Character Discussion Thread

[FalKoopa]

I don't remember Greninja using a chargeable B move, or my memory is just fuzzy.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I don't remember Greninja using a chargeable B move, or my memory is just fuzzy.

I think it was the Water Shuriken, I think it is indeed chargeable.

 

[Baskerville]

But none of us found out a good way to use it other than to forecast upcoming items.
I don't think he really needs it when he has plenty of other art moves to use.

Hence why I put "could" there.
The only thing I can think of is if it's a Final Smash of his.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I don't think Pokemon having 6 characters (not all separated) in Brawl is a good excuse to have 6 separated Pokemon in Smash 4 with only 5 Mario characters, but I certainly find it plausible that Sakurai will add Mewtwo as a sixth while leaving Mario at five just because he doesn't give a ****.

Or rather that he gives such a **** about the fans.

I think it was the Water Shuriken, I think it is indeed chargeable.

Essentially it resembles Lucario's Neutral special, but with it's minor differences such as pushing people back and having different stats.

 

[N3ON]

I don't think Pokemon having 6 characters (not all separated) in Brawl is a good excuse to have 6 separated Pokemon in Smash 4 with only 5 Mario characters, but I certainly find it plausible that Sakurai will add Mewtwo as a sixth while leaving Mario at five just because he doesn't give a ****.

Or rather that he gives such a **** about the fans.

Most of the fans don't give a **** about something so trivial either. They've both got newcomers, that's where most of the fans will place their focus anyway.

 

[Deleted member]

I was so wrong about Sin & Punishment... Maybe it COULD be Isa Jo or Kachi from the sequel after all, if there's even a S&P rep at all. (Lack of icons mean squat, refer to Boxing Ring)

What about Boxing Ring?
It was never shown with an icon prior to the Smash Direct, which is long after Little Mac's reveal.

Series only get icons when at least a stage is present. This is why Nintendogs had no icon in Brawl and has an icon now. The lack of an icon for S&P means it doesn't even have a stage, let alone a character.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Most of the fans don't give a **** about something so trivial either. They've both got newcomers, that's where most of the fans will place their focus anyway.

I seem to be that one guy who cares more about getting what's best and makes the most sense rather than getting what I personally want.

So even though I despise Peach more than any other video game character and love Shy Guy more than any other, I'd be upset if Shy Guy replaced Peach because it's not for the best and doesn't make any sense. It's what I want to happen, but not what I think SHOULD happen.

So I get upset over things like Mewtwo being Jigglypuff getting in over Mewtwo (despite the fact that I like Jiggs more) or even little things like Diddy's Rocket Barrel not being the desing from DKCR.

And as much as I will love being able to play as Sheik separately, it doesn't really make a lot of sense, so I don't entirely approve of it.

 

[CalumG]

I seem to be that one guy who cares more about getting what's best and makes the most sense rather than getting what I personally want.

So even though I despise Peach more than any other video game character and love Shy Guy more than any other, I'd be upset if Shy Guy replaced Peach because it's not for the best and doesn't make any sense. It's what I want to happen, but not what I think SHOULD happen.

So I get upset over things like Mewtwo being Jigglypuff getting in over Mewtwo (despite the fact that I like Jiggs more) or even little things like Diddy's Rocket Barrel not being the desing from DKCR.

And as much as I will love being able to play as Sheik separately, it doesn't really make a lot of sense, so I don't entirely approve of it.

This is kind of how I feel, too. I was always a big supporter of characters like Toad, Ridley, Pac-Man, Tingle/Impa/PigGanon etc. - not necessarily because I like these characters or have a personal attachment to them (I've only played a couple of games in the Metroid series, and Pac-Man certainly doesn't hold any kind of sentimental value in my heart) but because they make sense as Nintendo All-Stars in a game about Nintendo's biggest and best duking it out. Mewtwo and Jiggly are the perfect examples of this, since Mewtwo has stood the test of time with popularity intact, whereas Jiggly's popularity has all but died outside of her appearances in Smash (another example of Smash causing a characters enduring popularity, as opposed to a characters enduring popularity causing their appearance in Smash).

