Character Discussion Thread

[Louie G.]

Isaac and Shulk I'm super confident in, Chibi Robo and a Rhythm heaven guy I'm not sure, Wonder Red I highly doubt because the Wonderful 101 is still fairly new

Wonderful 101 came out before Pokemon X and Y.
Just saiyan.

 

[WonderSmash]

Hey guys, anyone want to talk about unrepresented IPs?
I'm thinking that Shulk, a Rhythm Heaven character, Chibi-Robo, and Wonder Red would be welcome additions to the roster.
Oh yeah, and Isaac too.

ooooh my cup of tea. We could go retro AND obscure here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_published_by_Nintendo

this list right here is a good way of remembering forgotten gems

 

[Deleted member]

Wrong.




He said that Namco characters weren't getting special treatment

That post was just asking for it

Wonder Red I highly doubt because the Wonderful 101 is still fairly new

Greninja & Lucario from Brawl say hi.

 

[Morbi]

Isaac and Shulk I'm super confident in, Chibi Robo and a Rhythm heaven guy I'm not sure, Wonder Red I highly doubt because the Wonderful 101 is still fairly new

When it comes to Isaac and Shulk, I go all Harry Potter on that... "Neither can live, while the other survives." It is so much more fun that way.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Hey guys, anyone want to talk about unrepresented IPs?
I'm thinking that Shulk, a Rhythm Heaven character, Chibi-Robo, and Wonder Red would be welcome additions to the roster.
Oh yeah, and Isaac too.

Diskun, Pac-Man, Nazo No Mura-the-same **** everyday and Mach Rider are the only ones left that I think are really warranted. Oh, and Xenoblade. I don't think Sakurai will add an IP unless it's very merited. Which is why I still have doubts about Shulk.

And let's not forget we could always get a Smash Original character. The SSE content is giving me slightly higher hopes for Tabuu.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I didn't see what the big deal with Palutena was until I played and beat Kid Icarus Uprising. It made me realize just how important and significant she is in that game. She's almost as important if not as important as Pit.

 

[Will]

I don't agree with Diddy, Dedede, Pit, Little Mac, and Greninja being unlockables. Meta Knight should be the unlockable. Pit might as well be confirmed as a starter seeing as he's in the opening, was a starter last time, and is a recent game. Little Mac I don't see being unlockable seeing how incredibly popular that IP is, and I think Greninja will be a starter since he's a starter Pokemon.

I also like your idea of having ZS and Sheik being easy to unlock seeing as they were originally starters and people will wonder where they are now that they are separate and have to be unlockable.

I chose the ones with movesets or abilities (Mac/Rosalina) that are most unique and if they are common unlockables. I also chose Pit for his nice revamp. And the Diddy/D3 was just a thought.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Greninja & Lucario from Brawl say hi.

The 19 year old Pokemon franchise says hi

 

[Louie G.]

I'm becoming increasingly confident in Wonder Red for a few reasons.

1. Sakurai's mysterious visit to Platinum Games headquarters.

2. Wonderful 101 was originally planned to star popular video game protagonists in an off-the-wall multidimensional game. Needless to say this idea was scrapped, but this fact makes me consider including a character from a game that was meant to star many famous Nintendo characters. Probably my weakest argument, just interesting to note.

3. Greninja.

 

[Morbi]

I didn't see what the big deal with Palutena was until I played and beat Kid Icarus Uprising. It made me realize just how important and significant she is in that game. She's almost as important if not as important as Pit.

I would argue that she is more important, from a narrative perspective.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'm becoming increasingly confident in Wonder Red for a few reasons.

1. Sakurai's mysterious visit to Platinum Games headquarters.

2. Wonderful 101 was originally planned to star popular video game protagonists in an off-the-wall multidimensional game. Needless to say this idea was scrapped, but this fact makes me consider including a character from a game that was meant to star many famous Nintendo characters. Probably my weakest argument, just interesting to note.

3. Greninja.

Greninja doesn't mean anything. Pokemon is a 19 year old franchise.

 

[Will]

I'm becoming increasingly confident in Wonder Red for a few reasons.

1. Sakurai's mysterious visit to Platinum Games headquarters.

2. Wonderful 101 was originally planned to star popular video game protagonists in an off-the-wall multidimensional game. Needless to say this idea was scrapped, but this fact makes me consider including a character from a game that was meant to star many famous Nintendo characters. Probably my weakest argument, just interesting to note.

