Character Discussion Thread

[Jason the Yoshi]

Alright,but when I win,I have the right to rip on you for being wrong. (and sonic fan-fics )

We shall see

 

[The Nerd]

On the premise of unlockable things, I suspect that most of the characters thus far are starters. I stand by Rosalina being an unlockable though; starter characters are meant to teach you the game basics and Rosalina looks to be the most complex character thus far, ill suited to teach people the game. Megaman and Sonic also strike me as ideal unlockables, and I suspect many of the brawl vets we have not seen will be unlockable as well. Also, Nintendo has an opportunity with their current consoles that the previous games lacked to some degree; what if the default starting roster is *quite* small but owning certain games, or being far enough in certain games, auto-unlocks the character for you? Think how Rosalina was unlocked in Mario Kart 7.

Based on a hypothetical list of unlockable characters and the above possibility, perhaps these are reasonable unlockable conditions? Obviously if you disagree with the above premise or the selection of characters, you may not like the following. Also it means some characters will be dramatically easier to unlock on 3DS or Wii U. Also, I made this for funsies, some of the ideas get pretty far-fetched later on.

Mega Man: Play 10 matches on Dr. Wily's Castle & Defeat the Yellow Devil 3 times.
Villager: Defeat Classic OR have a save file of a Animal Crossing game on the system.
Luigi: Defeat a specific event match. OR have a Super Luigi Bros or Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon Save File on the system.
Toon Link: Defeat Classic with 10 characters, then defeat classic with Link. OR have a save file of Wind Waker HD or A Link Between Worlds
Sonic: Take some large number of steps, OR have a Sonic Lost World save file.
Rosalina & Luma: Play 15 matches on SMG or Rainbow Road.
Zamus: Defeat classic as Samus.
Sheik: Defeat classic as Zelda.
Greninja: Honestly I have no idea; maybe throw 100 pokeballs? Beat Classic on Medium? Some other generic thing?

Captain Falcon: Beat Classic in under some amount of time.
Jigglypuff: Defeat Classic with all other characters.
Ness: Defeat Classic on Medium/Defeat Crazy Hand. Oooh! Or get 1000 feet in the Home Run Contest.
Ice Climbers: Defeat Adventure Mode
Meta Knight: Defeat Tabuu in some sort of hypothetical subspace map that has him as a boss, a la Yellow Devil. Or have a save file for Triple Deluxe/Return to Dreamland. I dunno, some reference to Brawl b/c he dominated it so thoroughly.
Mr. G&W: Defeat all Target Tests with starting characters, or defeat all Target Test levels. W/e kind of target test is in this game.
R.O.B. Defeat 100 computer opponents.
Mewtwo: Event Match! Or throw X pokeballs, or play for X amount of time. Or have a Mewtwo caught in a pokemon file on the system?
Wario: Beat some game mode with Mario, I guess?
Lucas: Trip on a banana peel 10 times. Or beat Classic with Ness? Man, these two are so interchangeable from a thematic standpoint. Anything I put for Ness kind of works.
Ganondorf: This basically has to be an event match in my mind. If not.. no. Event Match. Only option.

Note for the next entries I'm not saying that I think one or the other will get in, simply that their methods of unlocking are moderately interchangeable in my mind.

Ike/Chrom: Beat/Play Classic/Adventure/Other Modes with Marth; Defeat an event match, have FE: Awakening save file, play X matches with FE characters.
Wolf/Falco: 100 Man Melee! There are no other options. Well, unless both are in, in which case... 5 in cruel melee? Last x minutes in endless melee? Use the landmaster final smash ten times.

Characters that we have no knowledge of WHEEEEEE

Mii: Beat Classic once. I don't really think Villager will be unlockable anyways.
PacMan: Get a post match score of +10000? (Remember, after battles we get graded for how well we did?) Or just beat everything, I feel like he'll be crazy hard to unlock. Either that or beat all starter's Board the Platforms.
Palutena: Play Smash Run 10 times (as Pit once, maybe?)
Shulk: I have *no* idea. Some new, as of yet unannounced mode?

Welp, I ran out of ideas.

