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So new topic, who you would rather have if there need to be one veteran left, Lucas or Jigglypuff?
Jigglypuff. Despite not having the same exact moves, I feel like Lucas plays too much like Ness. If Lucas got a new moveset, than maybe him.
 

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Jigglypuff, easily. if there needs to be brawl cuts, have Lucas, Falco, Squirtle, Ivysaur, snake, rob, wario, and Cpt. Ganondwarf be cut before Jiggs.
No...ROB?
No...WARIO?
NO...GANONDORF?!

Have you no soul?
 

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I'm still saying Ridley is deconfirmed. That purple from that shade of grey on the wing tells me Other M Ridley and other Ridleys are out.

And about how it looks suspicious,it may just not be complete.
 

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Speaking of cuts, who were considered likely to be cut during pre-Brawl era?
Every god damn character on the roster from what I saw.

Well, if you want to be more specifics, Marth, Roy, Falco, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Captain Falcon, Ness, Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, Pichu, Young Link, Sheik, Ganondorf, and Dr. Mario.
 
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I had such an anti-clone policy after Melee, that I cut Luigi from my roster in the pre-Brawl era.

I truly was mad.

Still mad now, but a more refined madness.
 
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Every god damn character on the roster from what I saw.

Well, if you want to be more specifics, Marth, Roy, Falco, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Captain Falcon, Ness, Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, Pichu, Young Link, Sheik, Ganondorf, and Dr. Mario.
To add to this from what I can remember:

Ice Climbers because of that "Bowser Jr, Ridley, WW Link" rumor and because they were too obscure and or weird.

Game & Watch for the above reason.

Ness presumably because some people just didn't care for him. And maybe because of the Lucas Dojo page, which originally stated something like "can he possibly replace Ness?" and "up until now"

After Ness's reveal, it was changed to "can he possibly surpass Ness?"

Marth because there were other lords to choose from, and I guess maybe because some thought he was a clone of Roy.

Roy, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Young Link, and Falco because clones.

Sheik because of only being in one game. (similar to Sheik pre-SSB4 what with Skyward Sword)

Jigglypuff because of being "useless", not important, and a "waste of a slot."

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But there were people who wanted Captain Falcon, Ganondorf, and Mewtwo gone!?
I know many people wanted Ganondorf to use a sword, but being removed entirely? Was it simply for being a clone?

I assume others might have wanted Mewtwo gone simply because they were pissy at how bad he was in Melee or some stupid reason involving tier lists.

I had such an anti-clone policy after Melee, that I cut Luigi from my roster in the pre-Brawl era.

I truly was mad.

Still mad now, but a more refined madness.
I actually defended the clones pre-Brawl and wanted them in the game...
Once a Smash Brother, always a Smash Brother, in my mind. Also, I just hated change.

Looking back at it, I could've had some sudaefrude (or however you spell it) towards the anti-clone people for getting what they wanted at the expense of having a unique and cool character removed with them,but I didn't think of it like that back then.

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Every god damn character on the roster from what I saw.

Well, if you want to be more specifics, Marth, Roy, Falco, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Captain Falcon, Ness, Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, Pichu, Young Link, Sheik, Ganondorf, and Dr. Mario.
My very first exposure to Brawl, before I became a real Smash fan, was opening up its page on Super Mario Wiki, right after E3 2006. Every unconfirmed veteran had some written one-liner about their chances to return, with Bowser's in particular standing out..."Many fans do not want him to return, so it is unknown if he will."
 

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But there were people who wanted Captain Falcon, Ganondorf, and Mewtwo gone!?
I know many people wanted Ganondorf to use a sword, but being removed entirely? Was it simply for being a clone?

I assume other might have wanted Mewtwo gone simply because they were pissy at how bad he was in Melee or some stupid reason involving tier lists.-
In the case of Ganondorf, it was the anti-clone propaganda. People simply thought the clone characters introduced in Melee were going to be scrapped in favor of better options, which wasn't too far from the truth. Mewtwo however was from people hating how he played in Melee and were all rustled, and believe me there were a surprising amount of people that didn't like Mewtwo.

Captain Falcon, I don't know.
 

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My very first exposure to Brawl, before I became a real Smash fan, was opening up its page on Super Mario Wiki, right after E3 2006. Every unconfirmed veteran had some written one-liner about their chances to return, with Bowser's in particular standing out..."Many fans do not want him to return, so it is unknown if he will."
Why wouldn't fans want Bowser?! I hope it's not because he was considered low-tier. Bowser was my favorite newcomer when I first received Melee!
Ah, that takes me back.
 
