Character Discussion Thread

[False Sense]

Well they are leaked Gematasu characters, so...

Still wish they were a surprise, though. Regardless, I'm sure they'll be a lot of fun to play with.

Well, there's still the legitimate possibility the leak isn't real. That would kind of hurt their chances.

 

[Rockaphin]

Completely random but maybe replace Takamaru/Lip with Mach Rider?

I'm all for that.

I would rather have Masked Man Claus.

I don't know why,but his lightsaber surely is getting my nerd hype.

I don't know much about Earthbound. But I too think Masked Man looks cool.

 

[Giga Man]

New roster, new organization. I threw some colours in for the unconfirmed characters, not sure if I should have just left them grey. Any thoughts?

Where's Little Mac?

EDIT: Nevermind. Huh. I swear he wasn't there when I quoted you.

 

[Will]

Is it me,or are we slowly losing faith in Takamaru? I know @Hotfeet444 isn't (Not a bad thing,the guy just keeps going until the truth falls.) losing any faith. I'm just saying,I feel that after that Direct we discuss less of him,making it seem like we gave up.

Where's Little Mac?

That burn. Also,middle left.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Where's Little Mac?

EDIT: Nevermind. Huh. I swear he wasn't there when I quoted you.

Under Takamaru and above Lip.

 

[Will]

Under Takamaru and above Lip.

'd.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Completely random but maybe replace Takamaru/Lip with Mach Rider?

Definitely not Takamaru. Possibly Lip, but I can't see Takamaru and Mach at the same time, though I would love to be surprised... for once.

You wanna bet?

All I know is that this is a man who has thrown us for a loop multiple times, I wouldn't put anything past him. The movement of that shadow looked suspicious too.

 

[Pacack]

Something important to point out is that Takamaru himself has never used shurikens. The only reason we associate them with him is because of Nintendoland, and that was just a Mii dressed as him. The ones that used shurikens in Nazo no Murasame jo were the enemy ninjas. (I mean, why would a Samurai use shurikens in the first place? The original developers would probably understand that.) It honestly makes me think that Greninja is considered Takamaru's rival or something.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Actually samurai also use shurikens.

Shurikens are designed as pocket tools designed to disorient the enemy, and they can be used for close combat as quick offense. They aren't used as primary weaponry due to their impractical nature. They can also be used as traps throwing them on the ground, and they could also be wrapped in cloth and set on fire or drenched in a poison.

 

[Pacack]

Actually samurai also use shurikens.

Shurikens are designed as pocket tools designed to disorient the enemy, and they can be used for close combat as quick offense. They aren't used as primary weaponry due to their impractical nature. They can also be used as traps throwing them on the ground, and they could also be wrapped in cloth and set on fire or drenched in a poison.

Huh. Interesting. I didn't know that.

Regardless, he still never used them in his original game.

 

[N3ON]

I see some people are still putting stock in Lip. Obviously it's not like she's deconfirmed or anything that drastic... but seems unlikely her main "weapon" would still be an item if she were to be playable. At the very least it would take away from her uniqueness to have her primary tool of combat available to everyone.

That's like making the Master Sword an item.

 

[SpeedBoost]

If this character was in Smash 4, I would lose my mind... It would be amazing but will never happen.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Is it me,or are we slowly losing faith in Takamaru? I know @Hotfeet444 isn't (Not a bad thing,the guy just keeps going until the truth falls.) losing any faith. I'm just saying,I feel that after that Direct we discuss less of him,making it seem like we gave up

I don't think any one of us are losing faith I think it's just that April was the best time to show him and, well, that didn't happen.
Now all Takamaru fans (Including myself) predict that he'll be a hidden character.
But no we haven't lost faith it's just that we probably will not know until the release of the game so there is not that much to discuss.
For example if you look at any other support thread they are all speculating when and how their specific character will be revealed while most of us are quite sure he'll be a secret character if he is in.
That's my thought on the situation but then again I could be completely wrong.

 

[Joe D.]

New roster, new organization. I threw some colours in for the unconfirmed characters, not sure if I should have just left them grey. Any thoughts?

This roster is perfection. You are perfection. Bob Dole.

Seriously though, it has every character I want, it's neat, and it's diverse. 10/10 would SO DEFINITELY PLAY. All of you are remaking your rosters, so it seems like I should get with the times!


