Character Discussion Thread

[Cobalsh]

Everyone's "liking" my post. I'm not questioning that there is stupid stuff to justify King K. Rool. I just want to know what it is.

*You say everyone's liking your post*

*checks current user count on thread, sees 9 members*

*sees two like on your post*

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Not everyone is liking your post, you conceited child.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Again, this is from someone that sees the overt contradictions of Sakurai, I don't trust what he says; however, in terms of game-development, OBJECTIVELY speaking, it is more like multiplication than addition. Once you add a character, you have to balance them against every character in the roster. It is the most prominent reason that I advocated for a certain someones omission. A certain someone that WAS cut... Pokemon Trainer.

Again, I must repeat a previous point. Sakurai has Namco working with him on this game, and he's letting them do the balance where he had previously done it alone. Namco has made fighting games with rosters well over 50, so it is entirely feasible for this Smash to have a range between 45-55.

Why not Wonder Red? Or Dillon? Or Tin Star? :D

Red is possible, with someone as new as Greninja getting in and of course Roy previously, but that would depend on Sakurai having gone to Platinum ahead of time.
I already have Takamaru, so I don't need to replace him with Tin.
And isn't Dillon from an indie game? Or does Nintendo actually own that? Either way, that's severely doubtful, I'd expect even the Chorus Men over him.

So, wow, people can change their minds therefore let's disregard all evidence that the person stated that is against what we want? Unless you are a mind reader, this is all just pure conjecture. How do you know what sakuraii has and has not changed his mind about? you make it sound like we can't trust anything sakurai said because, surely he will change his mind.

I mean you could be totally right, but changing your mind about somethings, like a single character inclusion, does not mean you must have changed your mind about broader, harder things like roster size.

I feel like you are just tossing aside what he has said because it contradicts what you want.
Just try to be real for a second, and think about what has been said, I mean I want a bigger roster too, but there is nothing substantial to support me believing in that right now, so I'm not going to let myself hope for something with this game there is no concrete evidence for. I mean why setyourself up for disappointment, when you could set yourself up for a pleasant surprise?

Ok, now you're getting a bit uneasy there, you need to calm down. I already told you, this is all just speculation over a game, don't take everything so seriously.
What I want is irrelevant, I'd be completely happy with the three characters in my signature and by no means do we need 55 slots for them to fit in the game. You keep tossing around "setting yourself up for disappointment" when I've already told you otherwise, at this point it's just trying to shove beliefs down another's throat. I have no reason to continue with this as I have no need to change your mind and all I've been doing is defending my own position, so if you would be so kind.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

*You say everyone's liking your post*

*checks current user count on thread, sees 9 members*

*sees two like on your post*

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Not everyone is liking your post, you conceited child.

It's an exaggeration, cobalsh.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

Here is my update wish roster.

 

[Morbi]

Again, I must repeat a previous point. Sakurai has Namco working with him on this game, and he's letting them do the balance where he had previously done it alone. Namco has made fighting games with rosters well over 50, so it is entirely feasible for this Smash to have a range between 45-55.

Red is possible, with someone as new as Greninja getting in and of course Roy previously, but that would depend on Sakurai having gone to Platinum ahead of time.
I already have Takamaru, so I don't need to replace him with Tin.
And isn't Dillon from an indie game? Or does Nintendo actually own that? Either way, that's severely doubtful, I'd expect even the Chorus Men over him.

Ok, now you're getting a bit uneasy there, you need to calm down. I already told you, this is all just speculation over a game, don't take everything so seriously.
What I want is irrelevant, I'd be completely happy with the three characters in my signature and by no means do we need 55 slots for them to fit in the game. You keep tossing around "setting yourself up for disappointment" when I've already told you otherwise, at this point it's just trying to shove beliefs down another's throat. I have no reason to continue with this as I have no need to change your mind and all I've been doing is defending my own position, so if you would be so kind.

I didn't say it wasn't possible, I was mostly correcting you. You alluded to his statement in an opinion context, I was merely asserting that it is an objective fact. He can't "change his mind."

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Is it wrong that I might be considering Ghiriham? (don't answer that, Kenith) I mean we are getting a lot of recent additions to the big 3. But, then again you might as well add Yuga. And Zelda is a different situation.