3. Greninja.

I think I know why it was scrapped.

Disney Infinty

 

[Morbi]

I'm becoming increasingly confident in Wonder Red for a few reasons.

1. Sakurai's mysterious visit to Platinum Games headquarters.

2. Wonderful 101 was originally planned to star popular video game protagonists in an off-the-wall multidimensional game. Needless to say this idea was scrapped, but this fact makes me consider including a character from a game that was meant to star many famous Nintendo characters. Probably my weakest argument, just interesting to note.

3. Greninja.

I apologize; I am not following your reasoning. How is Greninja relevant or pertinent to Wonder Red's chance in Smash 4?

 

[Louie G.]

Greninja doesn't mean anything. Pokemon is a 19 year old franchise.

And Greninja is a 1/2 year old character.
Pokemon has hundreds of characters to choose from, yet Greninja was chosen.
I mean, Wonder Red's inclusion isn't necessarily warranted, but it's undeniably a possibility.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Oh, and Xenoblade. I don't think Sakurai will add an IP unless it's very merited. Which is why I still have doubts about Shulk.

I think the Xeno series is very merited.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

And Greninja is a 1/2 year old character.
Pokemon has hundreds of characters to choose from, yet Greninja was chosen.
I mean, Wonder Red's inclusion isn't necessarily warranted, but it's undeniably a possibility.

Okay, you're comparing the representation of a brand new franchise and the representation of a popular character of an old franchise. There is a difference. Wonder Red being a new character doesn't matter. Being too new of a franchise is what matters.

I think the Xeno series is very merited.

I wouldn't say "very" merited. It's probably less merited than Golden Sun. Which wasn't that merited compared to the kinds of IPs that make it into Smash.

 

[Louie G.]

I find Shulk more merited than Isaac simply because Xenoblade is much more relevant, while Golden Sun hasn't had a game for a while and doesn't even star Isaac anymore.
Which is why I often say that Isaac missed his chance when Golden Sun was hot off the presses.

 

[Morbi]

I find Shulk more merited than Isaac simply because Xenoblade is much more relevant, while Golden Sun hasn't had a game for a while and doesn't even star Isaac anymore.
Which is why I often say that Isaac missed his chance when Golden Sun was hot off the presses.

Do you mean recent? I find that they are both fairly equivalent in relevancy; Isaac is probably more relevant to Smash, as he has actually appeared in the franchise.

 

[Will]

Topic Change!

What retro series (that hasn't been already confirmed from previous games and this one) can have a second rep?

 

[Louie G.]

Topic Change!

What retro series (that hasn't been already confirmed from previous games and this one) can have a second rep?

Um...
Kid Icarus?
No other franchise can, and KI isn't even retro anymore.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I find Shulk more merited than Isaac simply because Xenoblade is much more relevant, while Golden Sun hasn't had a game for a while and doesn't even star Isaac anymore.
Which is why I often say that Isaac missed his chance when Golden Sun was hot off the presses.

I think more likely is the term I'm looking for. Xenoblade is certainly going to be seen as more important imo because of it being more relevant than Golden Sun.

 

[Louie G.]

Hey, you know what? I was watching the Rosalina portion of the Direct and something clicked.
We got Rosalina, and we've gotten a Galaxy stage and likely a ton of Galaxy content.
We got Greninja, and we've gotten quite a bit of X and Y content along with 2 stages so far.
We have Skyloft, and a ton of Skyward Sword content. Ghirahim is looking real good right now.

 

[Morbi]

Hey, you know what? I was watching the Rosalina portion of the Direct and something clicked.
We got Rosalina, and we've gotten a Galaxy stage and likely a ton of Galaxy content.
We got Greninja, and we've gotten quite a bit of X and Y content along with 2 stages so far.
We have Skyloft, and a ton of Skyward Sword content. Ghirahim is looking real good right now.

What Skyward Sword content are you alluding to? Aside from Skyloft, of course. I mean, we have the fairy bottle, and the bombchu. I don't necessarily find those entirely relevant to Skyward Sword. There was that one item (The Beetle?), but other than that, what was there?

The characters are designed as Twilight Princess and we have a Midna assist trophy (also TP) and Skull Kid (predominately Majora's Mask). The Gerudo Valley stage and Spirit Tracks stages aren't Skyward Sword content either.