ON A NEW NOTE: I found the missing icon for smash! We've been blind this whole time, arguing about these newcomers, when no one has mentioned the TRUE RETRO! He's been there through the high point of Nintendo's history, and has proven his worth in the field. He packs a real swing, and his attributes to his moveset will knock all those other fighters out of the park! Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, the next icon to grace Smash Brothers with his presence, KEN GRIFFEY JR.!

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

I see some people are still putting stock in Lip. Obviously it's not like she's deconfirmed or anything that drastic... but seems unlikely her main "weapon" would still be an item if she were to be playable. At the very least it would take away from her uniqueness to have her primary tool of combat available to everyone.

That's like making the Master Sword an item.

At the same token, there has been no proof that an "main weapon" items deconfirm characters. In fact, if you want to get technical, the Pokemon Trainer coexisting with the Pokeballs could fall under "Main Weapon," meaning even less for that argument.

As for the second point, that isn't entirely what makes her unique. She also has other puzzle based like being able to change people's positions, or using her garbage blocks. It's a combination of puzzle elements that is what makes her unique.

I have my whole set of points somewhere, but I would need to find it...

 

[JamesDNaux]

Seeing the people in the Lip thread still clinging to hope tears at my heart. I want to replace Lip with someone but I don't know who to put there.

At the same token, there has been no proof that an "main weapon" items deconfirm characters. In fact, if you want to get technical, the Pokemon Trainer coexisting with the Pokeballs could fall under "Main Weapon," meaning even less for that argument.

As for the second point, that isn't entirely what makes her unique. She also has other puzzle based like being able to change people's positions, or using her garbage blocks. It's a combination of puzzle elements that is what makes her unique.

I have my whole set of points somewhere, but I would need to find it...

A Pokemon Trainer carries many balls, there are many different trainers with many different balls as well. When Pokemon Trainer was in, none of his three Pokemon were Pokeball Pokemon, now if they were then I could agree with you somewhat. But that's kind of a poor comparison, Pokeballs are a common thing, it's not just about it being the main weapon, but their is only one Master Sword, one Lip's Stick. I wish she was in too, but I just can't see it with her stick being an item.

...Maybe Isaac would be a good choice.

 

[N3ON]

At the same token, there has been no proof that an "main weapon" items deconfirm characters. In fact, if you want to get technical, the Pokemon Trainer coexisting with the Pokeballs could fall under "Main Weapon," meaning even less for that argument.

Which is why I said it's not like she's been deconfirmed yet.

And technically, Trainer's "weapons" were Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard, not the Pokeballs. The Pokeballs were what housed the weapons, like a sheath for a sword. When Charizard became a character, he was removed from Pokeball status. Even Venusaur and Blastoise were. But technically there can be more than one of those Pokemon, yes?

As for the second point, that isn't entirely what makes her unique. She also has other puzzle based like being able to change people's positions, or using her garbage blocks. It's a combination of puzzle elements that is what makes her unique.

I have my whole set of points somewhere, but I would need to find it...

No, it isn't entirely what makes her unique, she has other elements just as Link has other elements in arrows, boomerangs, bombs, and the like... but it's still her primary "weapon" as the Master Sword is for Link. It's even named after her. It seems like if she was to be playable, she'd have sole control over something called "Lip's Stick", not her plus every other character... that really does minimize the uniqueness not only of the character (as obviously she'd still use it), but the item itself.

 

[Deleted member]

ON A NEW NOTE: I found the missing icon for smash! We've been blind this whole time, arguing about these newcomers, when no one has mentioned the TRUE RETRO! He's been there through the high point of Nintendo's history, and has proven his worth in the field. He packs a real swing, and his attributes to his moveset will knock all those other fighters out of the park! Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, the next icon to grace Smash Brothers with his presence, KEN GRIFFEY JR.

Move over, Reggie...theres a new player in town!

I really want to see this happen!

edit: I know its probably a running joke but I made some icons for him!

 

[N3ON]

...Maybe Isaac would be a good choice.

If you're not going to buy into Sal's leak, then yes he would be my suggestion.