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I feel like Lucas plays too much like Ness. If Lucas got a new moveset, than maybe him.
I had such an anti-clone policy after Melee, that I cut Luigi from my roster in the pre-Brawl era.

I truly was mad.

Still mad now, but a more refined madness.
It's not about the All-Stars. It's about the stunts.
 
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I had such an anti-clone policy after Melee, that I cut Luigi from my roster in the pre-Brawl era.

I truly was mad.

Still mad now, but a more refined madness.
I'm actually still mad, I would've really preferred him to have the Poltergust implemented in his moveset. I honestly thought he would this time, but I let my hopes take off. At least it's his Final Smash.
 

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I'm actually still mad, I would've really preferred him to have the Poltergust implemented in his moveset. I honestly thought he would this time, but I let my hopes take off. At least it's his Final Smash.
This is a case where I'm upset that a character DOESN'T share moves with another. Poltergust is the perfect alternative of FLUDD. The Tornado isn't even from a Mario game.
 

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Why wouldn't fans want Bowser?! I hope it's not because he was considered low-tier. Bowser was my favorite newcomer when I first received Melee!
Ah, that takes me back.
Probably the same reasons as Mewtwo, though in Bowser's favor he was a more prominent character while Mewtwo was pretty dormant at the time. However, I will freely admit despite the buffs to his moveset in Brawl, he was still a very lackluster character. Which is a damn shame because Bowser is one of those characters I want to love, but can't get into due to crippling flaws. Thankfully his adjustments in the next games seem to be favorable for the most part, and it's suggested he's receiving a particular buff where he's got super armor on his back.
 

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Did you just double post for the sake of hating on my opinion?
Naa, I really did read it after the fact, and I'm not hating, I could just give two deuces about jigglyfuff and her seniority, Lucas is way cooler. ;), Lucas for president!
 

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If Ridley really is a boss, then Sakurai's teases don't make any sense to me.

It's like he would think: "People loved Ridley as a Subspace boss, so let's do the same thing over again, but put him on a stage, so FOUR players can fight him! It'll be awesome!"

Oh, and all, or most, of the Wii U bosses are probably complete at this point and they're just doing beta testing.

Which reminds me of something unrelated: when I first saw Wario in Brawl's second trailer in December '06, I thought he was unfinished and still in progress due to his choppy movements. I was surprised after release to find out they intended him to move like that.

Maybe he's hyping up for a playable boss on the Wii U Gamepad?
A playable boss would be cool and new, but still a tad disappointing. Ridley still wouldn't be a fully playable character, but I...guess it would like a "consolation prize" and better than nothing.

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If Ridley really is a boss, then Sakurai's teases don't make any sense to me.

It's like he would think: "People loved Ridley as a Subspace boss, so let's do the same thing over again, but put him on a stage, so FOUR players can fight him! It'll be awesome!"

Oh, and all, or most, of the Wii U bosses are probably complete at this point and they're just doing beta testing.
Maybe he's hyping up for a playable boss on the Wii U Gamepad?
 
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Every god damn character on the roster from what I saw.

Well, if you want to be more specifics, Marth, Roy, Falco, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Captain Falcon, Ness, Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, Pichu, Young Link, Sheik, Ganondorf, and Dr. Mario.
I've heard a lot of horror stories in regards to pre-Brawl. Aside from ridiculous cuts; for a very short time, people though that the roster would be FLOODED with third-parties until Sakurai had to sit the fans down and say that there would be no more than one to two third-parties after Snake. Then throw in drama like the absymal Smashboards Ridley fan base, the **** Staff (eww...), the insane Ashley fan base that literally came out of ONE song, the ferocious female fan base and at the end, one of the biggest session of fan whining that had ever occur. It was endless drama and I'm still surprised Sakurai still considers fan request.

You could say that the Smash 3DS & Wii U fan base is to the pre-Brawl fan base as the Astro Boy fan base is to the Sonic fan base and it wouldn't be too far off.
 

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Probably the same reasons as Mewtwo, though in Bowser's favor he was a more prominent character while Mewtwo was pretty dormant at the time. However, I will freely admit despite the buffs to his moveset in Brawl, he was still a very lackluster character. Which is a damn shame because Bowser is one of those characters I want to love, but can't get into due to crippling flaws. Thankfully his adjustments in the next games seem to be favorable for the most part, and it's suggested he's receiving a particular buff where he's got super armor on his back.
Yeah I agree with you. I'm looking forwards to the new Bowser. I'm hoping heavy weights such as Donkey Kong, Bowser, and Charizard receive a good amount of buffs. Mewtwo was my second main in Melee. I honestly thought he was a shoe-in for Brawl.
The only characters I thought had a possibility of being cut were: Roy, Pichu, Dr. Mario, and Young Link. I actually played these four characters more than who they're based from.
 