 

[*The Sensus Crustulum*]

Out of all the newcomers that haven't been announced yet, I think Shulk, Krystal, Dixie Kong, Tails, Toon Zelda, Ridley, and PacMan will be unlockable. Chrom and Palutena I'm not sure about, but I think they might be default

Wait, are you implying that he is in the game?
Are you?
Please tell me you aren't.

 

[Gune]

I kinda think that the charecters we have now are our starting roster minus Megaman, sonic and post e3 newcomers seems somewhat reasonable.

Wait, are you implying that he is in the game?
Are you?
Please tell me you aren't.

He's implying tails has a chance, same for the rest of the unconfirmed charecters he listed.

 

[*The Sensus Crustulum*]

He's implying tails has a chance, same for the rest of the unconfirmed charecters he listed.

I don't feel like 3rd party series deserve multiple reps. Heck, I don't even think 3rd parties should get multiple series.
This is a Nintendo All-Stars game, not a Nintendo V Sega game.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Wait, are you implying that he is in the game?
Are you?
Please tell me you aren't.

They also asked the same kinda question to Robert H Goddard when he told them he could build a rocket that could go to the moon. You go your way and I'll go mine, believe and let believe.

 

[NickerBocker]

Wait, are you implying that he is in the game?
Are you?
Please tell me you aren't.

Not that I think Tails is likely at all, but Nintendo and Sega have a really strong relationship right now, to the point where people think a merger/buyout is very possible. I am one of those people. I don't think it will be that soon, but in the near future it could be very possible. Tails does have a chance, but it is pretty slim. We don't know if 2 characters from the same 3rd party company is going to happen, so until then, I would assume that it won't happen, but if any company at this point in time will do it, it will most likely be Sega.

Also, for speculation purposes, this just came out today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_91gwWEEWo

If that doesn't show their strong relationship, I don't know what will.

All this being said, I don't think Tails, or any other Sonic character/Sega character will be included unless they become part of the same company. (NinSega? Segtendo?)

 

[Pacack]

Here's my unlockables thing (doing all of them that I think have even a remove chance of being unlockable and not doing the x amount of matches thing):
Complete Classic Mode with Mario.
Complete Adventure Mode with Mario or Luigi.
Complete Board the Platforms (plz) with all Mario Series characters.
Deliver the final blow to an opponent with a fully charged smash attack.
Complete Classic Mode on normal or greater difficulty with Donkey Kong.
King K. Rool: Complete Classic Mode with Bowser, Ganondorf, Ridley, King Dedede, and Mewtwo.
Use Link's Final Smash to deliver the final blow to an opponent.
Complete Classic Mode with Zelda.
Complete Adventure Mode with a Zelda series character on Hard or greater difficulty.
Takamaru: Complete Adventure Mode with every starting character.
Complete Samus' Target Test or Complete Classic Mode with Samus.
Ridley: Defeat Ridley on Pyrosphere with Samus.
Palutena: Complete Adventure and Classic Mode with Pit.
Complete Classic and Adventure Mode with every character that debuted on the Famicom or NES.
Play on the Boxing Ring stage 10 times.
Complete Adventure Mode without continues.
Complete Kirby's Target Test.
Use Kirby's Final Smash to deliver the Final Blow to an opponent.
Deliver the final blow to an opponent by spiking them.
Play and win a match with a teammate.
Robin: Complete Classic Mode on Normal or greater without losing a teammate in the Team Battles.
Chrom: Complete Adventure Mode with only one stock left. (Anything can change!)
Complete Classic Mode with any character.
Win against a level 9 CPU in Stamina Mode.
Complete Classic with every Pokemon series character.
Hit Sandbag over 500 meters in the Home Run Contest.
Complete Adventure Mode with Takamaru.
Complete Classic Mode with Fox.
Use a smartbomb to deliver the final blow to an opponent.
Taunt at least once in 30 matches.
Complete Ness' Target Test.
Chorus Men: Complete a match after looking at My Music (Wii U) or Take a stock with a single combo (Both Versions).
Shulk: Get over 200 meters with every other sword user in the Home Run Contest.
Mii: Win a match with a nametag.
Get and read at least one trophy of every playable character that debuted on a handheld system and complete a match.
Daitoryo: Complete Classic Mode, Adventure Mode, Target Test, and Board the Platforms with every other character.
Pac-Man: Play all the retro stages at least 3 times each.
Deflect 100 projectiles.
Dodge 200 attacks.
Complete Adventure Mode in 10 minutes or less (time may be different depending on how long Adventure Mode is).

