Character Discussion Thread

[TheLastJinjo]

His Final Smash has to be deafening everyone with that shrill cry from Yoshi's Island.

You mean the one that's really not that annoying, but everyone cries about? (no pun intended)

 

[Eight Melodies]

I agree that Namco Bandai (aka supposed fighting game experts) being involved with the game would make balancing a larger roster easier, but I haven't played any of their recent fighting games (in fact, I've only played Soul Calibur II and Tekken 5, both of which are approximately a decade old), so I'm not sure how much easier the balancing would be.

Tekken Tag 2 is pretty well balanced and has 55 characters. Even bottom tier characters are more just mediocre rather than bad. It also has a good netcode in my experience.

 

[Pacack]

Tekken Tag 2 is pretty well balanced and has 55 characters. Even bottom tier characters are more just mediocre rather than bad. It also has a good netcode in my experience.

Speaking of Tekken Tag Team, considering that Namco did the work on that, what characters could be used in a Tekken Tag Team-inspired duo (only one character is vulnerable at a time and both characters have their own moveset, but they switch extremely quickly and can combo with each other's moves)? I could see a Chrom/Robin tag team working there, but I'd honestly rather have Robin alone as a stance-change character.

 

[Sebz]

Well, I'm bored today so I'll pose a question to you guys just for fun:
What would your reaction be if Genesect got in over Mewtwo?

P.S: Not asking for chances or whatever, just want to get some reactions outta you guys.

 

[FalKoopa]

@ Pacack
Sakurai already disconfirmed characters like that.

In particular, he said he wanted players to concentrate only on one particular moveset throughout the match.

 

[Pacack]

@ Pacack
Sakurai already disconfirmed characters like that.

In particular, he said he wanted players to concentrate only on one particular moveset throughout the match.

Theoretically, at least, who would you choose?

 

[Substitution]

Theoretically, at least, who would you choose?

There can only be one:

 

[Headcrab Jackalope]

Well, I'm bored today so I'll pose a question to you guys just for fun:
What would your reaction be if Genesect got in over Mewtwo?

P.S: Not asking for chances or whatever, just want to get some reactions outta you guys.

Genesect is 1000 times better than Mewtwo, so I'd be so flipping happy.

Also your signature GIFs are amazing.

 

[FalKoopa]

Theoretically, at least, who would you choose?

The only characters I could come up with were Banjo & Kazooie. ._.

 

[Pacack]

The only characters I could come up with were Banjo & Kazooie. ._.

 

[Substitution]

The only characters I could come up with were Banjo & Kazooie. ._.

Well...

My condolences go to the bear and bird.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I can only Dream...
Or we could raid M$.

 

[Eight Melodies]

Maybe in a future Smash game they could combine Mario and Luigi as a tag team with moves taken from the M&L series.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

I love the idea of a Rhythm Heave character becoming playable.

Chorus Men, it's showtime!

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

Well, I'm bored today so I'll pose a question to you guys just for fun:
What would your reaction be if Genesect got in over Mewtwo?

P.S: Not asking for chances or whatever, just want to get some reactions outta you guys.

I would throw my DS at a wall. Don't worry I wouldn't cry for a week, just 3 days.

Yeah, I would be upset.

 

[False Sense]

Well, I'm bored today so I'll pose a question to you guys just for fun:
What would your reaction be if Genesect got in over Mewtwo?

P.S: Not asking for chances or whatever, just want to get some reactions outta you guys.

I'd probably feel similarly to when Greninja was revealed; confused and upset, although probably worse since that would basically completely rule out the possibility of Mewtwo being in. Especially since I doubt that Genesect would stay long on the roster.

 

[Morbi]

Well, I'm bored today so I'll pose a question to you guys just for fun:
What would your reaction be if Genesect got in over Mewtwo?

P.S: Not asking for chances or whatever, just want to get some reactions outta you guys.

I honestly wouldn't mind too much; I am tired of predicting everything with so much accuracy. Something surprising needs to happen eventually.

 

[False Sense]

I honestly wouldn't mind too much; I am tired of predicting everything with so much accuracy. Something surprising needs to happen eventually.

So... What all ARE you expecting, and what would you consider surprising? I'm curious.

