Character Discussion Thread

[Jason the Yoshi]

Are you a developer of Smash? If not, how are you so sure about how many 'spots' Pokémon is going to get? Regardless of 'spots', Pokémon Trainer took as much time to develop as 3 full characters, aside from a Down B (though their Down B itself took some time to work to I'm sure). Same with Sheik and Zero Suit Samus. Squirtle and Ivysaur are gone, most likely.

So that makes:

While Brawl's roster was: , and was even planned!

So who's to say there aren't 'spots' left for Pokémon? Jigglypuff hardly takes any development time I guess, and Mewtwo is number 1 most requested character, plus again: planned for Brawl and even Smash 64. There's also Sakurai's quote of : 'We are thinking about it' when he was asked if Mewtwo's Mega Y Evolution was to be included.

He's still likely. Just not balantly obvious anymore with Greninja.

This is getting way out of hand. Pokemon, a second-banana franchise would not have more reps than Mario, Nintendo's Mascot Franchise! Sakurai may have made that mistake once, but he might never make it again.

 

[*The Sensus Crustulum*]

AAAAAAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
You are driving me crazy today, Diddy Kong! No, we only have ONE SPOT LEFT!!! Sakurai did have more Pokemon reps than Mario in Brawl, but won't be making that mistake again! When Jigglypuff comes in, the Pokemon franchise is SET, unless we get a sixth Mario representative, which is highly doubted at this point

Mistake?
How is having 6 characters in a game mistake...
And are you actually sure that it will stay at 5 reps at this point?
I don't see how Sakurai made a 'mistake'....

 

[Diddy Kong]

This is getting way out of hand. Pokemon, a second-banana franchise would not have more reps than Mario, Nintendo's Mascot Franchise! Sakurai may have made that mistake once, but he might never make it again.

Mistake? Pokémon has wayyy more potential playable characters than just about any franchise!

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Mistake?
How is having 6 characters in a game mistake...
And are you actually sure that it will stay at 5 reps at this point?
I don't see how Sakurai made a 'mistake'....

That wasn't the mistake, the mistake was having a second banana franchise having more reps than the MASCOT FRANCHISE OF NINTENDO!!!

@ Diddy Kong It doesn't matter, Pokemon is a second banana franchise, and Mario is the MASCOT FRANCHISE of Nintendo

 

[Diddy Kong]

That wasn't the mistake, the mistake was having a second banana franchise having more reps than the MASCOT FRANCHISE OF NINTENDO!!!

@ Diddy Kong It doesn't matter, Pokemon is a second banana franchise, and Mario is the MASCOT FRANCHISE of Nintendo

I haven't seen you complain about that Brawl had more Zelda characters than Mario characters yet though.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I haven't seen you complain about that Brawl had more Zelda characters than Mario characters yet though.

That's because nobody makes a big deal out of it!

 

[*The Sensus Crustulum*]

That wasn't the mistake, the mistake was having a second banana franchise having more reps than the MASCOT FRANCHISE OF NINTENDO!!!

@ Diddy Kong It doesn't matter, Pokemon is a second banana franchise, and Mario is the MASCOT FRANCHISE of Nintendo

Surrre, Sakurai accidently implemented 6 pokemans and accidently put in the damn GAME!!!
And by that sense Zelda has more characters then Mario.

EDIT: No one making a big deal about it is not an excuse.
It is just a way to wiggle out of a debate.

 

[Diddy Kong]

That's because nobody makes a big deal out of it!

Yet, Pokémon is noticably bigger than Zelda. And apperantly, you make a big deal out of it. So at least that's one person.

Also, Jigglypuff hardly will take any time to develop. It's quite an easy addition to the roster, which is why it got in in the first place in Smash 64, due to it's similarity to Kirby. Mewtwo also has some leftover data from Brawl, as his data out of the Forbidden 7 is the most complete. And he of course has a moveset written for himself in Melee.

So no reason not to include them both again really.

 

[*The Sensus Crustulum*]

This topic is lacking Metal Mario.
Time to fix that.

Uggh. That lazy copy of Mario that has been shoehorned into karts?
Doubt it. Would be okay as alternative costume I guess.

 

[Baskerville]

Uggh. That lazy copy of Mario that has been shoehorned into karts?
Doubt it. Would be okay as alternative costume I guess.

Metal Box.

