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Godzillathewonderdog

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I have to admit that I'm a little worried for Mewtwo's chances. Sure he's immensely popular, but that popularity didn't help poor Ridley too much.
The difference is that Sakurai has said before that Ridley would be difficult to make. Sure, he said they MAY have been able to do it, but they would have to put their best efforts into it, and he probably didn't think it was worth the time and effort to make him playable.
 

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I see it as Sheik representing on what is considered the best game of all time.
I didn't know Sheik was in Symphony of the Night.

Welp, I guess people can stop asking for a Castlevania character now. She even has the whip and everything!


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Well Sakurai was dumb enough to remove Mewtwo so...*shrug*
To be fair, Mewtwo was planned to show up, but was removed due to time constraints. If Ike gets cut, it'd be for the same reason.
I have to admit that I'm a little worried for Mewtwo's chances. Sure he's immensely popular, but that popularity didn't help poor Ridley too much.
I understand the concern, but Mewtwo isn't in a similar situation to Ridley here.

Ridley faced several problems that will likely contribute to his non-inclusion to this game. First is that what he is massively popular in the West; he barely gets any request whatsoever in Japan. ChronoBound, the most prominent Ridley supporter out there you can find, has mentioned that barely anyone mentioned Ridley every time he went to Japanese message boards. Ridley also has the issues of Sakurai not only dismissing him as a playable character shortly after Brawl, but considering him too difficult to work with as well as hints towards being in a non-playable role in this game.

Mewtwo on the other hand is the most wanted character worldwide; surpassing even Mega Man in want (who was the most wanted newcomer) and making him essentially SSB4's Sonic. Sakurai added Mewtwo into Melee and planned for Mewtwo to be in every single Smash game to date; so Sakurai obviously sees Mewtwo as playable material. As for this game, Sakurai has been hinting that Mewtwo will return again and with everything Mewtwo has going for it (e.g. everything), not only am I confident in Mewtwo's return, I expect Mewtwo to be prioritize above at least Lucario and Jigglypuff (keep in mind that Sakurai did state that Lucario probably would have been cut if they didn't expand the roster, just look at the POTD for Lucario's confirmation).
The difference is that Sakurai has said before that Ridley would be difficult to make. Sure, he said they MAY have been able to do it, but they would have to put their best efforts into it, and he probably didn't think it was worth the time and effort to make him playable.
This is the same man that made third-parties possible despite declaring them in some ways, harder than making the game and likely bringing even more third-parties in to this game (Mega Man, Sonic and Pac-Man if the leak is true). Oh and Sakurai is no stranger to adding characters that are very difficult to work with (Ice Climbers in Melee, Olimar in Brawl, Rosalina & Luma). To say that Ridley isn't worth the effort to add reeks of hypocrisy on Sakurai's behalf. Supporters have every right to criticize Ridley's exclusion for that reason alone.
 

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How would you guys react to Ness becoming playable with Ninten and Lucas as alt. costumes and Porky is a newcomer?
I'd find this route great to please all Mother fans.
 
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How would you guys react to Ness becoming playable with Ninten and Lucas as alt. costumes and Porky is a newcomer?
I'd find this route great to please all Mother fans.
I'm not too big on alternate costumes changing who the person is, famous example being Sonic ► Shadow
That said, I do not mind colors resembling other characters. An example being Peach having a Daisy color swap.
Now if the alt costumes were to change their moveset and etc. . . Then sure.
 

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I would rather have Masked Man Claus.

I don't know why,but his lightsaber surely is getting my nerd hype.
 

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The newcomer we truly need, yet none of us have asked for, with the best possible intro card for their trailer...

 

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The 3DS version seems to be in good-shape,I guess.
One question that maybe none of us ever asked :

WHAT THE ****'S THE GRAB BUTTON? WE GOT NO Z!
 

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The 3DS version seems to be in good-shape,I guess.
One question that maybe none of us ever asked :

WHAT THE ****'S THE GRAB BUTTON? WE GOT NO Z!
L for shielding, R for grab?

The controls will likely be customisable anyway.
 