Edit- Dat Wind Waker Link?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Hey, you know what? I was watching the Rosalina portion of the Direct and something clicked.
We got Rosalina, and we've gotten a Galaxy stage and likely a ton of Galaxy content.
We got Greninja, and we've gotten quite a bit of X and Y content along with 2 stages so far.
We have Skyloft, and a ton of Skyward Sword content. Ghirahim is looking real good right now.

I don't think so, Quistro. This is just my opinion, but in think there are more deserving Zelda characters

 

[YeppersPeppers]

What Skyward Sword content are you alluding to? Aside from Skyloft, of course. I mean, we have the fairy bottle, and the bombchu. I don't necessarily find those entirely relevant to Skyward Sword. There was that one item (The Beetle?), but other than that, what was there?

The Heart Container uses the SS design, and the Gust Bellows is an item.

Just sayin'.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Namco used to own the Xeno series, now Nintendo does. Nintendo and Namco are teaming up to make Super Smash Bros. Namco is getting representation in the game. Sakurai acknowledges Xenoblade's existence. Adding Shulk just seems so perfect. Not to mention X, (which is clearly a new Xeno game) all the requests he has in Japan and the critical acclaim Xenoblade has gotten. Also Sakurai seems to be adding a lot of newer characters, I don't see why Sakurai wouldn't want him in, it's not like he doesn't have the potential to be unique either.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Hey, you know what? I was watching the Rosalina portion of the Direct and something clicked.
We got Rosalina, and we've gotten a Galaxy stage and likely a ton of Galaxy content.
We got Greninja, and we've gotten quite a bit of X and Y content along with 2 stages so far.
We have Skyloft, and a ton of Skyward Sword content. Ghirahim is looking real good right now.

He's got a point...

I don't think so, Quistro. This is just my opinion, but in think there are more deserving Zelda characters

Yeah, sorry Louie G., but I still think Tetra is in the lead.

 

[Louie G.]

I don't think so, Quistro.

Name another plausible Skyward Sword character.

And Morbid, I did mean the items. I'd prefer Tingle, honestly.

 

[Morbi]

Name another plausible Skyward Sword character.

And Morbid, I did mean the items. I'd prefer Tingle, honestly.

Groose; the most plausible Skyward Sword character.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Name another plausible Skyward Sword character.

Who said it had to be a Skyward Sword character?

Groose; the most plausible Skyward Sword character.

He's got you there

 

[Louie G.]

Who said it had to be a Skyward Sword character?

I was referring to the Skyward Sword content in Smash Bros, so it can't help say, Tingle or Tetra because they didn't even appear in the game.

 

[FlareHabanero]

So I presume there are others out there willing to try all the veterans again to see how the varies adjustments effect the characters? Because I really want to try out Zelda, Bowser, and Pit.

 

[Morbi]

So I presume there are others out there willing to try all the veterans again to see how the varies adjustments effect the characters? Because I really want to try out Zelda, Bowser, and Pit.

I do that every Smash; run through the entire roster 3 or 4 times before I actually slow down and start playing the characters I like. This time around, it seems like there is even more incentive (more drastic changes, move-set customization, perhaps less newcomers). So I will be sure to try all the veterans extensively before I move on.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Considering Xenoblade Chronicles is a critically acclaimed game, did very well for what little exposure it received and such, I think the series itself has a pretty good shot of getting some representation, including Shulk as a playable character.

Shulk himself is one of the most unique newcomers you could ask for. Sure, he has a sword. However, his sword, the Monado, has powers that separate his abilities from any potential swordsman available at the moment. With X as a spiritual successor to Xenoblade Chronicles, it could be argues that Shulk and his game have left their mark on Nintendo. It's been a rare occurrence for Nintendo to put a good amount of thought into a new IP.

Anyway, the Monado is not your average sword. It has magic powers that no other character can replicate. It can grow in size, create shields, create a cyclone, as well as several other abilities. Combine this with the abilities that Shulk has on his own: Different arts that do more damage based on where Shulk is opposed to his enemy. Backslash does more damage form behind, an attack that can stun the enemy,etc...

The Falchion has nothing on the Monado. They aren't comparable.

While Xenoblade is a relatively smaller game than most other franchises currently in Smash, Shulk represents a better than average JRPG, that revitalized the genre in a day and age where the JRPG has been on the decline. Shulk is one of the more unique and new Nintendo characters. Shulk has far more going for him than being the new kid on the block.