 

[*The Sensus Crustulum*]

Not that I think Tails is likely at all, but Nintendo and Sega have a really strong relationship right now, to the point where people think a merger/buyout is very possible. I am one of those people. I don't think it will be that soon, but in the near future it could be very possible. Tails does have a chance, but it is pretty slim. We don't know if 2 characters from the same 3rd party company is going to happen, so until then, I would assume that it won't happen, but if any company at this point in time will do it, it will most likely be Sega.

Also, for speculation purposes, this just came out today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_91gwWEEWo

If that doesn't show their strong relationship, I don't know what will.

I do think a buyout is possible in the near future and maybe a second Sonic character would be more. I love Tails and I am a huge Sonic fan but I would be livid if a second Sonic character (or even Mega Man character) gets into SM4SH somehow.

They also asked the same kinda question to Robert H Goddard when he told them he could build a rocket that could go to the moon. You go your way and I'll go mine, believe and let believe.

All I am telling you is that Tails is not likely. You can believe what ever you want. In fact, laugh at my face when Arms, Chuckles or that Sonic recolor get announced. jk of course

 

[Gune]

I don't feel like 3rd party series deserve multiple reps. Heck, I don't even think 3rd parties should get multiple series.
This is a Nintendo All-Stars game, not a Nintendo V Sega game.

I don't honestly care about a second sega rep but if sakurai were to add tails to compliment sonic it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

 

[The Nerd]

Here's my unlockables thing (doing all of them that I think have even a remove chance of being unlockable and not doing the x amount of matches thing):
Complete Classic Mode with Mario.
Complete Adventure Mode with Mario or Luigi.
Complete Board the Platforms (plz) with all Mario Series characters.
Deliver the final blow to an opponent with a fully charged smash attack.
Complete Classic Mode on normal or greater difficulty with Donkey Kong.
King K. Rool: Complete Classic Mode with Bowser, Ganondorf, Ridley, King Dedede, and Mewtwo.
Use Link's Final Smash to deliver the final blow to an opponent.
Complete Classic Mode with Zelda.
Complete Adventure Mode with a Zelda series character on Hard or greater difficulty.
Takamaru: Complete Adventure Mode with every starting character.
Complete Samus' Target Test or Complete Classic Mode with Samus.
Ridley: Defeat Ridley on Pyrosphere with Samus.
Palutena: Complete Adventure and Classic Mode with Pit.
Complete Classic and Adventure Mode with every character that debuted on the Famicom or NES.
Play on the Boxing Ring stage 10 times.
Complete Adventure Mode without continues.
Complete Kirby's Target Test.
Use Kirby's Final Smash to deliver the Final Blow to an opponent.
Deliver the final blow to an opponent by spiking them.
Play and win a match with a teammate.
Robin: Complete Classic Mode on Normal or greater without losing a teammate in the Team Battles.
Chrom: Complete Adventure Mode with only one stock left. (Anything can change!)
Complete Classic Mode with any character.
Win against a level 9 CPU in Stamina Mode.
Complete Classic with every Pokemon series character.
Hit Sandbag over 500 meters in the Home Run Contest.
Complete Adventure Mode with Takamaru.
Complete Classic Mode with Fox.
Use a smartbomb to deliver the final blow to an opponent.
Taunt at least once in 30 matches.
Complete Ness' Target Test.
Chorus Men: Complete a match after looking at My Music (Wii U) or Take a stock with a single combo (Both Versions).
Shulk: Get over 200 meters with every other sword user in the Home Run Contest.
Mii: Win a match with a nametag.
Get and read at least one trophy of every playable character that debuted on a handheld system and complete a match.
Daitoryo: Complete Classic Mode, Adventure Mode, Target Test, and Board the Platforms with every other character.
Pac-Man: Play all the retro stages at least 3 times each.
Deflect 100 projectiles.
Dodge 200 attacks.
Complete Adventure Mode in 10 minutes or less (time may be different depending on how long Adventure Mode is).