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New roster, new organization. I threw some colours in for the unconfirmed characters, not sure if I should have just left them grey. Any thoughts?
 

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ToRidley faced several problems that will likely contribute to his non-inclusion to this game. First is that what he is massively popular in the West; he barely gets any request whatsoever in Japan. ChronoBound, the most prominent Ridley supporter out there you can find, has mentioned that barely anyone mentioned Ridley every time he went to Japanese message boards. Ridley also has the issues of Sakurai not only dismissing him as a playable character shortly after Brawl, but considering him too difficult to work with as well as hints towards being in a non-playable role in this game.

Mewtwo on the other hand is the most wanted character worldwide; surpassing even Mega Man in want (who was the most wanted newcomer) and making him essentially SSB4's Sonic. Sakurai added Mewtwo into Melee and planned for Mewtwo to be in every single Smash game to date; so Sakurai obviously sees Mewtwo as playable material. As for this game, Sakurai has been hinting that Mewtwo will return again and with everything Mewtwo has going for it (e.g. everything), not only am I confident in Mewtwo's return, I expect Mewtwo to be prioritize above at least Lucario and Jigglypuff (keep in mind that Sakurai did state that Lucario probably would have been cut if they didn't expand the roster, just look at the POTD for Lucario's confirmation).This is the same man that made third-parties possible despite declaring them in some ways, harder than making the game and likely bringing even more third-parties in to this game (Mega Man, Sonic and Pac-Man if the leak is true). Oh and Sakurai is no stranger to adding characters that are very difficult to work with (Ice Climbers in Melee, Olimar in Brawl, Rosalina & Luma). To say that Ridley isn't worth the effort to add reeks of hypocrisy on Sakurai's behalf. Supporters have every right to criticize Ridley's exclusion for that reason alone.
While I do disagree somewhat about the context of that quote (he did follow up in saying he could've been in with the full efforts of the team), you're right about that comparison. Ridley and Mewtwo have been treated much differently by the man as one has been considered multiple times while the other keeps getting ignored and put into other roles. Sakurai obviously does not put them on the same level (though they really should be), so they're not really that comparable in his consideration. Mewtwo also has a lot going for him as he has the company's and the fanbase's backing, which makes him a very ideal choice for the game in terms of GF's consideration. With him being on both GF and Sakurai's mind, he's definitely in a good position.

As for this game, Sakurai has been hinting that Mewtwo will return again and with everything Mewtwo has going for it (e.g. everything), not only am I confident in Mewtwo's return, I expect Mewtwo to be prioritize above at least Lucario and Jigglypuff (keep in mind that Sakurai did state that Lucario probably would have been cut if they didn't expand the roster, just look at the POTD for Lucario's confirmation).
A bit of a minor nitpick here, but I don't think that was the intent of the message. The context and final piece of the line ("he wouldn't have joined the Brawl") makes me think that he was referring to the Brawl Team's efforts in getting the character into the playable roster back for that particular game, not that he was ever on the chopping block for SSB4. Mewtwo potentially could've been prioritized over him as he is GF's posterboy at the moment, but I don't think Lucario was in danger of getting cut (particularly since it seems we've lost PT, Squirtle and Ivysaur ahead of him).
 
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New roster, new organization. I threw some colours in for the unconfirmed characters, not sure if I should have just left them grey. Any thoughts?
You're still onto Pkmn Trainer and Ridley?

Let it go,there's no turning back.
 

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Gur-hur, let's talk about the Chorus Men.
Or you could just visit my new thread (SHAMELESS PLUG).

Anyway I have growing confidence in their inclusion. Rhythm Heaven deserves a character, I don't care who it is.
 

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Gur-hur, let's talk about the Chorus Men.
Or you could just visit my new thread (SHAMELESS PLUG).

Anyway I have growing confidence in their inclusion. Rhythm Heaven deserves a character, I don't care who it is.
I find their inclusion unlikely unless the leak they were in happens to be true, and I think I have reason to doubt that it is.

Outside of the leak, I doubt they would get in.
 

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Gur-hur, let's talk about the Chorus Men.
Or you could just visit my new thread (SHAMELESS PLUG).

