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AncientTobacco

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Sakurai's word is always 100% accurate of course.

"Namco won't get Special Treatment"



Whoops.
Except the actual statement was regarding whether or not Namco characters would be a priority.

"Just because the game is being cooperatively developed with Namco Bandai involved, that doesn’t at all mean that they’d be given any special consideration for having characters in the game"

Whoops.
 

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Except the actual statement was regarding whether or not Namco characters would be a priority.

"Just because the game is being cooperatively developed with Namco Bandai involved, that doesn’t at all mean that they’d be given any special consideration for having characters in the game"
Honestly, did you expect him to say something like "yeah we are probably going to put a namco rep in the game, but stay tuned for further details"? or for him to just remain silent? Of course he is going to say something vague. Besides, Pac-man is enough of an icon to get in without Namco's development. Special treatment would be putting in an unknown character like Kos-Mos just because Namco is helping with the game.
 

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Hey guys, anyone want to talk about unrepresented IPs?
I'm thinking that Shulk, a Rhythm Heaven character, Chibi-Robo, and Wonder Red would be welcome additions to the roster.
Oh yeah, and Isaac too.
Xenoblade
Brain Age
Professor Layton
Only worthy IPs.

For IPs that need to be given a chance:
For the Frog the Bell Tolls
Rhythm Heaven
 

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Honestly, did you expect him to say something like "yeah we are probably going to put a namco rep in the game, but stay tuned for further details"? or for him to just remain silent? Of course he is going to say something vague. Besides, Pac-man is enough of an icon to get in without Namco's development. Special treatment would be putting in an unknown character like Kos-Mos just because Namco is helping with the game.
Are you talking to me specifically? 'Cause I'm not arguing against a Namco character.

I'm just correcting YoshiandToad, who apparently thinks that the inclusion of Namco items means that Sakurai lied.
 

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Are you talking to me specifically? 'Cause I'm not arguing against a Namco character.

I'm just correcting YoshiandToad, who apparently thinks that the inclusion of Namco items means that Sakurai lied.
I think it's special treatment even if it's not a character, yes.

However the item itself also indicates we're very likely to get a Namco character. Not that I don't think Pac-Man deserves to be in, but no other company has received a special item specifically designed around them before. We haven't seen say...Sonic's speed shoes or a Sega specific AT summoner before.

Again, I don't really care if Ridley's playable but my point was not everything Sakurai has said has been what Sakurai has done. Due to the suspicious nature of 'other boss' reveals, I think the likes of Morbid have grounds to be suspect on the matter without people dogpiling him and claiming he's an idiot.
 

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I think it's special treatment even if it's not a character, yes.
As I said in my earlier post, Sakurai never stated that Namco wouldn't get any special treatment. He said they wouldn't get any "special consideration for having characters in the game". As far as I know, the Special Flag is not a playable character.

And including Pac-Man wouldn't be special consideration either. He has enough merits to get in on his own.
 
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As I said in my earlier post, Sakurai never stated that Namco wouldn't get any special treatment. He said they wouldn't get any "special consideration for having characters in the game". As far as I know, the Special Flag is not a playable character.

And including Pac-Man wouldn't be special consideration either. He has enough merits to get in on his own.
The oddest part of this discussion is I actually agree with this, as I'm a Pac-Man supporter. I'll concede on that special treatment part if it was only intended for characters.

The thing I'm disagreeing with, in particular with Saturn, is Sakurai's word will always be true, and thus anyone who questions anything he says is implied to be stupid even under suspicious or very unusual situations.
 

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Hey guys, anyone want to talk about unrepresented IPs?
I'm thinking that Shulk, a Rhythm Heaven character, Chibi-Robo, and Wonder Red would be welcome additions to the roster.
Oh yeah, and Isaac too.
I'd be fine with any of these characters, though I would also love to see a custom robo character :)
 

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The oddest part of this discussion is I actually agree with this, as I'm a Pac-Man supporter. I'll concede on that special treatment part if it was only intended for characters.

The thing I'm disagreeing with, in particular with Saturn, is Sakurai's word will always be true, and thus anyone who questions anything he says is implied to be stupid even under suspicious or very unusual situations.
Oh, alright.

Well, even in that case, I don't think Sakurai has ever outright lied about the content of the games. Sure, he's changed his opinion on some stuff like Villager but he never lied about him being or not being in a Smash game. But I get the feeling you're referring to the Ridley situation, in which Sakurai has never stated that "Ridley will be stage hazard" or "Ridley won't be playable". He's only given some (arguably major) hints regarding Ridley's status. So I think it's reasonable to question him there.
 

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Here is my last *realistic* want roster :


I know a lot of you will hate me because of the lacks of Jigglypuff, Snake, and Ridley. It's not that I don't want them (Jigglypuf :/) but I wanted 50 characters at most.

My most wanted newcomers are : Isaac, Robin, Mewtwo, Shulk, Palutena.
I really want Hakkun, Bomberman and Lip as the retro newcomer, but I don't think they are likely :/. You can replace these characters with more realistic choice (Pacman, Mii, Takamaru...), and we may have a real prediction roster.

By the way, I tried to regroup the major mascotts in the center of the screen ; and I really like the Villager's row (composed of Ice and leaf characters) and Marth's one (blue, white and yellow swordmans). Do you like this composition ?
 
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Here is my last *realistic* want roster :


I know a lot of you will hate me because of the lacks of Jigglypuff, Snake, and Ridley. It's not that I don't want them (Jigglypuf :/) but I wanted 50 characters at most.