You don't think there's a chance Ness will be an unlockable? I like the idea of 'final blow = unlockable character though, that's kind of neat.' Perhaps a character for a combo of a certain length? Maybe Greninja could be unlocked if you do a ten hit combo.

 

[Pacack]

You don't think there's a chance Ness will be an unlockable? I like the idea of 'final blow = unlockable character though, that's kind of neat.' Perhaps a character for a combo of a certain length? Maybe Greninja could be unlocked if you do a ten hit combo.

No. I'm almost positive that Ness will be a starter and that Lucas will be unlockable. I know that wasn't the case in Brawl, but Lucas was the newcomer that they wanted to focus on. Now that he's no longer in the spotlight, Ness just makes more sense as the starter of those two. (Though, I suppose Lucas might be cut. Ness could easily be unlockable then.)

And that's basically what Chorus Men's thing is. Getting a stock with a single combo (and nothing else) would take a pretty long combo. (Get it? Rhythm? Eh? Eh?)

 

[*The Sensus Crustulum*]

I don't honestly care about a second sega rep but if sakurai were to add tails to compliment sonic it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

Honestly there are more deserving characters to get in.
Not saying he replaces anyone, just saying who could hurt chances of other more deserving characters.
I'm not going to dwell on to this any more.
Sooooooo... what franchises do you think will get newcomers guys?

 

[The Nerd]

No. I'm almost positive that Ness will be a starter and that Lucas will be unlockable. I know that wasn't the case in Brawl, but Lucas was the newcomer that they wanted to focus on. Now that he's no longer in the spotlight, Ness just makes more sense as the starter of those two. (Though, I suppose Lucas might be cut. Ness could easily be unlockable then.)

And that's basically what Chorus Men's thing is. Getting a stock with a single combo (and nothing else) would take a pretty long combo. (Get it? Rhythm? Eh? Eh?)

Ah, makes sense. I kind of assume both will be unlockable, assuming they're both in the game at all >.<

 

[Pacack]

Ah, makes sense. I kind of assume both will be unlockable, assuming they're both in the game at all >.<

Well, one of them was starter last time, so I'd imagine one will be this time as well.

 

[Will]

Honestly there are more deserving characters to get in.
Not saying he replaces anyone, just saying who could hurt chances of other more deserving characters.
I'm not going to dwell on to this any more.
Sooooooo... what franchises do you think will get newcomers guys?

Hmmm,by rank of chances...

1.Fire Emblem
2.Kid Icarus
3.DK
4.Kirby
5.Yoshi

 

[Kenith]

My roster is in it's final stages.

I'm making an actual roster by hand this time, not using the maker.
So it will look really nice. In order to give my roster identity, I'm going for a few unorthodox choices.

So expect it!

 

[Andinus]

I really think you're underestimating Namco, who made a fighting game with over 50 characters, an they were all more detailed than Smash characters. I think we could easily have 60, but that's a bit much. So 50-55 is an understandable number.

Chrom with dual Falchions would be sick.

I have no doubt they could make 75 characters, but I always go back to what sakurai said about balancing and that brawl was starting to reach the limit of what is feasible (if character balancing is considered to be important).
Were those 60 roster games all full of quality characters that had a pretty equal chance of winning, given equal player skill level? Or where there a lot of stinkers, or should I say "Pichus" in the game?

 

[JamesDNaux]

Speaking of rosters.

I just don't know who to put in the empty space, so I guess you could call it the free space on a bingo board, there will probably be another unexpected character.
Of course I'm open to suggestions, just remember that Mii or Chorus Men will get no for an answer.

I have no doubt they could make 75 characters, but I always go back to what sakurai said about balancing and that brawl was starting to reach the limit of what is feasible (if character balancing is considered to be important).

You do know he said that a long time ago right? Before he had Namco working on the game, it wasn't feasible with him doing it alone. If you really want to take that quote to heart, remember that the same man said that Villager was too peaceful to be a fighter, look at our very first newcomer.

 

[FalKoopa]

Speaking of rosters.