 

[The Nerd]

I'd rather have Paper Mario than Metal Mario. Is there a particular reason no one finds Paper Mario moderately likely? He seems like a very strong contender to me. Another 2-D character, who could have an entirely different animation style from G&W. His moveset could also be quite different, and I imagine it could pay homage to other aspects of Mario that are otherwise seldom mentioned, such as Hammers, Ground Pounds, and some of the enemies that Paper Mario gets as friends. I can easily imagine a parakoopa or boo up special or a bob-omb down special.

Also, Paper Metal Mario. What does it mean?

 

[The Light Music Club]

That wasn't the mistake, the mistake was having a second banana franchise having more reps than the MASCOT FRANCHISE OF NINTENDO!!!

@ Diddy Kong It doesn't matter, Pokemon is a second banana franchise, and Mario is the MASCOT FRANCHISE of Nintendo

I'm pretty sure your forgetting the fact that Yoshi,, Donkey Kong, and Wario all started from Mario, and are pretty much part of the Mario Franchise. Sakurai just wanted to make it look better by giving them especially Yoshi and Wario there own symbols, making the series look more balanced. That is 8 characters, 9 if you count Diddy Kong that are from the Mario Universe. No one cares that there symbols are different. They are all from Mario games, so it makes no sense that Pokemon can't have 6 characters.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I'd rather have Paper Mario than Metal Mario. Is there a particular reason no one finds Metal Mario moderately likely? He seems like a very strong contender to me. Another 2-D character, who could have an entirely different animation style from G&W. His moveset could also be quite different, and I imagine it could pay homage to other aspects of Mario that are otherwise seldom mentioned, such as Hammers, Ground Pounds, and some of the enemies that Paper Mario gets as friends. I can easily imagine a parakoopa or boo up special or a bob-omb down special.

@Bolded: You mean Paper Mario?

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Reposting this several week-old post from the Miverse thread because laziness.

I'd actually like Metal Mario as a separate character...but only if it's the one from SSB64.

A semi-clone with a unique side B (as there no side Bs in SSB64) and a unique Final Smash.

In its polygonal glory. Complete with the " CHWHOOM CHWHOOM" walking effect.

He/it would have Mario's old moves from SSB4 as well, like the forward smash with the fist and the forward air drill kick.
Cloned moves would some changed properties, too. Like Metal Tornado reflecting projectiles during the final frames of the attack.

And that unique series symbol from SSB64.

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And some new stuff that isn't reposted:

Some alt colors:

1. Default (SSB64)
2. Texture for Metal Mario form in SM64.
3. Metal texture in Brawl.
4. Metal Mario trophy texture in Melee (with the Yoshi's Island stage)
5. random SSB64 Battlefield stage background texture.

Another color would be the texture for Metal Mario in Mario Tennis 64, but I haven't ripped that texture yet.

 

[The Nerd]

@Bolded: You mean Paper Mario?

I sure, did, thank you! I edited to be less foolish.

 

[Rockaphin]

I haven't seen you complain about that Brawl had more Zelda characters than Mario characters yet though.

Do you want me to start?

I'd rather have Paper Mario than Metal Mario. Is there a particular reason no one finds Paper Mario moderately likely? He seems like a very strong contender to me. Another 2-D character, who could have an entirely different animation style from G&W. His moveset could also be quite different, and I imagine it could pay homage to other aspects of Mario that are otherwise seldom mentioned, such as Hammers, Ground Pounds, and some of the enemies that Paper Mario gets as friends. I can easily imagine a parakoopa or boo up special or a bob-omb down special.

Also, Paper Metal Mario. What does it mean?

He'd be t00 G0dliek

 

[Deleted member]

Metal Mario as a playable character? Then what would happen if Metal Mario finds the Metal Box and turns Metal Metal Mario...?

Heavy Metal Mario.

He gains devil horns, spike belts, turns black, and has Kiss-esque makeup on his face. Or alternatively to the makeup, his face becomes skeletal, comparable to the Terminator.

 

[Cobalsh]

Heavy Metal Mario.

He gains devil horns, spike belts, turns black, and has Kiss-esque makeup on his face. Or alternatively to the makeup, his face becomes skeletal, comparable to the Terminator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8iSkkNlMPM

And another weird thing: Apparently Koopa's wear shirts and shorts under their shells?

 

[Knight Dude]

Heavy Metal Mario.

He gains devil horns, spike belts, turns black, and has Kiss-esque makeup on his face. Or alternatively to the makeup, his face becomes skeletal, comparable to the Terminator.