 

[Morbi]

So... What all ARE you expecting, and what would you consider surprising? I'm curious.

At this point; Ridley (ever since the Direct) and Palutena are the most obvious additions; Mewtwo is all but confirmed. I would be surprised to see some of my more interesting character speculations being included such as Bandanna Dee or Black Shadow. Another Zelda representative seems obvious, it is actually quite humorous, but I am not entirely positive in another Fire Emblem representative, I don't see us getting one (unfortunately).

Ever since the beginning, I asserted that a 50 character roster seems ideal (25% roster increase, 10 newcomers and Mewtwo, less newcomers than any other installment which correlates with statements made by Sakurai). However, the only "overt" omissions were Pokemon Trainer and perhaps Snake, Ice Climbers if he couldn't get them to work. So I am not sure if we are going to be surprised by the amount of characters, I doubt it though.

So; if I am correct; we already have 6 newcomers, so we need four more (Ridley, Palutena, Zelda representative, and a retro/obscure/3rd party character). Again, since he has removed two characters, we might get two newcomers. Pac-Man might replace Snake. I believe the most logical Zelda representative is Tingle, closely followed by Ghirahim. I don't buy into any other Zelda character.

After that, I can only guess that one of my weird characters makes it in (Bandanna Dee, Black Shadow, Hades/Medusa, or a Fire Emblem Representative, most likely Chrom).

I don't buy into the Chorus Men leak; not into it.

Most of the speculating is already done; there aren't many characters left to be revealed and they are most likely the obvious choices. If I had to list what I actually predict, it would be...
1. Mewtwo
2. Ridley
3. Palutena
4. Tingle
5. Bandanna Dee

Or something to that effect. I am betting against Harry Potter Shulk, Isaac, Dixie Kong to be perfectly honest.

Takamaru and King K. Rool might be another slot if those cuts were meant to "make room".

I am not the best speculator in the world or anything like that, I was mostly joking because my success rate for this game is really high. I got Toon Link, Rosalina, Charizard solo, Phantom as a move, Little Mac. Greninja was an odd choice; I wasn't surprised by him, but most people selecting him in "Kalos Trainer or Gen 6 Trainer" so I don't feel as though he was a character that was really "up for grabs," he was clearly unexpected by the masses.

I don't know if this is what you were asking for, these are just my general predictions. Haha.

 

[False Sense]

At this point; Ridley (ever since the Direct) and Palutena are the most obvious additions; Mewtwo is all but confirmed. I would be surprised to see some of my more interesting character speculations being included such as Bandanna Dee or Black Shadow. Another Zelda representative seems obvious, it is actually quite humorous, but I am not entirely positive in another Fire Emblem representative, I don't see us getting one (unfortunately).

Ever since the beginning, I asserted that a 50 character roster seems ideal (25% roster increase, 10 newcomers and Mewtwo, less newcomers than any other installment which correlates with statements made by Sakurai). However, the only "overt" omissions were Pokemon Trainer and perhaps Snake, Ice Climbers if he couldn't get them to work. So I am not sure if we are going to be surprised by the amount of characters, I doubt it though.

So; if I am correct; we already have 6 newcomers, so we need four more (Ridley, Palutena, Zelda representative, and a retro/obscure/3rd party character). Again, since he has removed two characters, we might get two newcomers. Pac-Man might replace Snake. I believe the most logical Zelda representative is Tingle, closely followed by Ghirahim. I don't buy into any other Zelda character.

After that, I can only guess that one of my weird characters makes it in (Bandanna Dee, Black Shadow, Hades/Medusa, or a Fire Emblem Representative, most likely Chrom).

I don't buy into the Chorus Men leak; not into it.

Most of the speculating is already done; there aren't many characters left to be revealed and they are most likely the obvious choices. If I had to list what I actually predict, it would be...
1. Mewtwo
2. Ridley
3. Palutena
4. Tingle
5. Bandanna Dee

Or something to that effect. I am betting against Harry Potter Shulk, Isaac, Dixie Kong to be perfectly honest.

Takamaru and King K. Rool might be another slot if those cuts were meant to "make room".