I just don't know who to put in the empty space, so I guess you could call it the free space on a bingo board, there will probably be another unexpected character.
Of course I'm open to suggestions, just remember that Mii or Chorus Men will get no for an answer.

That roster... what would I not give to see it in the final game. Sigh.

While 54 characters seems a bit too big, I can say that I would be incredibly satisfied.

 

[Dark Phazon]

@ JamesDNaux is that your wishlist or predictions?

Also if all we get is 12 newcomers in total that is pretty underwhelming expecially on who they are....but i understand....i think 14 is fair and cool.

 

[Andinus]

Speaking of rosters.

I just don't know who to put in the empty space, so I guess you could call it the free space on a bingo board, there will probably be another unexpected character.
Of course I'm open to suggestions, just remember that Mii or Chorus Men will get no for an answer.

You do know he said that a long time ago right? Before he had Namco working on the game, it wasn't feasible with him doing it alone. If you really want to take that quote to heart, remember that the same man said that Villager was too peaceful to be a fighter, look at our very first newcomer.

Yes and he also said just 10 months ago that adding characters was very difficult, and it wasn't simply like addition it was more like multiplication.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Speaking of rosters.

I just don't know who to put in the empty space, so I guess you could call it the free space on a bingo board, there will probably be another unexpected character.
Of course I'm open to suggestions, just remember that Mii or Chorus Men will get no for an answer.

You do know he said that a long time ago right? Before he had Namco working on the game, it wasn't feasible with him doing it alone. If you really want to take that quote to heart, remember that the same man said that Villager was too peaceful to be a fighter, look at our very first newcomer.

Paper Mario perhaps?

 

[Dark Phazon]

That is one JuiCy fangasm roster for sure.

 

[Fortanono]

I have a new prediction roster too:

 

[Morbi]

Speaking of rosters.

I just don't know who to put in the empty space, so I guess you could call it the free space on a bingo board, there will probably be another unexpected character.
Of course I'm open to suggestions, just remember that Mii or Chorus Men will get no for an answer.

You do know he said that a long time ago right? Before he had Namco working on the game, it wasn't feasible with him doing it alone. If you really want to take that quote to heart, remember that the same man said that Villager was too peaceful to be a fighter, look at our very first newcomer.

To be fair, the quote was in regards to character balance, something he predominately works on, alone. Not only that, but he stated objective fact, it was hardly an opinion statement. Rosters with a large character selection tend to attenuate individuality and uniqueness. It isn't as though we haven't already had 2 cuts (most likely, anyways), I expect more.

 

[FalKoopa]

Didn't Sakurai say that he's not doing the balancing alone this time?

 

[Kenith]

Speaking of rosters.

I just don't know who to put in the empty space, so I guess you could call it the free space on a bingo board, there will probably be another unexpected character.
Of course I'm open to suggestions, just remember that Mii or Chorus Men will get no for an answer.

You do know he said that a long time ago right? Before he had Namco working on the game, it wasn't feasible with him doing it alone. If you really want to take that quote to heart, remember that the same man said that Villager was too peaceful to be a fighter, look at our very first newcomer.

Open to suggestions, hm...?

That roster would look great with Ghirahim in it.

 

[Deleted member]

Of course I'm open to suggestions, just remember that Mii or Chorus Men will get no for an answer.

"I'm open to suggestions. Except those I don't like."

 

[Dark Phazon]

@ Morbi do you think we will get more than 12 newcomers in total?

I dunno yourd words put me at ease.

As for cuts i expect 3

Squirtle
Ivysaur
Wolf

 

[Will]

Speaking of rosters.

I just don't know who to put in the empty space, so I guess you could call it the free space on a bingo board, there will probably be another unexpected character.
Of course I'm open to suggestions, just remember that Mii or Chorus Men will get no for an answer.

You do know he said that a long time ago right? Before he had Namco working on the game, it wasn't feasible with him doing it alone. If you really want to take that quote to heart, remember that the same man said that Villager was too peaceful to be a fighter, look at our very first newcomer.

Oh,poor little Jonathan still hold's his dead and deconfirmed Ridley dear

 

[*The Sensus Crustulum*]

Speaking of rosters.