10/10 would main.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I'm pretty sure your forgetting the fact that Yoshi,, Donkey Kong, and Wario all started from Mario, and are pretty much part of the Mario Franchise. Sakurai just wanted to make it look better by giving them especially Yoshi and Wario there own symbols, making the series look more balanced. That is 8 characters, 9 if you count Diddy Kong that are from the Mario Universe. No one cares that there symbols are different. They are all from Mario games, so it makes no sense that Pokemon can't have 6 characters.

Those are completely separate franchises in Sakurai's views, therefore are separate franchises to me!

 

[Niala]

This reminds me of a discussion experiment I came up with a while back.

Who would you choose if every represented series in Smash Bros had exactly three or less characters?

Ex. Mario, Peach, Bowser.

So I know this is like 20 page ago but it looked fun and I wanted to try it too, so... Here we go.

Also, to be noted, I'm ignoring any franchise that only has one or two characters to begin with, for obvious reasons.

Mario: Mario, Peach, Bowser
LoZ: Link, Zelda, Ghirahim/Ganondorf
DK: Donkey, Diddy,
Metroid: Samus, ZSS,
Kirby: Kirby, King Dedede, Bandana Dee
Star Fox: Fox, Falco, Krystal
Pokemon: Pikachu, Jigglypuff/PT(), Greninja
Fire Emblem: oh god please don't make me choose Anna, Marth, Henry

 

[MagnesD3]

So I know this is like 20 page ago but it looked fun and I wanted to try it too, so... Here we go.

Also, to be noted, I'm ignoring any franchise that only has one or two characters to begin with, for obvious reasons.

Mario: Mario, Peach, Bowser
LoZ: Link, Zelda, Ghirahim/Ganondorf
DK: Donkey, Diddy,
Metroid: Samus, ZSS,
Kirby: Kirby, King Dedede, Bandana Dee
Star Fox: Fox, Falco, Krystal
Pokemon: Pikachu, Jigglypuff/PT(), Greninja
Fire Emblem: oh god please don't make me choose Anna, Marth, Henry

Scrap Falco for Wolf.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Impa is still the most likely newcomer for Zelda. Especially since Toon Zelda has pretty much no chance in hell cause of Zelda's Phantom.

At this point, I don't think it's possible. Since Sheik is now a separate character, having six Zelda characters would be too much of a stretch

This is getting way out of hand. Pokemon, a second-banana franchise would not have more reps than Mario, Nintendo's Mascot Franchise! Sakurai may have made that mistake once, but he might never make it again.

Wait, what mistake? Why are you complaining? Better yet, why are you making the same damn argument?

Technically, Wario, DK, Diddy, and Yoshi are from Mario series and were separated into their own series over time. Add the Mario series up and you have 8 so far, 9 when Wario is confirmed.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Those are completely separate franchises in Sakurai's views, therefore are separate franchises to me!

Not necessarily. Heck he gave Walugi the Wario logo and he hasn't been in a single Wario game! And who cares even if it was in Sakurai's view, he's not the one buying the game, he's the one making it. What fans see are just a bunch of Mario characters so it'd be fine to have a bunch of Pokemon Character.s

 

[AEMehr]

Ariand, love your roster minus Pac-Man and Chorus Kids. Would rather see third FE rep and Dixie instead Solid 9.5/10

Thanks! As I said before: I don't see K. Rool & Dixie happening in the main roster unless DLC happens AND I'd probably add a third Fire Emblem character as my 50th character.

My main complain is... no Isaac but Chorus men. Apart from that pretty great roster.

Thank you! You can just pretend they're someone else if you want.

I have absolutely no complaints with this roster. Chrom would be nice, but isn't needed.
Final score: 10/10
Perfect roster!
(i see people are already crying over pac-man lol)

Wow! I really appreciate that, much obliged!

Needs Chrom if you're going to follow the leak.

But I'm not following the "leak".

They would not lock Lucas, Meta Knight, or Ike

They very well could lock Lucas and Ike. At this point I figure Meta Knight will be unlockable if he doesn't show up at E3 this year, which he probably could so I dunno.
Ness is definitely getting revealed before Lucas is though, and Marth is already in before Ike is. Makes more sense to keep the hidden characters hidden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_games
Publisher: Capcom
Title: 1942
Relase Date: November 1986

Publisher: Konami
Title: The Adventures of Bayou Billy
Release Date: June 1989

Publisher: Bandai
Title: The Adventures of Gilligan's Island
Release Date: July 1990
According to the semi-reliable Wikipedia Capcom and Konami have been putting games much earlier than Bandai or Namco. Seems hypocritical you have a respect for history yet remove Konami's biggest star from the roster who was also the first Third-party character of the series, changing most people minds around about having third-party characters on board. Do you have a reliable source that Namco was the first Third-Party company to publish games on a Nintendo Console or are you just assuming that Namco was the first?