Rosalina and Greninja had popularity behind them, sure, but they haven't really had the chance to prove themselves yet - they'd need a few more years under their belt to really prove themselves as "All-stars" and not just the current flavor-of-the-year.

Just my opinion, of course.

 

[N3ON]

I seem to be that one guy who cares more about getting what's best and makes the most sense rather than getting what I personally want.

So even though I despise Peach more than any other video game character and love Shy Guy more than any other, I'd be upset if Shy Guy replaced Peach because it's not for the best and doesn't make any sense. It's what I want to happen, but not what I think SHOULD happen.

So I get upset over things like Mewtwo being Jigglypuff getting in over Mewtwo (despite the fact that I like Jiggs more) or even little things like Diddy's Rocket Barrel not being the desing from DKCR.

And as much as I will love being able to play as Sheik separately, it doesn't really make a lot of sense, so I don't entirely approve of it.

How noble of you, but Sakurai clearly doesn't adhere to the principle of the biggest series receiving the most characters, so why carry on about something the creator himself doesn't care about? Even if you convince people here that Mario must receive the most characters, which is something Brawl contradicted, it won't change the fact that Sakurai does not add characters on a strict ratio based on the success of each series.

Not to mention people were expecting seven Pokemon characters and only five Mario ones before Greninja, now six is too many? If Brawl's development had gone slightly different and we received Mewtwo without Dr. Mario, we would've not only had seven Pokemon to Mario's four, but five slots to Mario's four.

 

[BluePikmin11]

So new topic, who you would rather have if there need to be one veteran left, Lucas or Jigglypuff?

 

[Rockaphin]

So new topic, who you would rather have if there need to be one veteran left, Lucas or Jigglypuff?

Personally, I'd pick Lucas. But I really only want him back if he received more changes to his special moves. I don't like Jigglypuff at all. Even though her moveset is unique, I just never really liked it.

 

[Sebz]

So new topic, who you would rather have if there need to be one veteran left, Lucas or Jigglypuff?

Keep Jiggly, no contest.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Speaking of cuts, who were considered likely to be cut during pre-Brawl era?

 

[Sebz]

Speaking of cuts, who were considered likely to be cut during pre-Brawl era?

Pichu, Young Link, G&W, Dr. Mario, Jiggly.

I'm not so sure about Roy, but people were also pretty sure G-dorf was going to get his own moveset (especially considering Brawl came after Twilight Princess).
People were also pretty sure Mewtwo would come back.

 

[N3ON]

Speaking of cuts, who were considered likely to be cut during pre-Brawl era?

Young Link, Pichu, Doc, IC, G&W, and to a lesser extent Sheik, Roy, and Marth iirc.

And Ness because of a excerpt on the DOJO that suggested he had been playable "up until now", with Lucas taking the spot. Many arguments ensued.

 

[Xzsmmc]

So new topic, who you would rather have if there need to be one veteran left, Lucas or Jigglypuff?

Lucas, no contest. I don't have anything really against Puff, but I love Lucas and his game.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

How noble of you, but Sakurai clearly doesn't adhere to the principle of the biggest series receiving the most characters

I can tell you he certainly cares about keeping it equal with the others on the character select screen. Well, actually I can't confirm it. But, I can still claim it as strong evidence suggests so.

so why carry on about something the creator himself doesn't care about?

There's a lot of things people say Sakurai doesn't care about that have been proven wrong since the reveal of Smash 4.

Even if you convince people here that Mario must receive the most characters, which is something Brawl contradicted, it won't change the fact that Sakurai does not add characters on a strict ratio based on the success of each series

What makes you say that?

Not to mention people were expecting seven Pokemon characters and only five Mario ones before Greninja, now six is too many?

Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon weren't separated characters.

If Brawl's development had gone slightly different and we received Mewtwo without Dr. Mario, we would've not only had seven Pokemon to Mario's four, but five slots to Mario's four.