My bets are still on Tetra.

 

[Morbi]

Is it wrong that I might be considering Ghiriham? (don't answer that, Kenith) I mean we are getting a lot of recent additions to the big 3. But, then again you might as well add Yuga. And Zelda is a different situation.

My bets are still on Tetra.

I consider all of the possibilities; I honestly believe that Ghiriham is one of the more likely candidates. I would love to see Tetra, but something about 3 different slots being dedicated to the same character bothers me; that IS unprecedented. Certainly possible, but I am not holding my breath. Tingle still seems like the most logical choice.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

Is it wrong that I might be considering Ghiriham? (don't answer that, Kenith) I mean we are getting a lot of recent additions to the big 3. But, then again you might as well add Yuga. And Zelda is a different situation.

My bets are still on Tetra.

I have my money on Ghiriham.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I consider all of the possibilities; I honestly believe that Ghiriham is one of the more likely candidates. I would love to see Tetra, but something about 3 different slots being dedicated to the same character bothers me; that IS unprecedented. Certainly possible, but I am not holding my breath. Tingle still seems like the most logical choice.

I'm starting to think Sakurai doesn't give a **** as long as they have different names and identities.

 

[WonderSmash]

Red is possible, with someone as new as Greninja getting in and of course Roy previously, but that would depend on Sakurai having gone to Platinum ahead of time.
I already have Takamaru, so I don't need to replace him with Tin.
And isn't Dillon from an indie game? Or does Nintendo actually own that? Either way, that's severely doubtful, I'd expect even the Chorus Men over him.

Rolling Western is a Nintendo game. First party and copyrights etc.

And I just cannot understand everyone's mancrush for Takamuru, I'd much rather have a robotic cowboy than another ninja/samurai/swordweilder

 

[TumblrFamous]

Is it wrong that I might be considering Ghiriham? (don't answer that, Kenith) I mean we are getting a lot of recent additions to the big 3. But, then again you might as well add Yuga. And Zelda is a different situation.

My bets are still on Tetra.

I think Tetra and Tingle are miles ahead of Ghirahim, but hey. We got Rosalina before Paper Mario, Bowser Jr., and Toad. We got Greninja instead of Brawl + Mewtwo. I'm open to anything that is at least sensible. Ghirahim could get in the game, but I think I'd rather just keep Zelda where it is right now. Just declone Ganondorf. We don't even need to give him a sword, just a moveset that isn't Captain Falcon's.

 

[Morbi]

I'm starting to think Sakurai doesn't give a **** as long as they have different names and identities.

Probably; it obviously isn't something that bothers him to a significant extent.

Rolling Western is a Nintendo game. First party and copyrights etc.

And I just cannot understand everyone's mancrush for Takamuru, I'd much rather have a robotic cowboy than another ninja/samurai/swordweilder

I want him so that he can face my Little Mac. So far, it seems like my East v West battle is most likely going to be Greninja and Little Mac, it just seems weird.

 

[Cobalsh]

I think Ghirahim is still pretty likely. He's got so much potential and can do wonders for Samsh. Besides, every game needs it's creepy evil guy, and Smash doesn't have one yet. inb4 Villager 'd myself.

 

[Deleted member]

Besides, every game needs it's creepy evil guy, and Smash doesn't have one yet. inb4 Villager

Smash doesn't have a creepy evil guy yet

Errr.....wouldn't you sort of count this dude?

 

[Pacack]

Rolling Western is a Nintendo game. First party and copyrights etc.

And I just cannot understand everyone's mancrush for Takamuru, I'd much rather have a robotic cowboy than another ninja/samurai/swordweilder

...Tin Star isn't even owned by Nintendo, though...

 

[JamesDNaux]

And I just cannot understand everyone's mancrush for Takamuru, I'd much rather have a robotic cowboy than another ninja/samurai/swordweilder

I can't understand your "mancrush" for a robotic cowboy. No need to insult people over their choice of characters, I didn't insult yours.
Takamaru isn't a ninja, and there are no other samurais in Smash, a samurai's style of sword fighting is far different than any of the other swordsmen we have.

 

[WonderSmash]

...Tin Star isn't even owned by Nintendo, though...

