco and Wolf are "characters". am I right? lol

 

[wildvine47]

Honestly, since Ridley appears to be just about out of the running (fingers crossed that the theorists are right but not betting on it) and Dark Samus being an Assist Trophy I honestly really only see Adam as the last remaining possibility for another Metroid representative. He's not exactly the popular choice and he's pretty recently been introduced (at least as a physical being) into the series, but Rosalina and Greninja have shown that both of those factors aren't that much of a stumbling block.

On the flipside, he's really important to both of the Metroid games he features in, CAN physically reappear in a new Metroid game so long as it takes place before Other M (and considering how the series tends to jump around its timeline, it's not too unlikely), or even can stick around as a CPU for post-Other M games. He could use Other M's weapons like the Plasma Cannon and the Ice Pistols, as well as some of Samus's unused abilities as well. Alternatively, in the unfortunate event that Snake gets cut, Adam could easily inherit his moveset, albeit with some slight alterations. Yeah, Anthony is more popular, but that "popularity" is pretty tiny, and is almost entirely due to his meme. Adam has seniority both in importance to the series and Other M.

I don't see it as too likely, but I see him as the only remaining character that would've been considered for Metroid. I honestly thought the guy was an interesting character, just that the game's mechanics for unlocking powerups made him seem like more of a jerk than needed, so I really wouldn't mind him. Ridley would obviously be the ideal rep, but in his dire straits, it's best to cover all bases IMO.

 

[False Sense]

This topic should be renamed to 'The Falco and Wolf discussion Thread'....

This discussion has been going on for about ten posts. It's been a pretty small discussion so far.

 

[CalumG]

And Captain Falcon.

Falcon doesn't really fall into the same category though. As sole representative of his franchise, it's almost unthinkable that he'd not come back - I know you were saying it for comedic effect but there's a precedent for removing chracters from franchises with more than one character. The same doesn't hold true for sole representatives of franchises.

I wouldn't want either Falco or Wolf to be removed, but I do think people are perhaps a tad too optimistic with certain characters. I don't think they would be cut, but if, hypothetically, three more characters weren't making the cut from Brawl, who exactly would they be if characters like Lucas, Wolf, Jigglypuff etc. are off-limits?

 

[Morbi]

Falcon doesn't really fall into the same category though. As sole representative of his franchise, it's almost unthinkable that he'd not come back - I know you were saying it for comedic effect but there's a precedent for removing chracters from franchises with more than one character. The same doesn't hold true for sole representatives of franchises.

I wouldn't want either Falco or Wolf to be removed, but I do think people are perhaps a tad too optimistic with certain characters. I don't think they would be cut, but if, hypothetically, three more characters weren't making the cut from Brawl, who exactly would they be if characters like Lucas, Wolf, Jigglypuff etc. are off-limits?

As you mentioned; I was just joking with Captain Falcon.

But, if characters like Lucas, Wolf, Jigglypuff, etc. were off-limits... I believe justifiable cuts would be the only real omissions. Snake, as there is already some circumstantial evidence against his inclusion, it wouldn't be right to remove a unique Nintendo character that most have become accustomed to over the expanse of more than half a decade. I just find his removal feasible, not necessarily warranted. Ice Climbers would be another justifiable cut if Sakurai cannot get the pair to actually function properly.

The other option is to just have less newcomers, which a lot of people are speculating in favor of.

 

[Louie G.]

Good thing the polar bears are enemies in Smash Run.
Which basically confirms the Ice Climbers.
Personally I'm thinking Snake, Squirtle, and Ivy as cuts, and that's it.

 

[Morbi]

Good thing the polar bears are enemies in Smash Run.
Which basically confirms the Ice Climbers.
Personally I'm thinking Snake, Squirtle, and Ivy as cuts, and that's it.

Same; I just believe that if there is another cut, after Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Snake, it would have to be Ice Climbers. There are no other logical omissions. Pokemon Trainer, he was a logical one, I had that nailed months prior. Snake appears to be next in line, something else I had nailed months prior. However, I am not confident in the Ice Climbers, but they would be the closest thing to a justifiable cut.

 

[Louie G.]

Same; I just believe that if there is another cut, after Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Snake, it would have to be Ice Climbers. There are no other logical omissions. Pokemon Trainer, he was a logical one, I had that nailed months prior. Snake appears to be next in line, something else I had nailed months prior. However, I am not confident in the Ice Climbers, but they would be the closest thing to a justifiable cut.

I would imagine they are returning, since the Polar Bear probably wouldn't show up otherwise.
Also, if Rosalina and Luma can happen, Ice Climbers sure can.

