Character Discussion Thread

Jaedrik · Feb 10, 2014

BluePikmin11 said:
Your leak.

"Leaky 3" seriously turned into a thing?

. . .

I applaud you, sir.

kikaru · Feb 10, 2014

This is a combination of my prediction and wishlist roster.

The more odd choices would be Tiki and Andy in this case, both characters whom I believe can demonstrate extraordinary potential in character, uniqueness in gameplay, and overall roster balance.

But to be honest I'm indifferent as to who our retro character is going to be if we are to receive one, from what I've seen the top contenders are Takamaru, Lip, and Mach Rider all of whom are obscure to the majority of the fanbase but all of whom have great potential.

JamesDNaux · Feb 10, 2014

Louie G. said:
How about Muddy Mole?
He's no furry magnet, mind you.

No exceptions.

I don't really care for him, doesn't Miyamoto have enough characters in Smash already?
I'm pretty doubtful of something that, even though it was made by Miyamoto, didn't turn into a big franchise.

Louie G. · Feb 10, 2014

@

JamesDNaux
Definitely your best roster so far.
I would be completely content if we get this roster.

JamesDNaux said:
I'm pretty doubtful of something that, even though it was made by Miyamoto, didn't turn into a big franchise.

Well I mean, is that really an excuse?

Arcadenik · Feb 10, 2014

Louie G. said:
How about Muddy Mole?
He's no furry magnet, mind you.

Not yet... but if Sakurai adds him in Smash as a newcomer... the Internet is gonna start acknowledging his existence... just ask Wii Fit Trainer!

Kenith · Feb 10, 2014

JamesDNaux said:
You know what would be ironic? If I end up being right about Little Mac. I'd probably just start laughing like a loon and then curse myself.

Do you know how this makes me feel?
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FlareHabanero · Feb 10, 2014

GOD DAMMIT IT PEOPLE, STOP.

Louie G. said:
How about Muddy Mole?
He's no furry magnet, mind you.

Muddy Mole's main complication is how to exactly implement his main ability of digging.

JamesDNaux · Feb 10, 2014

Louie G. said:
@ JamesDNaux
Definitely your best roster so far.
I would be completely content if we get this roster.

As depressing as this is, I guess it's a good thing too. As long as no one starts about Krystal or Lip.

Well I mean, is that really an excuse?

Miyamoto made Ice Climber? You learn something new every day.

Is Muddy even old enough to be retro? The Game Boy isn't that old.

MagnesD3 · Feb 10, 2014

Shortiecanbrawl said:
But even still, I don't think Bayonetta wouldn't be in included in Smash, because she is a sex symbol.

I really really want bayonetta in smash, she would be such an amazing character.

Kenith · Feb 10, 2014

JamesDNaux said:
As depressing as this is, I guess it's a good thing too. As long as no one starts about Krystal or Lip.

Miyamoto made Ice Climber? You learn something new every day.

Is Muddy even old enough to be retro? The Game Boy isn't that old.

You gonna call me whippersnapper Gramps? Pfft. Game boys are for nerds. $500 dollar tablets are way better.

- Said no one ever

Arcadenik · Feb 10, 2014

JamesDNaux said:
As depressing as this is, I guess it's a good thing too. As long as no one starts about Krystal or Lip.

Miyamoto made Ice Climber? You learn something new every day.

Is Muddy even old enough to be retro? The Game Boy isn't that old.

Muddy Mole's game came out in 1996... so it is about 18 years old now... but remember that at the time Melee came out, Ice Climber was already 16 years old... and at the time Brawl came out, it's been 17 years since Kid Icarus's last game. Personally, I count characters who haven't had a game in the last 15 years to be retro.

Louie G. · Feb 10, 2014

Xenoblaze said:
Muddy Mole's main complication is how to exactly implement his main ability of digging.

Why not allow Muddy to dig, and have a little white arrow above him showing where he is?
And then he pops up automatically after like 10 seconds.

BluePikmin11 · Feb 10, 2014

Muddy's weakness:
fall-through platforms. :troll:

Starcutter · Feb 10, 2014

Arcadenik said:
Muddy Mole's game came out in 1996... so it is about 18 years old now... but remember that at the time Melee came out, Ice Climber was already 16 years old... and at the time Brawl came out, it's been 17 years since Kid Icarus's last game. Personally, I count characters who haven't had a game in the last 15 years to be retro.