I am not the best speculator in the world or anything like that, I was mostly joking because my success rate for this game is really high. I got Toon Link, Rosalina, Charizard solo, Phantom as a move, Little Mac. Greninja was an odd choice; I wasn't surprised by him, but most people selecting him in "Kalos Trainer or Gen 6 Trainer" so I don't feel as though he was a character that was really "up for grabs," he was clearly unexpected by the masses.

I don't know if this is what you were asking for, these are just my general predictions. Haha.

Huh. Well, that's rather interesting. If you don't mind me asking, why do you think a new Zelda character is so likely, while a new Fire Emblem character who hopefully isn't Chrom is not that likely? That seems to be the reverse of what the majority of Smashboard members feel, it seems, so what makes you think otherwise?

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Speaking of Tekken Tag Team, considering that Namco did the work on that, what characters could be used in a Tekken Tag Team-inspired duo (only one character is vulnerable at a time and both characters have their own moveset, but they switch extremely quickly and can combo with each other's moves)? I could see a Chrom/Robin tag team working there, but I'd honestly rather have Robin alone as a stance-change character.

I think Wes with and Espeon/Umbreon tag team could be really neat.

Sadly, that will never happen.....

 

[Louie G.]

Can someone explain to me why the Direct HELPS Ridley?
I'm still having trouble figuring that one out.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Huh. Well, that's rather interesting. If you don't mind me asking, why do you think a new Zelda character is so likely, while a new Fire Emblem character who hopefully isn't Chrom is not that likely? That seems to be the reverse of what the majority of Smashboard members feel, it seems, so what makes you think otherwise?

Majority opinion doesn't make something right or likely. If somebody came here with a proposal for Wii Fit Trainer or Greninja then the majority of users here would dismiss it. There's a lot of things people think on here that are ridiculous or have already been proven wrong. One time I replaced Lucario with Genesect on my roster because I thought Sakurai would think a newcomer Pokemon is important, but EEEEVERYONE else said "Sakurai doesn't care about newcomer Pokemon. He only cares about the most important ones. We'll be fine just adding Mewtwo." And look what happened.

Actually, now that I think about it, @Ariand/AEM is the one I argued with about newcomer Pokemon being important and told me that everyone else says it doesn't matter. And that minority opinion makes you automatically wrong.

 

[Morbi]

Huh. Well, that's rather interesting. If you don't mind me asking, why do you think a new Zelda character is so likely, while a new Fire Emblem character who hopefully isn't Chrom is not that likely? That seems to be the reverse of what the majority of Smashboard members feel, it seems, so what makes you think otherwise?

Oh dear; that is another text-wall, I am going to attempt to shorten it; keep all of the relevant details. This mostly has to do with my assertion that a 50 character roster is the most ideal; once one considers that Brawl contained 39 character (40; had Mewtwo been finished), one would find that a 10 character increase (again, a 25% roster increase) is reasonable. However, we have already had 6 newcomers revealed; if we only had 10 newcomers, this leaves us with a painful 4 more newcomers. Something no one wants to see happen, of course. If we only have 4 more; one was always going to go to a Kid Icarus representative. Prior to the Direct, I didn't believe Ridley was a very likely candidate, I used to reserve this slot for an "obvious representative" which most accepted as Ridley or King K. Rool. In this case, I believe Ridley to be the second most likely inclusion, after Mewtwo (which in this example, is already included).

That is two out of the four characters reserved. That leaves one for a "Big" series, another Mario character? Another Donkey Kong character? Another Legend of Zelda character? We already know that another character from any of these series is likely. One more Mario character wouldn't be a stretch, one more Donkey Kong character is deemed necessary, and another Zelda character is likely based on the precedent of Sakurai's implied intent (Brawl was supposed to have an additional TWO Zelda characters, so one doesn't seem so far-fetched for the next installment). This quite literally leaves us with one more character from ALL OTHER SERIES IN THE GAME. Double representation from Donkey Kong? It is possible. The point? There are another dozen franchises that could receive another newcomer, even more when one considers all of the series NOT represented such as Golden Sun or Xenoblade. We might get another 3rd party or retro as well!

In the end; is Fire Emblem the MOST important franchise out of all other possibilities? I hardly believe that is the case.