I just don't know who to put in the empty space, so I guess you could call it the free space on a bingo board, there will probably be another unexpected character.
Of course I'm open to suggestions, just remember that Mii or Chorus Men will get no for an answer.

You do know he said that a long time ago right? Before he had Namco working on the game, it wasn't feasible with him doing it alone. If you really want to take that quote to heart, remember that the same man said that Villager was too peaceful to be a fighter, look at our very first newcomer.

Add Black Shadow then the roster is perfect.

 

[Deleted member]

Speaking of rosters.

I just don't know who to put in the empty space, so I guess you could call it the free space on a bingo board, there will probably be another unexpected character.
Of course I'm open to suggestions, just remember that Mii or Chorus Men will get no for an answer.

Ken Griffey Jr! Nah I'm just kidding,

How about...err...the Random space!

 

[TumblrFamous]

How's this? Look good?

 

[JamesDNaux]

That roster... what would I not give to see it in the final game. Sigh.

While 54 characters seems a bit too big, I can say that I would be incredibly satisfied.

What are you, Shokio? I'm taking into account transformations, rather, while my previous roster was 50, it had 55 characters on it with transformations. With those gone and the characters separate, it would obviously bump the number up.

@ JamesDNaux is that your wishlist or predictions?

Also if all we get is 12 newcomers in total that is pretty underwhelming expecially on who they are....but i understand....i think 14 is fair and cool.

If it was a wishlish, it would have Banjo on it... People told me to stop being pessimistic about the game, so now I'll be optimistic about the roster size.

Yes and he also said just 10 months ago that adding characters was very difficult, and it wasn't simply like addition it was more like multiplication.

And he also said that he absolutely hates cuts and likened them to a "near death" experience, I guess he lost two lives with Ivysaur and Squirtle.

Paper Mario perhaps?

Getout.gif Just joking, but I seriously doubt it.

Open to suggestions, hm...?

That roster would look great with Ghirahim in it.

Doubt that too, or any Zelda character for that matter. Would love to be wrong on that though.

"I'm open to suggestions. Except those I don't like."

"I'm open to suggestions but don't think I'm going to bend over and do exactly as you want." I've already said I think Sal's leak is BS, I'm standing by that.

Oh,poor little Jonathan still hold's his dead and deconfirmed Ridley dear

Hi Shokio, nice to meet you.
I'm so glad that Toon Link is deconfirmed on account of him being a background element on the train.
I was disappointed that Bowser wasn't playable in Melee too, but at least he was a cool boss character.
And man, I can't believe they cut DK from Brawl and turned him into a hazard on 75m, but at least he's back.

Add Black Shadow then the roster is perfect.

Nah, Banjo would make the roster perfect. I doubt a second F-Zero character anyway, look at Goroh.

 

[Kenith]

Doubt that too, or any Zelda character for that matter. Would love to be wrong on that though.

I can't really think of any characters to fill that spot, then, you're pretty much set.
Just saying, if it's anyone, that's who I'd pick.

 

[Deleted member]

~Snip~

OK now I got who you should add!

Random space Chibi-Robo!

 

[JamesDNaux]

I can't really think of any characters to fill that spot, then, you're pretty much set.
Just saying, if it's anyone, that's who I'd pick.

Don't lie to yourself, you wanted to say Jon Tron.

He gets unlocked when you try to put a copy of Nuts & Bolts in your Wii U.

OK now I got who you should add!

Random space Chibi-Robo!

You know, with all the random choices so far, that's actually not a stretch. Certainly better than "Chorus Men" at any rate. I'll think on that.

 

[*The Sensus Crustulum*]

The funny thing is that if Rare hadn't been bought out Banjo would've been in Brawl. Heck we could've had a second rep in SM4SH. A shame really.

 

[JamesDNaux]

The funny thing is that if Rare hadn't been bought out Banjo would've been in Brawl. Heck we could've had a second rep in SM4SH. A shame really.

That's not funny, that's heart breaking. He probably could have been in Melee actually, Sakurai had planned to put in a bunch of RareWare related things before the buyout happened, they're even still mentioned in the credits of the Japanese version... Hell, we probably would have gotten a second Banjo character by Brawl.

I wish I could live in a world where Rare was never bought by M$...