 

[Xzsmmc]

HI honestly really only see Adam as the last remaining possibility for another Metroid representative.

I'm not even joking. He's extremely unlikely, but I'd say he has more of a chance than Adam.

 

[Morbi]

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I would imagine they are returning, since the Polar Bear probably wouldn't show up otherwise.
Also, if Rosalina and Luma can happen, Ice Climbers sure can.

Again, I agree. I just believe that they are next-in-line. I think the line stops at Snake though.

 

[wildvine47]

I'm not even joking. He's extremely unlikely, but I'd say he has more of a chance than Adam.

I specifically mentioned in my post why I don't think Anthony would be chosen, which was that he's basically just a meme character, and that Adam is far more important to the series than him and appears in more games than he does.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

What's the use of this argument? If anything at all, both Adam and Anthony are either stage appearances or assist trophies at this point. We've already got Samus and Zero Suit Samus, plus Ridley is not automatically ruled out, and we have THREE Metroid assist trophies. Isn't 3 enough assist trophies for Metroid?

 

[Louie G.]

I can't help but shake the feeling that Sakurai made ZSS a separate character not just for the reasons mentioned, but because he wants. Metroid fans to realize that Metroid had 2 characters all along, hoping that it will make up for the lack of another.
I hope I'm wrong, though.

 

[Arcanir]

Honestly, since Ridley appears to be just about out of the running (fingers crossed that the theorists are right but not betting on it) and Dark Samus being an Assist Trophy I honestly really only see Adam as the last remaining possibility for another Metroid representative. He's not exactly the popular choice and he's pretty recently been introduced (at least as a physical being) into the series, but Rosalina and Greninja have shown that both of those factors aren't that much of a stumbling block.

I'm going to have to disagree, Adam isn't in the same position that Rosalina and Greninja are. The former has had more appearances in her franchise past Galaxy and has become an extremely popular character in it. Greninja is extremely popular in its generation, which made it a good pick for it, and while it only appeared in two games beforehand remember that Pokémon decides its characters differently then most other franchises including Metroid.

Both of those two have merits over Adam, he's not popular at all within either the Smash or Metroid fanbase and he's only important for two games currently, of which while important, both times he connected to a very disliked element. Neither give him that much favor as a character, so I don't think he's comparable at all.

 

[Xhampi]

I can't help but shake the feeling that Sakurai made ZSS a separate character not just for the reasons mentioned, but because he wants. Metroid fans to realize that Metroid had 2 characters all along, hoping that it will make up for the lack of another.
I hope I'm wrong, though.

What I fear right now is if Sakurai think that ZSS is as good as a newcommer since a lot of her moves have been updated, add that to :
-A other M redesign for both Samus and ZSS,
-2 new assist trophies,
-A new item,
-A boss fight
And he may end up thinking that's it's enough for the Metroid representation for this game =/

 

[Hot Uncle Sparky]

I can't help but shake the feeling that Sakurai made ZSS a separate character not just for the reasons mentioned, but because he wants. Metroid fans to realize that Metroid had 2 characters all along, hoping that it will make up for the lack of another.
I hope I'm wrong, though.

The sad part is that they won't think that's good enough with Samus and Zamus being the same person.

 

[ultimatekoopa]

Honestly, since Ridley appears to be just about out of the running (fingers crossed that the theorists are right but not betting on it) and Dark Samus being an Assist Trophy I honestly really only see Adam as the last remaining possibility for another Metroid representative. He's not exactly the popular choice and he's pretty recently been introduced (at least as a physical being) into the series, but Rosalina and Greninja have shown that both of those factors aren't that much of a stumbling block.

On the flipside, he's really important to both of the Metroid games he features in, CAN physically reappear in a new Metroid game so long as it takes place before Other M (and considering how the series tends to jump around its timeline, it's not too unlikely), or even can stick around as a CPU for post-Other M games. He could use Other M's weapons like the Plasma Cannon and the Ice Pistols, as well as some of Samus's unused abilities as well. Alternatively, in the unfortunate event that Snake gets cut, Adam could easily inherit his moveset, albeit with some slight alterations. Yeah, Anthony is more popular, but that "popularity" is pretty tiny, and is almost entirely due to his meme. Adam has seniority both in importance to the series and Other M.

I don't see it as too likely, but I see him as the only remaining character that would've been considered for Metroid. I honestly thought the guy was an interesting character, just that the game's mechanics for unlocking powerups made him seem like more of a jerk than needed, so I really wouldn't mind him. Ridley would obviously be the ideal rep, but in his dire straits, it's best to cover all bases IMO.