That being said, I made this assumption before Pokemon Trainer was confirmed to be cut. He could be cutting characters to make room, that would indicate that this entire hypothesis (which was based on minimal cuts) is irrelevant.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I think it's totally plausible that Sakurai is looking for a Zelda newcomer, just because we haven't had one since Melee. Not counting Toon Link of course.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I think it's totally plausible that Sakurai is looking for a Zelda newcomer, just because we haven't had one since Melee. Not counting Toon Link of course.

We haven't had a Zelda newcomer since Melee, not counting that one Zelda newcomer we got in Brawl.

 

[Morbi]

Can someone explain to me why the Direct HELPS Ridley?
I'm still having trouble figuring that one out.

It doesn't help him; it had no bearing on his chances, here is a post of mine I found from Monday. It was a ***** to find, I am not going to edit it, it was obviously in response to someone. Just ignore that, here I assert my interpretation of Ridley's chances and why I believe the Direct actually made it overt that he was included as a playable character.
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If you haven't been convinced as of current, nothing I could possibly say would influence your decision. But you are correct, I NEVER assert that a character is definitively in the game unless I am truly confident. The only character that has ever been afforded that respect was Mewtwo.

Ridley is the most prominent and prevalent Metroid character aside from Samus. There is an overt series discrepancy with Metroid, it is one of the most notable Nintendo franchises with only one representative. So Ridley IS the definitive choice for the roster in regards to Metroid. His popularity is staggering, as someone mentioned earlier, it is literally impossible for Sakurai to discern Little Mac's popularity in the West while disregarding Ridley's. Sakurai has also personally spoken on account of Ridley; that is something, in my opinion, that demonstrates an interest in the character. He is also one of the most relevant characters pertaining to the Smash series, he appears in every title.

His role as a boss character was already used in the last installment, this could conceive a precedent that entails his return as a boss character; however, I believe that Ridley has been one of the least stagnant characters in Smash. He was a background character, an opening cameo, and a boss character. Reintroducing the character as a stage-hazard is seemingly diverse; but it is slightly redundant when one considers that he is essentially a glorified background character. The most logical innovation for the character is to become included in the roster.

Sakurai's intent; it is easy for some individuals to make unsupported accusations alluding to Sakurai as a "troll." This is not the case, Sakurai, is merely attempting to market his game in an original or creative way. If you notice, the entire "mystery" around Ridley is purposefully ambiguous. As someone who is quite familiar with the structure of novels, it is blatantly overt that he is attempting to incite discussion; he is introducing us to context that is malleable. This is the same with Ridley's introduction as a silhouette. One must not ponder one what he was stating, that is propaganda 101. You must articulate what he was attempting to convey. Again, he wanted to reveal something about Ridley; the perfect opportunity to reveal a second boss character arose, he didn't insinuate anything in regards to Ridley. It was just audio over a clip. Secondly, silhouettes are notoriously used for... keeping something a secret. If Sakurai wanted to keep Ridley's fate ambiguous, he would not have stated anything in regards to Ridley (which he didn't). So it is logical to assume that had he wanted us to learn about Ridley, he would have shown us the model. Had he wanted to keep Ridley under wraps, he wouldn't have introduced the clip.

Surely, even if you are skeptical, you have to admit that the choice was odd. Why keep his boss status indeterminate and blatantly give it away at the same time? That is irrational and counter-intuitive. It is all about the theatrics, he wants to generate hype for the event 2 months away.

Let us go back to square one, don't you think we would have learned that Ridley is a boss character if he was one? We have seen dozens of Pyrosphere photos, nothing would indicate a stage-hazard, least of all Ridley. No respected developer would "taunt" fans of their product about the inclusion of their most demanded character so consistently if they never intended to add whatever it is the fans wanted. It would be much more wise to get the Ridley reveal out of the way if it was unfavorable, he is indicating to us that the reveal is something good and unexpected. Not something expected and boring. He is not ignorant enough to accumulate such labored disdain. The Direct was full of such practice. The Palutena quiz and fallacious Zero-Suit Samus deconfirmations come to mind.

Remember, it was an audio clip over an edited game-play clip that was intended to be ambiguous. Do you want to rely on that as "evidence" of his non-inclusion?