 

[Pacack]

At the same token, there has been no proof that an "main weapon" items deconfirm characters. In fact, if you want to get technical, the Pokemon Trainer coexisting with the Pokeballs could fall under "Main Weapon," meaning even less for that argument.

As for the second point, that isn't entirely what makes her unique. She also has other puzzle based like being able to change people's positions, or using her garbage blocks. It's a combination of puzzle elements that is what makes her unique.

I have my whole set of points somewhere, but I would need to find it...

I'm curious; if Fire Emblem Awakening's version of the Falchion was shown to be an item, would you argue that Chrom still has a chance?

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

Seeing the people in the Lip thread still clinging to hope tears at my heart. I want to replace Lip with someone but I don't know who to put there.

A Pokemon Trainer carries many balls, there are many different trainers with many different balls as well. When Pokemon Trainer was in, none of his three Pokemon were Pokeball Pokemon, now if they were then I could agree with you somewhat. But that's kind of a poor comparison, Pokeballs are a common thing, it's not just about it being the main weapon, but their is only one Master Sword, one Lip's Stick. I wish she was in too, but I just can't see it with her stick being an item.

...Maybe Isaac would be a good choice.

Which is why I said if you want to be technical. None of my arguments are 100% fool proof. Then again, neither is the offensive. We both have the main problem of not knowing how Sakurai could handle this situation.

Which is why I said it's not like she's been deconfirmed yet.

Eh? Quick question. Do you feel I'm being to aggressive? I swear I'm not trying to be as well as knowing that you did not think she was deconfirmed.

You make good points, like stated before I knew my arguments aren't the biggest defense in history. However, read what I said above towards James.

At the end of the day, I'm going to think positively about this. Disappointment doesn't affect me at all, as well a feels more like a hinderance to my goals. I have no reason to think negatively.

Edit: I think at this point I really need to find my other arguments.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'm curious; if Fire Emblem Awakening's version of the Falchion was shown to be an item, would you argue that Chrom still has a chance?

That would be the most generic item ever in the history of Super Smash Bros.

How fitting.

 

[JamesDNaux]

If you're not going to buy into Sal's leak, then yes he would be my suggestion.

Of course you would suggest him.

I think I'll go with him then. As much as I wish Pokemon Trainer would return and fight on his own as well, I know that's wishful thinking too, any replacement ideas?
I'm thinking Mach Rider, but what are the odds of Mach and Takamaru joining together? I can't really think of any other possible choices.

 

[False Sense]

I'm curious; if Fire Emblem Awakening's version of the Falchion was shown to be an item, would you argue that Chrom still has a chance?

Frankly, no. I can't really picture the signature weapon of a playable character being an item while that character also uses it in his or her move set.

I mean, a regular sword and a light saber/baseball bat/fan is one thing, but something like Link using two Master Swords or Chrom using two Falchions? While fighting other characters using Falchions? That's just too much of a stretch, I think.

...Actually, Marth would also be able to wield two Falchions while fighting Chrom wielding two Falchions...

 

[N3ON]

Which is why I said if you want to be technical. None of my arguments are 100% fool proof. Then again, neither is the offensive. We both have the main problem of not knowing how Sakurai could handle this situation.

That's true, we know nothing for sure, I just think Lip is in a position now where taking her off prediction rosters is probably the right move. But she's not outright deconfirmed.

Eh? Quick question. Do you feel I'm being to aggressive? I swear I'm not trying to be as well as knowing that you did not think she was deconfirmed.

You make good points, like stated before I knew my arguments aren't the biggest defense in history. However, read what I said above towards James.

At the end of the day, I'm going to think positively about this. Disappointment doesn't affect me at all, as well a feels more like a hinderance to my goals. I have no reason to think negatively.

Edit: I think at this point I really need to find my other arguments.

I edited my post slightly because I realized it probably came off fairly aggressively. My apologies. Embarrass

And remaining optimistic is fine, just make sure it doesn't start clouding realism. If you find those arguments feel free to post them.

Of course you would suggest him.

I think I'll go with him then. As much as I wish Pokemon Trainer would return and fight on his own as well, I know that's wishful thinking too, any replacement ideas?
I'm thinking Mach Rider, but what are the odds of Mach and Takamaru joining together? I can't really think of any other possible choices.