Would banjo be retro then? (Minus nuts and bolts obviously)

pikachugamer21 · Feb 10, 2014

legendofrob1 said:
Would banjo be retro then? (Minus nuts and bolts obviously)

yes yes he would

JamesDNaux · Feb 10, 2014

Arcadenik said:
Muddy Mole's game came out in 1996... so it is about 18 years old now... but remember that at the time Melee came out, Ice Climber was already 16 years old... and at the time Brawl came out, it's been 17 years since Kid Icarus's last game. Personally, I count characters who haven't had a game in the last 15 years to be retro.

I feel so old right now.

Is the N64 truly already retro? Where has the time gone?

legendofrob1 said:
Would banjo be retro then? (Minus nuts and bolts obviously)

That was the first thing that came to my mind too, but then he had that GBA game so not really. Unless GBA is retro too now.

Arcadenik · Feb 10, 2014

BluePikmin11 said:
Muddy's weakness:
fall-through platforms.

That has always been my concern when it comes to Muddy's digging mechanic... how would that work on the planes in Pilotwings stage... or the moving platform in Skyloft stage... or the train in Spirit Tracks stage?

Louie G. · Feb 10, 2014

Arcadenik said:
That has always been my concern when it comes to Muddy's digging mechanic... how would that work on the planes in Pilotwings stage... or the moving platform in Skyloft stage... or the train in Spirit Tracks stage?

It could work.
Smash Bros doesn't have to be realistic after all.
Compare it to Peach's vegetable plucking.

BluePikmin11 · Feb 10, 2014

I think he would dig under the plane's wings like no one's business. :troll:

Arcadenik · Feb 10, 2014

Louie G. said:
It could work.
Smash Bros doesn't have to be realistic after all.
Compare it to Peach's vegetable plucking.

Yeah.... but Muddy has to go underground and burrow around... Peach doesn't...

N3ON · Feb 10, 2014

Xenoblaze said:
Like I said, it's still curious as to why he would be concerned over how well known someone is, when past events show him having no complications with the idea. Which is why that statement confuses me, and why Lip is the only butt of this joke. You could argue that Sukapon falls into a similar thing, but that's a lot more ambiguous as to why he was shot down.

Well Sakurai has shown concern over limiting characters with limited recognition, such as Japan-only ones, just not to the extent he would totally exclude them from the roster.

A character like Lip would probably only really have a shot if there weren't already an abundance of limited-exposure newcomers already on the roster.

Louie G. · Feb 10, 2014

Arcadenik said:
Yeah.... but Muddy has to go underground and burrow around... Peach doesn't...

I have this clear vision if how it works, it's kinda hard to explain though.
I'll tell you if I can figure out how to say it.

pikachugamer21 · Feb 10, 2014

Muddy is a character I've never really considered for a newcomer but he sounds like a pretty great character

AEMehr · Feb 10, 2014

JamesDNaux said:
I concede, I shouldn't have been speaking of F-Zero with the little knowledge of it I have, I just assumed a racing game didn't have much in it besides racing.

Yeah, would have fooled me too if I hadn't do a little research here and there. No harm done!

I never knew about DK's punch though, I haven't seen the show before.

Consider that a blessing. Do not watch it.
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Arcadenik said:
That has always been my concern when it comes to Muddy's digging mechanic... how would that work on the planes in Pilotwings stage... or the moving platform in Skyloft stage... or the train in Spirit Tracks stage?

My idea has always been that he burrows through it still, but spikes opponents who come in contact with him during the move. Would make it really useful against recovering opponents in the traveling stages.
Alternatively, he could just keep his claws stuck in the stage and move around underneath the platform. But he would be completely visible during this.

Kenith · Feb 10, 2014

Arcadenik said:
Muddy Mole's game came out in 1996... so it is about 18 years old now... but remember that at the time Melee came out, Ice Climber was already 16 years old... and at the time Brawl came out, it's been 17 years since Kid Icarus's last game. Personally, I count characters who haven't had a game in the last 15 years to be retro.

How about dat Lanky Kong. He lacks style and grace, but what he does have - Is a funny face.
I mean, he can handstand when he needs to, he even stretches his arms out. Just for you.

I have memorized every word of that song. That's bad, right?