 

[Rockaphin]

Well, I'm bored today so I'll pose a question to you guys just for fun:
What would your reaction be if Genesect got in over Mewtwo?

P.S: Not asking for chances or whatever, just want to get some reactions outta you guys.

I'd personally be upset due to me not caring for Genesect. I think Genesect would be a somewhat deserving Pokémon rep. Just one I don't care too much about. So in the end, yes I'd be mad but I would probably get over it.

 

[False Sense]

Majority opinion doesn't make something right or likely. If somebody came here with a proposal for Wii Fit Trainer or Greninja then the majority of users here would dismiss it. There's a lot of things people think on here that are ridiculous or have already been proven wrong. One time I replaced Lucario with Genesect on my roster because I thought Sakurai would think a newcomer Pokemon is important, but EEEEVERYONE else said "Sakurai doesn't care about newcomer Pokemon. He only cares about the most important ones. We'll be fine just adding Mewtwo." And look what happened.

Actually, now that I think about it, @Ariand/AEM is the one I argued with about newcomer Pokemon being important and told me that everyone else says it doesn't matter. And that minority opinion makes you automatically wrong.

Er, that wasn't the main point I was trying to make. That was simply an observation on my part; of course a majority opinion isn't always right. I was just curious as to what reasons Morbid had for believing otherwise. After all, there's always the perfectly plausible possibility that the majority of people are wrong, so it's good to see some alternative opinions.

 

[Andinus]

It doesn't help him; it had no bearing on his chances, here is a post of mine I found from Monday. It was a ***** to find, I am not going to edit it, it was obviously in response to someone. Just ignore that, here I assert my interpretation of Ridley's chances and why I believe the Direct actually made it overt that he was included as a playable character.
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If you haven't been convinced as of current, nothing I could possibly say would influence your decision. But you are correct, I NEVER assert that a character is definitively in the game unless I am truly confident. The only character that has ever been afforded that respect was Mewtwo.

Ridley is the most prominent and prevalent Metroid character aside from Samus. There is an overt series discrepancy with Metroid, it is one of the most notable Nintendo franchises with only one representative. So Ridley IS the definitive choice for the roster in regards to Metroid. His popularity is staggering, as someone mentioned earlier, it is literally impossible for Sakurai to discern Little Mac's popularity in the West while disregarding Ridley's. Sakurai has also personally spoken on account of Ridley; that is something, in my opinion, that demonstrates an interest in the character. He is also one of the most relevant characters pertaining to the Smash series, he appears in every title.

His role as a boss character was already used in the last installment, this could conceive a precedent that entails his return as a boss character; however, I believe that Ridley has been one of the least stagnant characters in Smash. He was a background character, an opening cameo, and a boss character. Reintroducing the character as a stage-hazard is seemingly diverse; but it is slightly redundant when one considers that he is essentially a glorified background character. The most logical innovation for the character is to become included in the roster.

Sakurai's intent; it is easy for some individuals to make unsupported accusations alluding to Sakurai as a "troll." This is not the case, Sakurai, is merely attempting to market his game in an original or creative way. If you notice, the entire "mystery" around Ridley is purposefully ambiguous. As someone who is quite familiar with the structure of novels, it is blatantly overt that he is attempting to incite discussion; he is introducing us to context that is malleable. This is the same with Ridley's introduction as a silhouette. One must not ponder one what he was stating, that is propaganda 101. You must articulate what he was attempting to convey. Again, he wanted to reveal something about Ridley; the perfect opportunity to reveal a second boss character arose, he didn't insinuate anything in regards to Ridley. It was just audio over a clip. Secondly, silhouettes are notoriously used for... keeping something a secret. If Sakurai wanted to keep Ridley's fate ambiguous, he would not have stated anything in regards to Ridley (which he didn't). So it is logical to assume that had he wanted us to learn about Ridley, he would have shown us the model. Had he wanted to keep Ridley under wraps, he wouldn't have introduced the clip.

Surely, even if you are skeptical, you have to admit that the choice was odd. Why keep his boss status indeterminate and blatantly give it away at the same time? That is irrational and counter-intuitive. It is all about the theatrics, he wants to generate hype for the event 2 months away.