Even Kraid stands more chances than Anthony, so does Adam, you could say that sylux is also more likely than him

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

The sad part is that they won't think that's good enough with Samus and Zamus being the same person.

It shouldn't be good enough. Getting Zero Suit Samus when folks post-Melee were asking for Ridley is insulting enough as it is.

Not that I'm painting ZSS as any sort of scapegoat for no Ridley, but honestly Ridley should have been added either alongside or before Zero Suit Samus. 2 characters or not, she's way behind Ridley in terms of representing the series.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Oh Jeez, we're still going on about this. Look, I know having an Other M Samus and a Zero Mission Zamus with a few tweaks so far is bad, but the fact of the matter is that it's not over quite yet. Not to mention I'm glad to know that we're at least getting details on Metroid characters (Save for Ridley because he's a Magnum Opus to Sakurai...or Disaster Opus, depending on the outcome and whatever goes on inside his mind) while we're less than 4 months away from a release (This going on if it does indeed release in August, and as someone who finishes his next semester in August I'm hoping for this outcome) and we haven't had any details on any Mother or F-Zero characters, franchises that have been a part of Smash since the beginning. While I hold hope for Ridley, I feel the most sorry for you F-Zero and Mother lot, ESPECIALLY the Mother lot. The most you guys have seen through almost a year of speculation is an item, and it took them almost ten months to show said item.

 

[MagnesD3]

Getting rid of a Wolf would be going BACKWARDS in progress.
He completes the Star Fox franchise and Smash is low on villains.
So he would be a very disappointing cut.
Given that we're still talking about Wolf.

I wouldnt buy the game if wolf is cut.

 

[shrooby]

See, this talk about Sakurai possibly thinking Zero Suit Samus is good enough, this reminds why I don't like supporting characters because "This franchise needs more representation!"
I don't care about Metroid. Metroid doesn't deserve anything.
Ridley deserves to be playable because he is Ridley and just so happens to be from the relatively popular franchise Metroid. Just clamoring for more Metroid isn't asking for Ridley. As far as I see it, that's asking for any Metroid character! If all you want is more Metroid, then you should be fine Zero Suit Samus. She is another character with the franchise logo on the select screen, after all.
But you're not, are you RIdley supporter? Of course you aren't. Because that's not really why anybody supports Ridley. At least it's not the biggest reason. And it shouldn't be either. But people treat it like it is. I've seen it be the first thing that gets brought up when it comes to reasons for supporting Ridley too often. When you say stuff like that it gives the wrong message. It makes it seem like Rundas, Adam, a Space Pirate or whatever are perfectly fine additions instead of Ridley.

 

[Hotfeet444]

See, this talk about Sakurai possibly thinking Zero Suit Samus is good enough, this reminds why I don't like supporting characters because "This franchise needs more representation!"
I don't care about Metroid. Metroid doesn't deserve anything.
Ridley deserves to be playable because he is Ridley and just so happens to be from the relatively popular franchise Metroid. Just clamoring for more Metroid isn't asking for Ridley. As far as I see it, that's asking for any Metroid character! If all you want is more Metroid, then you should be fine Zero Suit Samus. She is another character with the franchise logo on the select screen, after all.
But you're not, are you RIdley supporter? Of course you aren't. Because that's not really why anybody supports Ridley. At least it's not the biggest reason. And it shouldn't be either. But people treat it like it is. I've seen it be the first thing that gets brought up when it comes to reasons for supporting Ridley too often. When you say stuff like that it gives the wrong message. It makes it seem like Rundas, Adam, a Space Pirate or whatever are perfectly fine additions instead of Ridley.

You seem to be heavily misinterpreting the way we use the term "Metroid deserves more representation", especially when said representation term is usually used to compare to the other main franchises in Smash Bros:

Super Mario Bros: The main hero, the sidekick, The damsel in distress, the main villain, and a Cosmic Deity destined to be a large character in future Mario games. Yoshi's Island adds on to this.

Donkey Kong Country: The main heroes...still missing a pretty big piece of said puzzle, but not entirely bad.

The Legend of Zelda: The three parts of the triforce, having two different triforces of Courage.

Kirby: The main hero, the anti-hero, and the villain, solid representation

Starfox: The main hero, the brash sidekick, and the rival who was once a villain, a strong representation of a franchise mostly about flying ships.

Pokemon: The mascot, the most popular pokemon, one of the most marketable pokemon, a new pokemon from 6th Gen, and hopefully a certain legendary pokemon.