Anyway I have growing confidence in their inclusion. Rhythm Heaven deserves a character, I don't care who it is.
Rhythm Heaven character would be neat, I'd prefer the kids before Marshal.
But on the other hand I think I'd like Rhythm Wrestler and Miss Rhythm a bit more. But if Rhythm Wrestler was an assist trophy at the very least I would be ecstatic.
 

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I find their inclusion unlikely unless the leak they were in happens to be true, and I think I have reason to doubt that it is.

Outside of the leak, I doubt they would get in.
I just don't believe leaks in general.

There's a very specific group of franchises Smash Bros. pulls playable characters from, and Rhythm Heaven doesn't seem like one of those franchises.

The most I would expect is the Rhythm Wrestler, perhaps as an AT.
 

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Gur-hur, let's talk about the Chorus Men.
Or you could just visit my new thread (SHAMELESS PLUG).

Anyway I have growing confidence in their inclusion. Rhythm Heaven deserves a character, I don't care who it is.
Or,in other words : "Desperate"

"Boss Character"


Pokemon Trainer is wishful thinking but I just can't be bothered changing it.

So....? That would mean if Ridley WAS confirmed his final smash would be transforming into a bigger Ridley,which doesn't make sense.

EDIT : Note to self,think before posting again.
 
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While I do disagree somewhat about the context of that quote (he did follow up in saying he could've been in with the full efforts of the team), you're right about that comparison. Ridley and Mewtwo have been treated much differently by the man as one has been considered multiple times while the other keeps getting ignored and put into other roles. Sakurai obviously does not put them on the same level (though they really should be), so they're not really that comparable in his consideration. Mewtwo also has a lot going for him as he has the company's and the fanbase's backing, which makes him a very ideal choice for the game in terms of GF's consideration. With him being on both GF and Sakurai's mind, he's definitely in a good position.
Plus take into account that if Squirtle and Ivysaur truly are cut, that leaves us with five Pokemon characters (Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokemon Trainer, Lucario and Gekkouga). Since Pokemon is a massive franchise with a plethora of potential fighters and that the roster is going to expand from the previous games, I can't see any reason why we would get even less than before. We'll sooner eight Pokemons in SSB 3DS & Wii U before we drop down to five. I can't think of anyone but Mewtwo that would be a better candidate for being the sixth (and likely final) Pokemon for this game.
 

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Chorus Men is basically my Alph Brittany Charlie Trio, only it's also based on rhythm and not Pikmin. So yeah, I'm seeing this as a better trio idea.
Or we can replace them with the Elite Beat Agents.
 

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So....? That would mean if Ridley WAS confirmed his final smash would be transforming into a bigger Ridley,which doesn't make sense.
The "doesn't make sense" card?

Giga Bowser was completely made up, doesn't make sense for him to turn into that.
Samus and Zamus being separate characters doesn't make a bit of sense, but look at that.

If Ridley wasn't playable, he would have just outright shown him, not just a shadow. He didn't even mention him by name, it's blatant trolling.
Just like the Zamus fake-out right before the shadow was shown, and the Palutena one, and Toon Link on the train, etc.
 
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New roster, new organization. I threw some colours in for the unconfirmed characters, not sure if I should have just left them grey. Any thoughts?
Completely random but maybe replace Takamaru/Lip with Mach Rider?
 
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Gur-hur, let's talk about the Chorus Men.
Or you could just visit my new thread (SHAMELESS PLUG).

Anyway I have growing confidence in their inclusion. Rhythm Heaven deserves a character, I don't care who it is.
Well they are leaked Gematasu characters, so...

Still wish they were a surprise, though. Regardless, I'm sure they'll be a lot of fun to play with.
 

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The "doesn't make sense" card?

Giga Bowser was completely made up, doesn't make sense for him to turn into that.
Samus and Zamus being separate characters doesn't make a bit of sense, but look at that.

If Ridley wasn't playable, he would have just outright shown him, not just a shadow. He didn't even mention him by name, it's blatant trolling.
Just like the Zamus fake-out right before the shadow was shown, and the Palutena one, and Toon Link on the train, etc.
You wanna bet?
 
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