Yes he is. Creations Software was licensed to make a SNES super scope game so it does belong to Nintendo just like how Platinum was licensed to make a wii u gamepad game (W101). Franchises and characters are owned by Nintendo

 

[Morbi]

I still believe that Mitsurugi would be the better choice for a Samurai character; or Keanu Reeves, if Ronin count.

 

[WonderSmash]

I can't understand your "mancrush" for a robotic cowboy. No need to insult people over their choice of characters, I didn't insult yours.
Takamaru isn't a ninja, and there are no other samurais in Smash, a samurai's style of sword fighting is far different than any of the other swordsmen we have.

To me he feels too much like another Fire Emblem character. And I own Tin Star, the game is a riot.

 

[Louie G.]

@SaturnGamer64
Let's just say that there are more reasons to include K. Rool than there are to leave him out.
Although I can totally see him getting the shaft AGAIN.

Also, I'm considering Ghirahim too, although I'm leaning towards Tingle for a 6th Zelda character.
Tetra is cool but that's 3 Zeldas.

 

[Morbi]

To me he feels too much like another Fire Emblem character. And I own Tin Star, the game is a riot.

Takamaru; another Fire Emblem character? I don't even want to know how you feel about Marth 2.0 Chrom.

 

[JamesDNaux]

To me he feels too much like another Fire Emblem character. And I own Tin Star, the game is a riot.

"To me, Wonder Red feels too much like Captain Falcon"
"To me, Dillon feels too much like Sonic"
"To me, Tin Star feels too much like a Star Fox character."
"I own obscure game #857389 and it's a blast, it should get a character in Smash."

Are you spotting the problem now?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Here's a roster I wanna try, although I agree with my last one better (It's more of an alternate as it relies on a completely different situation):

Wolf: STOP! I didn't remove Wolf because of Pooper Maria and Titra. I had him removed from the last roster too. I don't think he's coming back seeing as he's not a majorly significant character and is a third Fox fighter. You're probably gonna argue that he's unique and planned for an installment prior to the one he was in, but so was Mewtwo and he was WAY more important than Wolf. I think Wolf was only really kept in for fan demand.

Mach Rider: It's much more likely that Mach Rider is going to be seen as too similar to Captain Falcon, but the last direct showed me that a lot of things are changing. I don't have Takamaru because I feel Greninja has tragically stolen his niche, so there is really no other retro I can think of.

Pale Tuna: It seems Palutena is really being teased right now. But, Pit's Sacred Treasures would have been a final smash regardless and the while I thought the Pseudo Palutena fake out was enough of a confirmation, you shouldn't look too deep into Sakurai's updates. The massive Kid Icarus content is the one and ONLY reason I even consider her remotely likely in the first place.

Tetra: I see no better choice (*cough*vaati*cough*). A lot of people tried to convince me that Sakurai doesn't care about newcomers long as we got the meews when I tried to add Genesect, but here we are with Greninja. I don't think it's at all risky to say that Sakurai will probably want a Zelda newcomer and I see no real reason why Tetra shouldn't be added. Sure there would be characters who are of Zelda's family, but I doubt Sakurai will care terribly as long as they have different names and identities.

All in all, I think my last roster was better, but I made this one in case things go down the other road.

 

[Pacack]

Yes he is. Creations Software was licensed to make a SNES super scope game so it does belong to Nintendo just like how Platinum was licensed to make a wii u gamepad game (W101). Franchises and characters are owned by Nintendo

Good to know. I was informed wrong.

 

[WonderSmash]

"To me, Wonder Red feels too much like Captain Falcon"
"To me, Dillon feels too much like Sonic"
"To me, Tin Star feels too much like a Star Fox character."
"I own obscure game #857389 and it's a blast, it should get a character in Smash."

Are you spotting the problem now?

Any reason you're are getting so defensive? I know this is the internet but I'm allowed to have an opinion.


And you did say you were open to opinions sooooo.......

 

[TumblrFamous]

Here's a roster I wanna try, although I agree with my last one better (It's more of an alternate as it relies on a completely different situation):
View attachment 12626

Wolf: STOP! I didn't remove Wolf because of Pooper Maria and Titra. I had him removed from the last roster too. I don't think he's coming back seeing as he's not a majorly significant character and is a third Fox fighter. You're probably gonna argue that he's unique and planned for an installment prior to the one he was in, but so was Mewtwo and he was WAY more important than Wolf. I think Wolf was only really kept in for fan demand.