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If Ridley really is a boss, then Sakurai's teases don't make any sense to me.

It's like he would think: "People loved Ridley as a Subspace boss, so let's do the same thing over again, but put him on a stage, so FOUR players can fight him! It'll be awesome!"

Oh, and all, or most, of the Wii U bosses are probably complete at this point and they're just doing beta testing.

Which reminds me of something unrelated: when I first saw Wario in Brawl's second trailer in December '06, I thought he was unfinished and still in progress due to his choppy movements. I was surprised after release to find out they intended him to move like that.


A playable boss would be cool and new, but still a tad disappointing. Ridley still wouldn't be a fully playable character, but I...guess it would like a "consolation prize" and better than nothing.

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This is under the assumption that he is a boss, but if Sakurai reveals Ridley as a boss as close to release day as possible, the hype of a new Smash Brothers game is going to drown out the woes of the pro-Ridley fanbase. I wasn't around during pre-Brawl but based on what I've read regarding to R.O.B. during pre-Brawl this does seem like a similar situation.
 
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Naa, I really did read it after the fact, and I'm not hating, I could just give two deuces about jigglyfuff and her seniority, Lucas is way cooler. ;), Lucas for president!
Ivysaur for president!

Now, seriouly, Jiggly will be back. I hope Lucas too, but Jiggly have more chance.
I'd like to see Lucas with PK Love and PSI Counter.
 

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This is under the assumption that he is a boss, but if Sakurai reveals Ridley as a boss as close to release day as possible, the hype of a new Smash Brothers game is going to drown out the woes of the pro-Ridley fanbase. I wasn't around during pre-Brawl but based on what I've read regarding to R.O.B. this does seem like a similar situation.
R.O.B. was the scapegoat for whatever character didn't get in, because he apparently stole a character spot for something much more deserving and Sakurai is an idiot and Nintendo doesn't care about the fans and blah blah blah.

You can bet your sweet ass that Chorus Men will be the next R.O.B.
 

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R.O.B. was the scapegoat for whatever character didn't get in, because he apparently stole a character spot for something much more deserving and Sakurai is an idiot and Nintendo doesn't care about the fans and blah blah blah.

You can bet your sweet *** that Chorus Men will be the next R.O.B.
Wasn't R.O.B. shown as being a generic SSE minion before being revealed as a playable character? That was what I understood, people denied him the possibility of being playable due to already appearing in SSE.

But it's good to also know what the attitudes towards R.O.B. were back then, even if they aren't justified in the slightest.
 
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R.O.B. was the scapegoat for whatever character didn't get in, because he apparently stole a character spot for something much more deserving and Sakurai is an idiot and Nintendo doesn't care about the fans and blah blah blah.

You can bet your sweet *** that Chorus Men will be the next R.O.B.
I thought it was WFT? :4wiifit: :smirk:
They probably won't be deconfirmed as a generic enemy though. (Very unlikely to happen anyways)
 

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Ivysaur for president!

Now, seriouly, Jiggly will be back. I hope Lucas too, but Jiggly have more chance.
I'd like to see Lucas with PK Love and PSI Counter.
I hope they will both be back too, she is pretty iconic to this series and i still just get too much satisfaction when i send her ass to the moon! ;)
 
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I thought it was WFT? :4wiifit: :smirk:
They probably won't be deconfirmed as a generic enemy though. (Very unlikely to happen anyways)
Wii Fit Trainers have been given enough time to be digested. If the Chorus Kids/Men do appear after all, than it is likely that they will be the new R.O.B. and be blamed for taking the spot of someone's favorite character or something.
 

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Wii Fit Trainers have been given enough time to be digested. If the Chorus Kids/Men do appear after all, than it is likely that they will be the new R.O.B. and be blamed for taking the spot of someone's favorite character or something.
That could applied to any newcomer really. I see it as pretty unlikely for them to be revealed post release, I don't think they are even close to R.O.B.'s reception at all.
 
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Wii Fit Trainers have been given enough time to be digested. If the Chorus Kids/Men do appear after all, than it is likely that they will be the new R.O.B. and be blamed for taking the spot of someone's favorite character or something.
In my case, it would be legitimate.
They took the place of a different RH character I wanted (Wrestler).
 
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