 

[Morbi]

Considering Xenoblade Chronicles is a critically acclaimed game, did very well for what little exposure it received and such, I think the series itself has a pretty good shot of getting some representation, including Shulk as a playable character.

Shulk himself is one of the most unique newcomers you could ask for. Sure, he has a sword. However, his sword, the Monado, has powers that separate his abilities from any potential swordsman available at the moment. With X as a spiritual successor to Xenoblade Chronicles, it could be argues that Shulk and his game have left their mark on Nintendo. It's been a rare occurrence for Nintendo to put a good amount of thought into a new IP.

Anyway, the Monado is not your average sword. It has magic powers that no other character can replicate. It can grow in size, create shields, create a cyclone, as well as several other abilities. Combine this with the abilities that Shulk has on his own: Different arts that do more damage based on where Shulk is opposed to his enemy. Backslash does more damage form behind, an attack that can stun the enemy,etc...

The Falchion has nothing on the Monado. They aren't comparable.

While Xenoblade is a relatively smaller game than most other franchises currently in Smash, Shulk represents a better than average JRPG, that revitalized the genre in a day and age where the JRPG has been on the decline. Shulk is one of the more unique and new Nintendo characters. Shulk has far more going for him than being the new kid on the block.

I honestly want Shulk in the game for one reason; surprisingly, you didn't mention it... Shulk has a British accent. I also feel as though his inclusion to Smash would be beneficial for the franchise, not only does it promote the more recent installments, but it also acknowledges the success of the past installments. Nintendo needs to start advocating IP without Mario, Zelda, or Pokemon in the title (IMO).

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Rosalina probably got in because along with being a popular and recurring character Sakurai thought of an interesting ideq for her and Greninja probably got in because Sakurai wants to have a Pokemon from the newest gen. He made Lucario higher priority than Mewtwo in Brawl and he tried to add a 2nd gen Pokemon in Melee before Pichu, but nothing worked out. That or Game Freak is always pushing for a Pokemon from the newest gen, which would make sense. I don't think Sakurai would add a one shot villain who will soon become irrelevant, unlike Rosalina and Greninja.

 

[Leafeon523]

I don't think Sakurai would add a one shot villain who will soon become irrelevant, unlike Rosalina and Greninja.

Then he could add Vaati instead

 

[IsmaR]

So I presume there are others out there willing to try all the veterans again to see how the varies adjustments effect the characters? Because I really want to try out Zelda, Bowser, and Pit.

I main Random so I have no choice but to do that. I do feel that certain veterans will get more usage from me, like obviously both Samii, Bowser, Dedede and Charizard. Will probably add Kirby and Donkey Kong to that list down the line.

I'm curious as to how Sheik, Peach, Fox, Mario, Yoshi and Link will be this time, as they've all gotten progressively worse from Melee onwards, and I expect that to not be the case this time around based solely on what we've seen and a tiny hint of optimism.

Honestly, the only newcomers I'm ecstatic to play as thus far are Wii Fit Trainer and Little Mac.

Shulk

The game's gonna come out, and I'm still not going to know him as anything other than that one guy like all of Smashboards wants.

 

[Deleted member]

I main Random so I have no choice but to do that. I do feel that certain veterans will get more usage from me, like obviously both Samii, Bowser, Dedede and Charizard. Will probably add Kirby and Donkey Kong to that list down the line.

I'm curious as to how Sheik, Peach, Fox, Mario, Yoshi and Link will be this time, as they've all gotten progressively worse from Melee onwards, and I expect that to not be the case this time around based solely on what we've seen and a tiny hint of optimism.

I have a terrible feeling Captain Falcon will be bad again...

 

[Morbi]

I main Random so I have no choice but to do that. I do feel that certain veterans will get more usage from me, like obviously both Samii, Bowser, Dedede and Charizard. Will probably add Kirby and Donkey Kong to that list down the line.

I'm curious as to how Sheik, Peach, Fox, Mario, Yoshi and Link will be this time, as they've all gotten progressively worse from Melee onwards, and I expect that to not be the case this time around based solely on what we've seen and a tiny hint of optimism.

Honestly, the only newcomers I'm ecstatic to play as thus far are Wii Fit Trainer and Little Mac.



The game's gonna come out, and I'm still not going to know him as anything other than that one guy like all of Smashboards wants.

I tried playing the game (Xenoblade); to understand his character better, it didn't really help to be perfectly honest. I am just going to pretend that he is Harry Potter or something and enjoy him if he gets in.