Mach Rider: It's much more likely that Mach Rider is going to be seen as too similar to Captain Falcon, but the last direct showed me that a lot of things are changing. I don't have Takamaru because I feel Greninja has tragically stolen his niche, so there is really no other retro I can think of.

Pale Tuna: It seems Palutena is really being teased right now. But, Pit's Sacred Treasures would have been a final smash regardless and the while I thought the Pseudo Palutena fake out was enough of a confirmation, you shouldn't look too deep into Sakurai's updates. The massive Kid Icarus content is the one and ONLY reason I even consider her remotely likely in the first place.

Tetra: I see no better choice (*cough*vaati*cough*). A lot of people tried to convince me that Sakurai doesn't care about newcomers long as we got the meews when I tried to add Genesect, but here we are with Greninja. I don't think it's at all risky to say that Sakurai will probably want a Zelda newcomer and I see no real reason why Tetra shouldn't be added. Sure there would be characters who are of Zelda's family, but I doubt Sakurai will care terribly as long as they have different names and identities.

All in all, I think my last roster was better, but I made this one in case things go down the other road.

Palutena. That's really all this roster needs.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Any reason you're are getting so defensive? I know this is the internet but I'm allowed to have an opinion.

I'm not getting defensive, I'm pointing out the flaw in your statement. Surely you must know that Wonder Red is nothing like Captain Falcon because you've played the game, the point I was trying to make was that just because you don't know something about a character, doesn't make them a bad character.

 

[Louie G.]

@SaturnGamer64
I would definitely consider putting Palutena on your roster again, there's just so much going for her.
Wolf is an important Star Fox character and pretty unique overall, he's in a similar situation to Lucas.
I definitely love Mach Rider and I do agree about the whole Takamaru and Greninja thing.
So good job, just please bring Palutena back.
Also 4 DK characters is always a win in my book.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Palutena. That's really all this roster needs.

Why? Why is she so essential to everyone?

 

[Deleted member]

Just because you don't know something about a character, doesn't make them a bad character.

I'm gonna make this the official quote of the month! Thanks man!

 

[Morbi]

Here's a roster I wanna try, although I agree with my last one better (It's more of an alternate as it relies on a completely different situation):
View attachment 12626

Wolf: STOP! I didn't remove Wolf because of Pooper Maria and Titra. I had him removed from the last roster too. I don't think he's coming back seeing as he's not a majorly significant character and is a third Fox fighter. You're probably gonna argue that he's unique and planned for an installment prior to the one he was in, but so was Mewtwo and he was WAY more important than Wolf. I think Wolf was only really kept in for fan demand.

Mach Rider: It's much more likely that Mach Rider is going to be seen as too similar to Captain Falcon, but the last direct showed me that a lot of things are changing. I don't have Takamaru because I feel Greninja has tragically stolen his niche, so there is really no other retro I can think of.

Pale Tuna: It seems Palutena is really being teased right now. But, Pit's Sacred Treasures would have been a final smash regardless and the while I thought the Pseudo Palutena fake out was enough of a confirmation, you shouldn't look too deep into Sakurai's updates. The massive Kid Icarus content is the one and ONLY reason I even consider her remotely likely in the first place.

Tetra: I see no better choice (*cough*vaati*cough*). A lot of people tried to convince me that Sakurai doesn't care about newcomers long as we got the meews when I tried to add Genesect, but here we are with Greninja. I don't think it's at all risky to say that Sakurai will probably want a Zelda newcomer and I see no real reason why Tetra shouldn't be added. Sure there would be characters who are of Zelda's family, but I doubt Sakurai will care terribly as long as they have different names and identities.

All in all, I think my last roster was better, but I made this one in case things go down the other road.