Let us go back to square one, don't you think we would have learned that Ridley is a boss character if he was one? We have seen dozens of Pyrosphere photos, nothing would indicate a stage-hazard, least of all Ridley. No respected developer would "taunt" fans of their product about the inclusion of their most demanded character so consistently if they never intended to add whatever it is the fans wanted. It would be much more wise to get the Ridley reveal out of the way if it was unfavorable, he is indicating to us that the reveal is something good and unexpected. Not something expected and boring. He is not ignorant enough to accumulate such labored disdain. The Direct was full of such practice. The Palutena quiz and fallacious Zero-Suit Samus deconfirmations come to mind.

Remember, it was an audio clip over an edited game-play clip that was intended to be ambiguous. Do you want to rely on that as "evidence" of his non-inclusion?

I can definitely get on board with the line of thinking that, if Ridley was a boss or just a boss character, why not show him already? Him being a boss is old news, so who cares? And why hide it?
Again I feel nobody is confirmed until they are confirmed, but that whole stunt with just showing his shadow would seem kind of dumb just to hide from us a boss we have essentially already seen.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Ridley is the most prominent and prevalent Metroid character aside from Samus. There is an overt series discrepancy with Metroid, it is one of the most notable Nintendo franchises with only one representative.

So Ridley IS the definitive choice for the roster in regards to Metroid. His popularity is staggering, as someone mentioned earlier, it is literally impossible for Sakurai to discern Little Mac's popularity in the West while disregarding Ridley's.

No it isn't. I'd also like to add that saying a character got in for being requested and your only reason being that they were requested is like saying a character got in for being recent and you're only proof being that they were recent.

Little Mac is incredibly important. His requests are irrelevant unless confirmed otherwise by Sakurai. Same goes for Brawl newcomers not yet confirmed to be influenced by requests.

Sakurai has also personally spoken on account of Ridley; that is something, in my opinion, that demonstrates an interest in the character. He is also one of the most relevant characters pertaining to the Smash series, he appears in every title.

Not yet seeing why these are reasons why the being a boss doesn't deconfirm Ridley.

His role as a boss character was already used in the last installment, this could conceive a precedent that entails his return as a boss character; however, I believe that Ridley has been one of the least stagnant characters in Smash. He was a background character, an opening cameo, and a boss character. Reintroducing the character as a stage-hazard is seemingly diverse; but it is slightly redundant when one considers that he is essentially a glorified background character. The most logical innovation for the character is to become included in the roster.

I find this to ironically prove the ridicolousness of the Ridley denial more than the plausibility that he's a playable character. Your argument is that it's bull **** that he's not a playable character so he must be. A lot of bull **** things happen in Super Smash Brothers, but fans need to get over it. Saying something is likely because you find it stupid if it doesn't happen is just not accepting that it factually didn't happen. Which is denial.

Sakurai's intent; it is easy for some individuals to make unsupported accusations alluding to Sakurai as a "troll." This is not the case, Sakurai, is merely attempting to market his game in an original or creative way.

THANK YOU!!! I am so tired of people saying Sakurai is intentionally trolling every time they don't get what they want.

If you notice, the entire "mystery" around Ridley is purposefully ambiguous. As someone who is quite familiar with the structure of novels, it is blatantly overt that he is attempting to incite discussion; he is introducing us to context that is malleable. This is the same with Ridley's introduction as a silhouette. One must not ponder one what he was stating, that is propaganda 101. You must articulate what he was attempting to convey. Again, he wanted to reveal something about Ridley; the perfect opportunity to reveal a second boss character arose, he didn't insinuate anything in regards to Ridley. It was just audio over a clip. Secondly, silhouettes are notoriously used for... keeping something a secret. If Sakurai wanted to keep Ridley's fate ambiguous, he would not have stated anything in regards to Ridley (which he didn't). So it is logical to assume that had he wanted us to learn about Ridley, he would have shown us the model. Had he wanted to keep Ridley under wraps, he wouldn't have introduced the clip.

It's not just a silhouette. You can see the wing in this video at 7:21

Even if it was just a silhouette. He was directly referred to as a boss.