I would've suggested both Mii and Chorus Men above him, but I figured you had already made your mind up to not include them; I doubt I would've been the first to suggest them.

I still would suggest them if you are planning to cut the Trainer (which I think is a good idea). Mii above Chorus Men, but they both seem fairly likely at this point imo.
At this point I'd say getting more than one retro is slim to none. I really would suggest Mii even without Sal's leak though - it seems quite apparent Sakurai is giving a fair amount of attention to Nintendo's last few years, of which Miis played a large part.

You already have a lot of characters though, more than I think we'll get, so you don't really even have to replace Trainer (or even Lip) if you cut them.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Crazy thought, what if both King K. Rool and Dixie Kong are playable and they're both revealed in the same trailer.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

I'm curious; if Fire Emblem Awakening's version of the Falchion was shown to be an item, would you argue that Chrom still has a chance?

Here's the thing you need to understand. Lip hasn't really had a proper game in practically forever. One the main thing the Lip supporter used to speculate on is that Lip would get a redesign.

If Lip were to get a redesign, then it stands to reason her flower would be redesigned as well. This could easily allow the two things to co-exist depending on how it would look. For example, if her flower looked more like a weapon.

Of course, like I keep trying to say, nothing can be certain. I'm not saying Lip will get a redesign. Heck, the item and weapon could very well co-exist looking exactly the same for all we know.

I can't really comment on the Falcion because I wouldn't understand the need for it to be an item in the first place. :/

 

[JamesDNaux]

I would've suggested both Mii and Chorus Men above him, but I figured you had already made your mind up to not include them; I doubt I would've been the first to suggest them.

I still would suggest them if you are planning to cut the Trainer (which I think is a good idea). Mii above Chorus Men, but they both seem fairly likely at this point imo.
At this point I'd say getting more than one retro is slim to none. I really would suggest Mii even without Sal's leak though - it seems quite apparent Sakurai is giving a fair amount of attention to Nintendo's last few years, of which Miis played a large part.

You already have a lot of characters though, more than I think we'll get, so you don't really even have to replace Trainer (or even Lip) if you cut them.

I don't believe this Sal guy for a second, I need solid proof before I believe any leak. Sure he got the Wii Fit Trainer, but there have been leaks with right and wrong info, I remember a particular leak for X/Y that was correct about the new Fairy type as well as plenty of other info, but also had quite a lot wrong as well.

I'm not putting any stock in the Chorus Men, no offense to anyone who actually supported them, but I can't see it with Wii Fit Trainer already in the picture, similar to there usually being a single retro. Miis I feel are in just as bad a spot as Lip, the one thing that made them a unique possibility (moveset customization) is now part of the entire roster, if you can give Kirby ice breath of all things, Miis would just be completely redundant. I don't see either as likely and I'm sticking to my guns.

As for the size, I previously had a 50 slot roster, but when taking into account transformations, it had a total of 55 characters. With transformations gone, it's only logical that my roster would bump up to the actual number of characters. That may have been big before anyway, but people underestimate the roster size.

 

[TheUnsullied]

I'm not going to get my hopes up. I'm expecting only 40 characters.

 

[Substitution]

So, did I miss anything?

 

[JamesDNaux]

I'm not going to get my hopes up. I'm expecting only 40 characters.

A single character more than Brawl? With all the newcomers we already have, that would be a pretty big chunk of the previous roster cut, particularly if we get more.

 

[Starcutter]

I'm not going to get my hopes up. I'm expecting only 40 characters.

You should expect at LEAST 45 considering we got like 38 in brawl.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I'm not going to get my hopes up. I'm expecting only 40 characters.

So you're expecting like what, 8 more returning veterans and 3 more newcomers?

 

[JamesDNaux]

You should expect at LEAST 45 considering we got like 38 in brawl.

39 characters in Brawl.
2 lost so far (Ivysaur and Squirtle).
6 newcomers so far, that's already 43, assuming no one else has been cut. Only two newcomers left confirmed.
Do people seriously think 50-55 is a big number? It would be seriously underwhelming to get anything less than ten newcomers.
Sakurai has a larger team that knows what they're doing, doesn't have SSE eating up development, etc. There are no excuses.

 

[TheUnsullied]

You should expect at LEAST 45 considering we got like 38 in brawl.