This isn't an objective reason; but I feel as though another Donkey Kong representatives chance was during the Tropical Freeze marketing campaign/launch. I am not insinuating that we wont get one, but I am less inclined to believe that we will get both Dixie Kong and King K. Rool. That is just a personal relief based on a personal opinion that I felt like sharing. I would also assert that your Mewtwo reasoning in regards to Wolf is inherently flawed, but I don't really want to get into that.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Wolf is an important Star Fox character and pretty unique overall

That's really not a good reason to defend him staying. He's important, but in no way near essential. He's unique, but less unique than characters that have been removed already. Important characters are going to be removed. That just happens.

he's in a similar situation to Lucas.

Why???

 

[WonderSmash]

I'm not getting defensive, I'm pointing out the flaw in your statement. Surely you must know that Wonder Red is nothing like Captain Falcon because you've played the game, the point I was trying to make was that just because you don't know something about a character, doesn't make them a bad character.

Did I say they were bad characters? No. I was mainly striking up conversation about a popular newcomer. Your posts come off as cynical and insulting.

So instead of continuing this pointless bickering I'll propose this question. Takamuru is a samurai, aside from sword techniques how could he be unique and different from already confirmed characters?

Marth, Roy, Link, Chrom, Shulk etc etc etc have the swordplay covered and now Greninja has throwing stars. Does Takamuru have magic?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

This isn't an objective reason; but I feel as though another Donkey Kong representatives chance was during the Tropical Freeze marketing campaign/launch. I am not insinuating that we wont get one, but I am less inclined to believe that we will get both Dixie Kong and King K. Rool. That is just a personal relief based on a personal opinion that I felt like sharing. I would also assert that your Mewtwo reasoning in regards to Wolf is inherently flawed, but I don't really want to get into that.

I'm not hell bent on the likeliness of 4 DK reps. I find it unnecessary. What I'm trying to get at is that just because Wolf is mildly important, and mildly unique, doesn't mean he's likely to stay. My point is that it's the only defense I hear in regards to him staying and they are both things that haven't stopped characters from being removed.

If you want to argue that Wolf is more important than I say he is, that's different. But, just saying he's important...

 

[False Sense]

Why? Why is she so essential to everyone?

Probably because she's incredibly likely at this point. Everything seems to be pointing to her inclusion, and there's very little standing in her way.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Probably because she's incredibly likely at this point. Everything seems to be pointing to her inclusion, and there's very little standing in her way.

All I see that points to her is the high amount of Kid Icarus content and I guess you could try to infer that Pseudo Palutena was a tease for her, but that's debatable.

 

[Louie G.]

@SaturnGamer64

He's in a similar situation to Lucas in a few ways.
- "Dead series"
- Important character that could be cut
- Semi-clone with a few key differences

I think they're both returning, though. Lucas especially, since we need handheld Mother content.

I'll be honest about Palutena, I want her on everyone's roster because I flat out adore the character.
Although with all the special treatment KI is getting as of late another rep seems inevitable.

 

[Morbi]

I'm not hell bent on the likeliness of 4 DK reps. I find it unnecessary. What I'm trying to get at is that just because Wolf is mildly important, and mildly unique, doesn't mean he's likely to stay. My point is that it's the only defense I hear in regards to him staying and they are both things that haven't stopped characters from being removed.

If you want to argue that Wolf is more important than I say he is, that's different. But, just saying he's important...

No; I completely agree with your sentiment, I just feel as though that Mewtwo defense was flawed. I wouldn't have added that portion, it doesn't really defend your perspective effectively.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

Given that this game is coming out in about three months, we can start making more informed guesses about the roster size.

So far, we've seen six newcomers, way less than we'd seen three months before Brawl's release. It's become pretty obvious that this isn't going to be as substantial an increase as last time.

So how many more newcomers do we think we're going to get? Of the newcomers in Brawl, only Lucario, Wolf and ROB (and Toon Link if you count him) were kept secret until release. I think we can realistically expect to see two more newcomers before release, with a further two kept secret. At this point, it's unlikely we'll get more than that.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

He's in a similar situation to Lucas in a few ways.
- "Dead series"
- Important character that could be cut
- Semi-clone with a few key differences

...is that a good thing?

As for Palutena, I kind of feel like the Pseudo Palutena thing was a confirmation, but I don't want to be too sure about things. Palutena is treated like a shoe-in and she's not even close to that.

Also, is your Quoting thing broken?