Hmm...
I have this, which suggests that Galaxia was rereleased to Nintendo's Famciom in 1984.
I would love to see Snake return, but it has come to a point where things aren't just looking his way anymore. I really do hope I'm wrong on that, but we'll just have to see where it goes.
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This is getting way out of hand. Pokemon, a second-banana franchise would not have more reps than Mario, Nintendo's Mascot Franchise! Sakurai may have made that mistake once, but he might never make it again.

We were expecting 7 characters prior to Greninja, there is no issue with having 6.
The Mario universe already has 8 characters, and we're expecting 10 from it. There is no reason to complain.

 

[BKupa666]

Technically, Diddy [is] from the Mario series and [was] separated into [his] own series over time.

Um, no?

 

[N3ON]

Not necessarily. Heck he gave Walugi the Wario logo and he hasn't been in a single Wario game! And who cares even if it was in Sakurai's view, he's not the one buying the game, he's the one making it. What fans see are just a bunch of Mario characters so it'd be fine to have a bunch of Pokemon Character.s

What would be fine to us is great if we were also the ones making the game, but we gotta make due with whatever Sakurai ends up deciding, so it does ultimately come down to him, not us. We can't justify Sakurai giving us a bunch of Pokemon because of how we see it comparing to Mario, it only matters how Sakurai sees it.

Not that he's going to curb the amount of Pokemon reps so it doesn't surpass Mario, that'd be dumb; Pokemon is huge and popular with tons of feasible characters, a number that handily surpasses the Mario series. Plus it already went above and beyond Mario last game.

 

[Spazzy_D]

I still don't know why people barely bring up Ganon (not dorf) when bringing up new Zelda characters. He at least makes more sense then whatever one off villain Zelda was using this month.

 

[Curious Villager]

I still don't know why people barely bring up Ganon (not dorf) when bringing up new Zelda characters. He at least makes more sense then whatever one off villain Zelda was using this month.

Honestly, with Zelda and Sheik now separated (As well as Samus and Zero Suit Samus), Ganon is more than welcome in my book. But like with Mario, most don't think it deserves 6 characters and all...

 

[Bowserlick]

If we did have Ganon, we would have two Links and two Zeldas and two-ish Ganondorfs.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

If we did have Ganon, we would have two Links and two Zeldas and two-ish Ganondorfs.

Yeah? And....?

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[AncientTobacco]

Technically, Wario, DK, Diddy, and Yoshi are from Mario series and were separated into their own series over time. Add the Mario series up and you have 8 so far, 9 when Wario is confirmed.

Technically, Mario is from the DK series.

 

[Deleted member]

At this point, I don't think it's possible. Since Sheik is now a separate character, having six Zelda characters would be too much of a stretch.

I don't think we are getting six Zelda characters, but this is terrible logic. This implies that Sakurai thinks in slots and not in characters and he doesn't. He saw Brawl with thirty-nine characters instead of thirty-five and Melee with twenty-six characters instead of twenty-five; remember that.

 

[Spazzy_D]

I'm not saying I think Ganon SHOULD be it the game, just that he makes sense. As a giant pig with a trident Ganon would look unique, and he would be a heavy weight magic user. Also, Sakurai wants to include Toon Link to represent "the other type" of Link.... well, that's the other type of Ganondorf.

 

[Bowserlick]

Yeah? And....?

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The pattern will be complete.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I would definitely take a pig trident Ganon over a refined Ganondorf with a sword and a volleyball move.

 

[APC99]

Yeah? And....?

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I think the point is that the Zelda series should be far more expansive than Link, Zelda and Ganondorf, and then different incarnations of them alongside it. Characters like Tingle, Ghirahim and Impa would diversify the series more than Ganon would.

 

[Bowserlick]

I would not mind Tinge, Ghirahim, or Ganon as playable.

 

[Spazzy_D]

It's also funny how Ghirahim is brought up as the newest Zelda villain. It's not like Yuga didn't happen, guys.

 

[ppbto]

I see no problem with Pokemon having more characters than Mario.