I doubt Sakurai would have finished working on Mewtwo if he knew he didn't have time to bring back Dr. Mario, but that's just me.

But, like I said: I don't think Sakurai sees Mario matching up with Pokemon on the select screen as ESSENTIAL, and certainly think it's plausible he'll just add Mewtwo regardless. I just need to stress that he does care.

 

[Plain Yogurt]

So new topic, who you would rather have if there need to be one veteran left, Lucas or Jigglypuff?

Lucas easily. I still can't believe Jigglypuff was in Brawl over the cut characters.

 

[Gune]

So new topic, who you would rather have if there need to be one veteran left, Lucas or Jigglypuff?

Jiggs easily, Lucas is cool and all but ness is just as good so I wouldn't miss him.

 

[Sebz]

The people who would rather cut Jiggly have obviously not played All Roll-out Matches with 4 players.

 

[kikaru]

I can tell you he certainly cares about keeping it equal with the others on the character select screen. Well, actually I can't confirm it. But, I can still claim it as strong evidence suggests so.

If we're basing the roster size of a franchise based on success shouldn't Wii Fit and Miis receive more slots than lesser franchises such as Metroid, Star Fox, and Earthbound?

Also if bigger series meant more slots on the roster then we would be seeing more characters from Animal Crossing, Wii Fit, and Miis. Plus Kirby and StarFox received more characters than Donkey Kong in Brawl despite both Kirby and StarFox combined not selling as much as Donkey Kong.

Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon weren't separated characters.

Sakurai considers Brawl to have 39 characters, so therefore Sheik, ZSS, and all of Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon are separate characters.

I doubt Sakurai would have finished working on Mewtwo if he knew he didn't have time to bring back Dr. Mario, but that's just me.

While no one can say for certain it's likely that if one more character was added to Brawl it would have been Mewtwo since the data shows that he was the most complete of the Forbidden Seven.

I don't understand why people think it is such a taboo/eyesore for a smaller series to receive more characters/slots than bigger series considering how many times this has already happened.

 

[False Sense]

So new topic, who you would rather have if there need to be one veteran left, Lucas or Jigglypuff?

That's tough for me. I really do like Lucas and enjoy playing with him, but at the same time, I also like Jigglypuff...

I'd guess in terms of who's more expendable, I guess I would cut Lucas and keep Jigglypuff. I guess for seniority reasons, and since Mother doesn't really need a second character. But I still think neither should get cut. This is just if one of them had to go.

Lucas easily. I still can't believe Jigglypuff was in Brawl over the cut characters.

Jiggs easily, Lucas is cool and all but ness is just as good so I wouldn't miss him.

I love how totally opposite these adjacent posts are.

 

[Bowserlick]

So new topic, who you would rather have if there need to be one veteran left, Lucas or Jigglypuff?

Keep Jiggs. See was the original aerial powerhouse. Three of her four specials are very original and the fourth (roll-out) is technically original even if it is a smashing of two concepts.

 

[Zekk]

I really wish that They would make a smash bros game wher EVERY Character is in it because there is fanatics for every character Just make a huge roster and add a bunch of characters

 

[Andinus]

So new topic, who you would rather have if there need to be one veteran left, Lucas or Jigglypuff?

Lucas, Lucas, Lucas!

To be honest I never truly had a main in melee. I always kind of traded off between pikachu, Luigi, dr. Mario, and a few others. And I thought ness sucked donkey gonads in melee. But when brawl introduced Lucas, all I could think was, this is how ness always should have been, I liked how he was floaty but generally would not go out at 80% or something annoying like that, had a good fast forward smash, and of course the up smash is just iconic now. His pk thunder 2 was much more functional in terms of recovery, I thought too, and is fun to spam in 4 on 4 or team battles.

I'd guess in terms of who's more expendable, I guess I would cut Lucas and keep Jigglypuff. I guess for seniority reasons

Boo!

 

[False Sense]

Boo!