My most wanted newcomers are : Isaac, Robin, Mewtwo, Shulk, Palutena.
I really want Hakkun, Bomberman and Lip as the retro newcomer, but I don't think they are likely :/. You can replace these characters with more realistic choice (Pacman, Mii, Takamaru...), and we may have a real prediction roster.

By the way, I tried to regroup the major mascotts in the center of the screen ; and I really like the Villager's row (composed of Ice and leaf characters) and Marth's one (blue, white and yellow swordmans). Do you like this composition ?
I like the way you set up the rows! I see Lucas or Wolf getting cut before Jiggly, just because she has her own move set already and has been there since the beginning. And I'd replace tactician with Chrom or Lucina (I want anna but that won't happen) and I'd replace bomber man with Pacman (don't really want him I just see him as more likely than bomberman)
Edit: I'd also replace K Rool with Dixie just because I prefer Dixie. :)
 
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Here is my last *realistic* want roster :


I know a lot of you will hate me because of the lacks of Jigglypuff, Snake, and Ridley. It's not that I don't want them (Jigglypuf :/) but I wanted 50 characters at most.

My most wanted newcomers are : Isaac, Robin, Mewtwo, Shulk, Palutena.
I really want Hakkun, Bomberman and Lip as the retro newcomer, but I don't think they are likely :/. You can replace these characters with more realistic choice (Pacman, Mii, Takamaru...), and we may have a real prediction roster.

By the way, I tried to regroup the major mascotts in the center of the screen ; and I really like the Villager's row (composed of Ice and leaf characters) and Marth's one (blue, white and yellow swordmans). Do you like this composition ?
If you don't mind me asking, what's a Hakkun?
 

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If you don't mind me asking, what's a Hakkun?
Hakkun is the main character of a the serie Sutte Hakkun released on Super Nes : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutte_Hakkun
I found his design very interesting, and he may have an interesting moveset based on colors : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BpaZyIN7fU

I like the way you set up the rows! I see Lucas or Wolf getting cut before Jiggly, just because she has her own move set already and has been there since the beginning. And I'd replace tactician with Chrom or Lucina (I want anna but that won't happen) and I'd replace bomber man with Pacman (don't really want him I just see him as more likely than bomberman)
Edit: I'd also replace K Rool with Dixie just because I prefer Dixie. :)
Indeed, Pacman is waaaaaay more likely than Bomberman :/
 

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I don't know about Ridley anymore. I have felt strong arguments from both sides, so I can't fathom a conclusion. So for now, Ima watch these arguments, and shed a manly tear at the intense collision of opinions.

Also, if Dr. Kawashima is in this game, I will right a polite letter to Mr. Sakurai, explaining to him why I can't play the game due to the dissembodied head of Satan.
 

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If we were to get a character revealed this week, who would it be?
I want R.O.B. Just to shut all the doubters up.

In fact, I want all of the supposed cuts. Wolf, Ike, Lucas, Snake, R.O.B, Jiggs, Falco, and Ganondorf. I want them all.
 

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I want R.O.B. Just to shut all the doubters up.

In fact, I want all of the supposed cuts. Wolf, Ike, Lucas, Snake, R.O.B, Jiggs, Falco, and Ganondorf. I want them all.
I don't support cuts either, but at some point someone may have to be cut from the roster. But yes, I want at least one of those characters back just so I can laugh at GamesRadar for being wrong at least once more before E3.
 

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I don't support cuts either, but at some point someone may have to be cut from the roster. But yes, I want at least one of those characters back just so I can laugh at GamesRadar for being wrong at least once more before E3.
No, no cuts. The only one i'd be ok with is the random icon. No cuts. I won't allow it.

Jk, I agree, I HATE GamesRadar. They're the Nickelback of Smash Speculation.
 
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R.O.B. was amazing in Brawl, it's ignorant to want him cut. We wouldn't even have Brawl if it weren't for R.O.B.

I hope Ivy and Squirtle were the only cuts too... It makes sense considering they only got the ax due to the loss of transformations...

Best to back off from Snake as well, there are no good reasons for his exclusion. It will be a glorious day to see him back.
 

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R.O.B. was amazing in Brawl, it's ignorant to want him cut. We wouldn't even have Brawl if it weren't for R.O.B.

I hope Ivy and Squirtle were the only cuts too... It makes sense considering they only got the ax due to the loss of transformations...

Best to back off from Snake as well, there are no good reasons for his exclusion. It will be a glorious day to see him back.
I don't see why he'd get the axe in the first place. It's obvious, (to me at least,) that Kojima's ambiguous response to the question on Snake was an attempt to hide the fact that Snake's in the game. Personally, i'd rather find out Snake was in the game by surprise, rather than have a trailer.
 
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Saying "I don't think he's coming back" isn't ambiguous.

"We can't say if he's coming back, but we would be excited if he did", like what was said for Sonic, is.
 

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Remember that Kojima is the guy who dressed up in a costume pretending to be a developer from a company that doesn't exist and promoting "Phantom Pain" before it was revealed to be MGS related. I hardly take his statement about Snake at face value, particularly considering the **** eating grin he had when he said it.
Who is that?
Some Sonic fan you are. :troll:
 
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I'll be upset if Snake gets cut honestly. However, I think he would be a prime contender as a DLC character.

At this point I'll be surprised if Snake comes back. I have fear of Kojima's words, and the seemingly cryptic, "This is a once in a lifetime chance Snake!"
 
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