A single character more than Brawl? With all the newcomers we already have, that would be a pretty big chunk of the previous roster cut, particularly if we get more.

I suppose...
I'm just going off the assumption that the 3DS version is going to come out early summer. That only gives a couple months to reveal characters. At the rate Nintendo is going I'm not expecting that big of a roster. I'm hoping for more new comers but I think there is going to be a lot of cuts. I think Ike, Lucas, ROB, Snake, Wolf, Ivysaur, Squirtle, and Jigglypuff are definitely cut. I also think Falco and G&W might get cut also.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I suppose...
I'm just going off the assumption that the 3DS version is going to come out early summer. That only gives a couple months to reveal characters.

You do know that not every character is going to be revealed before release, right? There are secret characters.

At the rate Nintendo is going I'm not expecting that big of a roster. I'm hoping for more new comers but I think there is going to be a lot of cuts. I think Ike, Lucas, ROB, Snake, Wolf, Ivysaur, Squirtle, and Jigglypuff are definitely cut. I also think Falco and G&W might get cut also.

You don't keep up with the news at all, do you? Also, R.O.B. and G&W? How exactly are they even close to likely cuts? Ivy and Squirtle are the only definite cuts, and most probably the only cuts. Nintendo has nothing to do with it, Sakurai and Namco are making this game, it's been in development longer than Brawl too.

It's outright insane to think all of those characters will be cut, particularly the above mentioned two. And Jiggs is a three time veteran, that counts for something.

 

[Deleted member]

Crazy thought, what if both King K. Rool and Dixie Kong are playable and they're both revealed in the same trailer.

I would totally go nuts. The perfect DK character representation... finally achieved.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I suppose...
I'm just going off the assumption that the 3DS version is going to come out early summer. That only gives a couple months to reveal characters. At the rate Nintendo is going I'm not expecting that big of a roster. I'm hoping for more new comers but I think there is going to be a lot of cuts. I think Ike, Lucas, ROB, Snake, Wolf, Ivysaur, Squirtle, and Jigglypuff are definitely cut. I also think Falco and G&W might get cut also.

Why assume it's coming out early summer? It's more likely to come out in August. Also, no way is Starfox being reduced to just one character, I also can't imagine them removing the sole representative of a series. I also think Ike is safe due to being the 2nd most important character to the Fire Emblem series (which also wouldn't be reduced to just one character). Snake is only getting cut if there are legal issues (which I don't see why there would be).

 

[TheUnsullied]

So you're expecting like what, 8 more returning veterans and 3 more newcomers?

Lets see... I'm expecting Capt. Falcon, Wario, Ganon, Metaknight, Ness, and probably Ice Climbers to make their return. That leaves room for Chrom, Palutena, Shulk, and Pacman. I would honestly be satisfied with this roster if all these characters make it in. Anything else would just be extra for me.

Woah, didn't expect to be getting so many replies lol.

You do know that not every character is going to be revealed before release, right? There are secret characters.

I believe back in the day with Brawl all characters were revealed before the release date.

You don't keep up with the news at all, do you? Also, R.O.B. and G&W? How exactly are they even close to likely cuts? Ivy and Squirtle are the only definite cuts, and most probably the only cuts. Nintendo has nothing to do with it, Sakurai and Namco are making this game, it's been in development longer than Brawl too.
It's outright insane to think all of those characters will be cut, particularly the above mentioned two. And Jiggs is a three time veteran, that counts for something.

Don't get me wrong man, I love all these characters. I'm just keeping my expectations low when it comes to roster size. If the roster is significantly larger than brawl (50+) and ROB, G&W, Jigglypuff, and all the other characters I listed make the cut, I will be extremely happy. I'm just keeping in mind that the game is actually coming out a lot sooner than I anticipated. Also, Sakurai is trying to make this a "more balanced" game and adding characters to a fighting game is not as easy as people think it is. For every character added to the roster, it increases development time exponentially. I think 40 is reasonable, 45 is optimistic, 50+ is fantasy.

 

[Arcanir]

I believe back in the day with Brawl all characters were revealed before the release date.

Officially no, unlockable characters like Lucario, Toon Link, Ness, Captain Falcon and Wolf weren't revealed prior to release. They did leak out, but that was not because of Nintendo or Sakurai.