Did you just double post for the sake of hating on my opinion?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

If we're basing the roster size of a franchise based on success shouldn't Wii Fit and Miis receive more slots than lesser franchises such as Metroid, Star Fox, and Earthbound?

I did not say that we are basing it on success. Having important characters and being one of the 3 most important IPs matters.

It's not coincidence that Brawl meant to have 5 for Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda on the select screen when one of them is freaking Toon Zelda. Explain why else Sakurai would have any reason to add Toon Zelda AND Toon Sheik if not to even it out on the select screen.

Sakurai considers Brawl to have 39 characters, so therefore Sheik, ZSS, and all of Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon are separate characters.

This is just gibberish. Just because there are 39 characters does NOT automatically mean they are seperate. There are 39 characters. 7 of which are attached to another, with one of each team being represented on the select screen.

He said there are 39 total playable characters in the game. He didn't say they were all separated fighters.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I would take a 3rd Mother protagonist whom proved his worth with his game over a random Pokemon whom was chosen for expendability.

 

[Gune]

Did you just double post for the sake of hating on my opinion?

Clearly he's practicing to be ghost the boo needs more work though.

 

[Kenith]

He said there are 39 total playable characters in the game. He didn't say they were all separated fighters.

...I don't understand this.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I would take a 3rd Mother protagonist whom proved his worth with his game over a random Pokemon whom was chosen for expendability.

I don't think Mewtwo is random nor made for expenability

...I don't understand this.

Sheik is a character. She's not separated because she's attached to Zelda. You can't play as Sheik without having Zelda as part of your swap out move set. You can't have main costume Sheik VS main costume Zelda either.

 

[Kenith]

Sheik is a character. She's not separated because she's attached to Zelda. You can't play as Sheik without having Zelda as part of your swap out move set. You can't have main costume Sheik VS main costume Zelda either.

Oh. I guess that makes sense. There isn't really much of a difference in my opinion, but its really irrelevant what happened in Brawl to me.

I would take a 3rd Mother protagonist whom proved his worth with his game over a random Pokemon whom was chosen for expendability.

You mean, as in, a pre-existing Mother protagonist? As in Ninten? No thanks, he's not very unique.

It would be like having Marth, Ike, and Chrom in the same game.

Wait...

 

[BluePikmin11]

I was referring to Lucas and Jigglypuff, just in a different fashion.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I was referring to Lucas and Jigglypuff, just in a different fashion.

Wouldn't Jigglypuff be a character who stays because she's a veteran? Thus not random and not for expendability?

 

[Kenith]

I would rather have Jigglypuff over Lucas, but I whole-heartedly expect both.

 

[Will]

I would personally take the Jiggs over Lucas.

Jigglypuff has a chance of new innovation because she's now a "fairy" type.
Does Lucas?
DOES Lucas?
ANSWER ME GOD DAMMIT!

 

[Leafeon523]

So new topic, who you would rather have if there need to be one veteran left, Lucas or Jigglypuff?

Jigglypuff, easily. if there needs to be brawl cuts, have Lucas, Falco, Squirtle, Ivysaur, snake, rob, wario, and Cpt. Ganondwarf be cut before Jiggs.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Wouldn't Jigglypuff be a character who stays because she's a veteran? Thus not random and not for expendability?

Probably, but I'm not the one in charge of character priority.
That was the reason for her inclusion back in SSB64, although it might have not been random.

 

[Rockaphin]

I would personally take the Jiggs over Lucas.

Jigglypuff has a chance of new innovation because she's now a "fairy" type.
Does Lucas?
DOES Lucas?
ANSWER ME GOD DAMMIT!

I haven't played Mother 3, but I've heard that there's things Lucas can do that would help differentiate him from Ness. Now, the real question would be if they would change his moveset.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I haven't played Mother 3, but I've heard that there's things Lucas can do that would help differentiate him from Ness. Now, the real question would be if they would change his moveset.

Aside from the exclusive Link clone rule, I actually think there's a possibility that his specials may be changed for new ones.