Surely, even if you are skeptical, you have to admit that the choice was odd. Why keep his boss status indeterminate and blatantly give it away at the same time? That is irrational and counter-intuitive. It is all about the theatrics, he wants to generate hype for the event 2 months away.

To be honest, I think Ridley makes WAY more sense as a boss than a playable character.

Let us go back to square one, don't you think we would have learned that Ridley is a boss character if he was one?

We did. It was directly told to us. Did you see the direct?

We have seen dozens of Pyrosphere photos, nothing would indicate a stage-hazard, least of all Ridley.

Except holes and the quote saying "An enemy from Samus's past could appear at any minute."

No respected developer would "taunt" fans of their product about the inclusion of their most demanded character so consistently if they never intended to add whatever it is the fans wanted.

Sakurai doesn't just add whatever fans want. And he's not concerned about making every deconfirmation of a requested character into a big deal like it's a funeral.

You should know by now that he just doesn't do that. In other words, he doesn't give a **** how you feel about newcomers being deconfirmed.

It would be much more wise to get the Ridley reveal out of the way if it was unfavorable, he is indicating to us that the reveal is something good and unexpected.

Then I guess Sakurai isn't wise. Not that anything implied that he didn't constantly make unwise decisions.

Not something expected and boring. He is not ignorant enough to accumulate such labored disdain.

Yes he is.

The Direct was full of such practice. The Palutena quiz and fallacious Zero-Suit Samus deconfirmations come to mind.

Teasing a veteran and just having fun with the quiz? You're looking to deep into this.

Remember, it was an audio clip over an edited game-play clip that was intended to be ambiguous. Do you want to rely on that as "evidence" of his non-inclusion?

Of course. But, I like to think of it more as undeniable proof more than evidence.

 

[Deleted member]

Until we get a fake-out where Pyrosphere's boss is something on the order of the Rhedogian or the Vorash, any argument towards Ridley being playable is just delusion in my eyes.

 

[Deleted member]

Until we get a fake-out where Pyrosphere's boss is something on the order of the Rhedogian or the Vorash, any argument towards Ridley being playable is just delusion in my eyes.

Only one I can think of at this moment is the possibility of a R.O.B. scenario and even that is grasping at straws. I've practically given up on Ridley at this point.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Only one I can think of at this moment is the possibility of a R.O.B. scenario and even that is grasping at straws. I've practically given up on Ridley at this point.

ROB scenario? I don't think a statue of a ROB really compares to Ridley as a boss.

 

[Deleted member]

ROB scenario? I don't think a statue of a ROB really compares to Ridley as a boss.

That's why I said "grasping at straw".

 

[TheLastJinjo]

How come I haven't heard any ridiculous arguments that we gotta have Bowser Jr because there are 2 brothers and 2 princesses?

 

[TumblrFamous]

How come I haven't heard any ridiculous arguments that we gotta have Bowser Jr because there are 2 brothers and 2 princesses?

Because we're not as stupid as you think.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I believe Ridley still has an incredibly slim chance. Being only a bit more likely than Pichu returning without the help of possible DLC.

I'm leaning more towards Ridley not being playable at this point. Unlike Sakurai's comment when the Pyrosphere was first revealed, Ridley, while still not being directly mentioned, did partially show up, at the same moment Sakurai said that boss characters appear in other stages well.

Toon Link and R.O.B.'s former situations could help him I suppose. But at least in Toon Link's case, the Spirit Tracks Link and Alfonzo have no known function on the stage, they're basically just part of the backround as far as we know. I think replacing a boss character wouldn't be as simple and easy as replacing a mere backround character.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Because we're not as stupid as you think.

Then why are we still talking about Ridley?

 

[YoshiandToad]

Sakurai's word is always 100% accurate of course.

"Namco won't get Special Treatment"

Whoops.

I don't even care about Ridley's playable/boss status(I'm hardly a supporter), but that whole 'boss reveal' was an incredibly odd way of doing it, and the shadow's movement wasn't as fluid as bosses have been in the past, almost as if human controlled.
Like Morbid I'm going to remain suspicious because the way 'other bosses' was revealed was incredibly weird.

Although I do agree it's definitely not going to be an Alfonzo situation. We're not getting a character both as a playable and a boss hazard. That'd affect the stage a little too much to be feasible.