Metroid: Two characters that are, in fact, the exact same character with two different titles...

Can you see now why we use representation in this respect? I mean c'mon, it doesn't take a genius to realize what we mean by "we need more characters from this franchise" it obviously means "The next most important character", it's practically common sense, especially when, unlike Donkey Kong, there isn't a feud discussing who's the next most important character to said series and it's obviously Ridley we're implying in said statements.

Edit: Also, going off of what I read a few posts up...how in the hell do people have a mind-set that thinks that "Polar-Bear = Ice Climbers" but still call Dixie more likely than K.Rool after the return of the Kremlings?

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

See, this talk about Sakurai possibly thinking Zero Suit Samus is good enough, this reminds why I don't like supporting characters because "This franchise needs more representation!"
I don't care about Metroid. Metroid doesn't deserve anything.
Ridley deserves to be playable because he is Ridley and just so happens to be from the relatively popular franchise Metroid. Just clamoring for more Metroid isn't asking for Ridley. As far as I see it, that's asking for any Metroid character! If all you want is more Metroid, then you should be fine Zero Suit Samus. She is another character with the franchise logo on the select screen, after all.
But you're not, are you RIdley supporter? Of course you aren't. Because that's not really why anybody supports Ridley. At least it's not the biggest reason. And it shouldn't be either. But people treat it like it is. I've seen it be the first thing that gets brought up when it comes to reasons for supporting Ridley too often. When you say stuff like that it gives the wrong message. It makes it seem like Rundas, Adam, a Space Pirate or whatever are perfectly fine additions instead of Ridley.

That isn't to say that can't overlap. Ridley is the only realistic choice for a new Metroid character either way, considering Dark Samus is an Assist Trophy while everyone else is either one-off or not that exciting as a playable character. From a representation standpoint, even if you're not a fan on Ridley in specific so much as just wanting to see Metroid get more love, Ridley makes the most sense. He appeals to both Ethos and Logos, if you will.

I want Ridley to represent Metroid. I want Metroid to be represented. I want Ridley to be a playable character. It all goes hand-in-hand, at least for Metroid. Maybe Kirby, but that's for another time.

 

[Dark Phazon]

Hehehe good point Ridley/Dark Samus no else imo

And i wouldnt want anyone else from metroid if it isnt one of them.

Because that would be a joke
it would be like Slippy or Peppy got in melee instead of Falco now multiply that Stupidity X100
thats how it would be if Adam or Anthony got in over Ridley

What if Wart got in melee over Bowser?

Atleast if it does happen we will know 100/ that Ridley was thought of but will never be playable.

Sakurai wouldnt go...ummm...Hmm..Metroid....
Samus *check*
ZSS *Check*
Anthony *still working on his new trailer*
fans will be amazed!
Yep thats done..

Lets look at Pikemon now

Swirls chair to talk to namco employee opposite him
''Yo hows that Ridley boss model coming along''

 

[BluePikmin11]

Hehehe good point Ridley/Dark Samus no else imo

And i wouldnt want anyone else from metroid if it isnt one of them.

Because that would be a joke
it would be like Slippy or Peppy got in brawl instead of Wolf Or Krystal now multiply that Stupidity X100
thats how it would be if Adam or Anthony got in over Ridley

What if Wart got in melee over Bowser?

Atleast if it does happen we will know 100/ that Ridley was thought of but will never be playable.

Sakurai wouldnt go...ummm...Hmm..Metroid....
Samus *check*
ZSS *Check*
Anthony *still working on his new trailer*
fans will be amazed!
Yep thats done..

Lets look at Pikemon now

Swirls chair to talk to namco employee opposite him
''Yo hows that Ridley boss model coming along''

Then the NSMB games would have been more interesting with Wart as the Villain.

 

[MagnesD3]

My new roster...

Alphonzo is Chorus Kids from Rhythm Heaven

 

[Morbi]

My new roster...

Alphonzo is Chorus Kids from Rhythm Heaven

This is the first (presumably) non-joke roster that I have seen to contain five, 3rd party characters. Explanation?

 

[BluePikmin11]

My new roster...

Alphonzo is Chorus Kids from Rhythm Heaven

Layton > Bayonetta.
I don't see Demise happening, but the rest is fine.

 

[False Sense]

My new roster...

Alphonzo is Chorus Kids from Rhythm Heaven

Demise? Not Ghirahim? And Bayonetta?

...And apparently no Sheik?

 

[MagnesD3]

Demise? Not Ghirahim? And Bayonetta?

...And apparently no Sheik?

derp let me fix that