FlareHabanero · Feb 10, 2014

N3ON said:
Well Sakurai has shown concern over limiting characters with limited recognition, such as Japan-only ones, just not to the extent he would totally exclude them from the roster.

He never said anything about excluding characters only from Japan, he said he'd hesitate over characters that were only popular in Japan. Which is a different subject.

Arcadenik · Feb 10, 2014

Xenoblaze said:
He never said anything about excluding characters only from Japan, he said he'd hesitate over characters that were only popular in Japan. Which is a different subject.

Dammit.... Tingle deconfirmed. :dizzy:

N3ON · Feb 10, 2014

Xenoblaze said:
He never said anything about excluding characters only from Japan, he said he'd hesitate over characters that were only popular in Japan. Which is a different subject.

I know, I said he wouldn't exclude them, only limit them. And really, in regards to Japan-only characters, they only do find a notable amount of popularity in Japan (though sometimes not even then). Even if characters like Lip or Sukapon are popular on Smash sites, in the grand scheme of things we're a tiny sample size compared to the overall popularity and recognition that character would (or wouldn't) face in the western market prior to their inclusion.

I exclude Takamaru because he's not Japan-only anymore, even if his series is.

Kenith · Feb 10, 2014

Arcadenik said:
Dammit.... Tingle deconfirmed.

Yeah, actually. He's not that popular there, considering how terrible his games performed.

Autumn ♫ · Feb 10, 2014

Well, I guess I can call Saki my retro character then.

BluePikmin11 · Feb 10, 2014

ScatmansWorld25 said:
Well, I guess I can call Saki my retro character then.

He's technically not one anymore thanks to Sin and Punishment: Star Successor.

Kenith · Feb 10, 2014

ScatmansWorld25 said:
Well, I guess I can call Saki my retro character then.

I have no idea who you support because your banner is comprised entirely of joke characters.

N3ON · Feb 10, 2014

For all we know Sakurai still only views NES and GB era characters as "classic". There's been no statement to prove otherwise yet.

Kenith · Feb 10, 2014

N3ON said:
For all we know Sakurai still only views NES and GB era characters as "classic". There's been no statement to prove otherwise yet.

Characters that debuted on Game Boy are classic?

Wario Land Wario confirmed.

And then everyone was happy.

Autumn ♫ · Feb 10, 2014

BluePikmin11 said:
He's technically not one anymore thanks to Sin and Punishment: Star Successor.

But.. he wasn't in there as far as I know of.

KenithTheGatherer said:
I have no idea who you support because your banner is comprised entirely of joke characters.

It's a lovely thing, isn't it?

N3ON · Feb 10, 2014

KenithTheGatherer said:
Characters that debuted on Game Boy are classic?

Wario Land Wario confirmed.

And then everyone was happy.

Well maybe not technically, but if OMaM didn't effect Pit's status as token "classic" character, Sakurai probably views NES and GB titles in the same, or at least similar, vein.

Arcadenik · Feb 10, 2014

BluePikmin11 said:
He's technically not one anymore thanks to Sin and Punishment: Star Successor.

Saki was in Star Successor? Thought it was his son Isa Jo...

Man, what's with Nintendo making descendants of most-wanted Smash characters... Marth gets Chrom and Lucina, Ike gets Priam, Isaac gets Matthew, Saki gets Isa...

FlareHabanero · Feb 10, 2014

N3ON said:
Well maybe not technically, but if OMaM didn't effect Pit's status as token "classic" character, Sakurai probably views NES and GB titles in the same, or at least similar, vein.

Pit never had any status like that.

Autumn ♫ · Feb 10, 2014

Arcadenik said:
Saki was in Star Successor? Thought it was his son Isa Jo...

Man, what's with Nintendo making descendants of most-wanted Smash characters... Marth gets Chrom and Lucina, Ike gets Priam, Isaac gets Matthew, Saki gets Isa...

K.Rool, Mewtwo, and Ridley destined to have descendants confirmed.

Kenith · Feb 10, 2014

N3ON said:
Well maybe not technically, but if OMaM didn't effect Pit's status as token "classic" character, Sakurai probably views NES and GB titles in the same, or at least similar, vein.

I think it's more because Sakurai ignores handheld games.

Seriously, there have never been handheld exclusive characters.
And I shlap the wise one who says Mr. G&W.

Pokemon doesn't count because...well, come one, we all know why Pokemon is the exception.

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