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Well, going by that logic, yes, a Skyward Sword character would seem likely. At the same time though, what about the character himself? Ghirahim is still just a one shot character, and we've seen those characters get passed over before in favor of more Links. I don't really see what importance Ghirahim has as a character aside from recency.
Plus, all of those games were game-changers for all of their respective franchises, literally and metaphorically.
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For the record, Chrom and Robin have only showed up in one Fire Emblem game.
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The same could be said for Rosalina though. Without Super Mario Galaxy, the literal only thing going for her is popularity.
The problem I have with this is that Rosalina at least has become a recurring Mario character thanks to her popularity from the first Galaxy game. She at least is becoming increasingly more popular and recurring in the Mario franchise. While Pokemon's newcomers are chosen in a different manner than most other franchises, this being that Pokemon newcomers are selected based on "What's hot" in other words current popularity. Greninja ended up becoming one of the most popular Pokemon in X/Y, so in that regard it makes sense for him to have gotten in.
I was talking about HVDood, not Sakurai, but on the other hand I've been thinking about it for a while and as long as Pokemon has less reps than Mario, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and WarioWare reps combined, I'm ok
I agree on maybe both Ness and Lucas returning but we already have Fox, so i see it as Fox and Falco/Wolf....@
Your logic on "only one can return" is a bit flawed.
There is nothing that proves that there isn't enough room for both Ness AND Lucas, or Falco AND Wolf.
Slots seem to be a thing of the past, at least in my opinion.
I didn't count third party char because in brawl it's 16 newcomers including the 2 third party. In melee it was 14 newcomer. So if I take out the 2 third party, the amount of newcomers is equal to melee in brawl.
You know how different Wolf is from Fox?
Actually, I would argue that Rosalina had more going for her than that. Unlike Ghirahim, she's not just a one shot character. After her debut, she appeared in Galaxy 2, numerous spin-offs, and had a playable role in 3D World. She's become this recurring, fairly important character within the Mario series who will likely appear in even more games in the future, so her inclusion made sense, I think. Ghirahim has only been in Skyward Sword and most likely died at the end of it, so it seems unlikely we'll ever see him again. I don't think the two are as comparable as they seem at first glance.
I do agree that it's quite possible for only one of them to return, but it's certainly not impossible for both of them to come back. And to be fair, Fox and Falco all have different priority strength, speed and direciton-wise in their movesets, even if most of their moves appear near-identical to one and other's. Wolf also has a much different moveset from both of them and has a considerably different playstyle.
Rosalina appears in three core games, and is playable in one of them. She is also playable in four spinoff games. Ghirahim appears in one game period, and is playable in none.
We'll see but in my opinion we only need one of them back.
Firstly, it wouldn't matter if he died in Skyward Sword, he's a sword spirit and it's Zelda.
I won't deny that there is probably a lot of hindsight bias regarding Rosalina, and that it was reasonable that people didn't really expect her. But at the same time, she still is more important to the Mario series than Ghirahim is to the Zelda series. For me at least, adding a character like Ghirahim in, a one time character who's part of a large series (with recurring characters) that will likely move on without him, would be a rather odd move without much justifications.
You know you don't have to go back on your opinion about ROB. So far there is nothing concrete showing him to be in or out of the game. It's just what people are feeling, and thinking in terms of how many cuts and how big or small the roster will be.Changed my vision a bit from recent opinions...
I think there will be 5 lines of 9 character slots this time seeing how the rules of 4 slots max have been broken with Rosalina... 44 characters and 1 random icon.
Pretty much confirmed:
Is coming back since Sakurai talked about balancing the falcon punch in an interview.
good chance:
Danger Zone:
Probaly Cut:
If any franchise were to get priority for 6 characters... Zelda would be included among them. Why? Because 7 Legend of Zelda characters were planned for Brawl. So I doubt 6 characters is THAT much of a stretch.
In all honesty, that roster is disappointing to me because it lacks any Golden Sun playable reps. Personally, I highly doubt Mario and Pokemon will have 6 reps. I expect Mario, Pokemon and Zelda will have an equal amount of reps being 5. I know a lot of fans want Mewtwo back but at the same time a lot of other fans want other series to have playable representation.
The notion of "deserve" is so very subjective and relative to the individual. I honestly feel as though he is a worthy candidate.
Alright, Ghirahim as a character "deserves" a slot since he's popular and Skyward Sword was a big game.
I am not sure if you are aware; move-set customization is only applicable to offline mode and friend matches, so it isn't something that inherently changes a character. So clone characters; like Toon Link, one of the more clone-esque characters out of the entire game, are still relevant.
There are places to discuss that specifically, but it's part of the character, so sure.
For the moment the place for that would be the Social thread.
I like the roster but I don't see Ike coming back, because I think Marth is like THE iconic char for "Fire Emblem" series, that's why she will keep coming back. Plus have u noticed that little mac "B moves" are quite similar to Ike's. lol don't ask me how is his B moves are "similar", u can figure this out. So I was thinking sakurai addition to little mac may somewhat bring Ike in that format. I hope that made sense. lol
There is a lot I don't understand about this post....but Marth is a she?
I was honestly feeling the same thing; Little Mac's specials are fairly reminiscent of Ike's. I like to believe that it is merely coincidence; some are more coincidental than others, such as the counter. However; some take overt inspiration, their recovery moves, for instance.
Spoiler spoiler spoiler belowThere is a lot I don't understand about this post....but Marth is a she?
Ha! I told you she would be in this game!
You make a good point, however Sakurai said in the direct that there are fan expectations for mega evolution so adding Mewtwo and not having it mega evolve would go against what Sakurai himself said. Also, in the previous game (Brawl) it was easy for a franchise to have more then 4 characters as the most any franchise had was 4 slots because you could cram 2+ characters into one slot, but now SLOTS=CHARACTERS and some may say that Sakurai can "do what he wants" with the game but that's not really the case. Nintendo's poster franchise is Mario! I doubt Iwata and the other higher ups would sign off on another franchise having the "appearance" of being represented more than Mario and by "appearance" I mean how you choose a character on the roster screen. Like I said earlier, slots now equal characters so Pokemon will most likely have an equal amount of characters to Mario and Zelda which at the moment I have to say is 5 unless Mario has a hidden character that won't be revealed until after release.
Finally someone says it! What's more, if it wasn't for Ghirahim, Ganondorf wouldn't exist. If that doesn't count for something, I don't know what does. He may only appear in one game, true, but he helped set the Zelda series in motion.
