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I can't imagine not having got him in Brawl if he were still owned by Nintendo. Especially since Banjo-Threeie was in development for the Gamecube.
Still very saddening to think about. :(
Rare is dead to me at this point. Microsoft ruined what made them special and their IPs are a shadow of their former selves. Looking at the Killer Instinct game turning a free-to-play route was one of the things that infuriated me the most about Microsoft's E3 '13. I prefer to forget what happened to Rare in the past eleven years.
 

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They did use that IP. Very improperly.


Would it still be funny if M$ bought GF instead and Jiggs was yanked right out of Smash? :p
I can't even imagine Pokemon being owned by Microsoft... on the plus side; we would have Pokemon on console, maybe that MMO people are clamoring for... on the down side? Everything else. But yeah, that wouldn't be too funny; not only poor Jiggs, but poor every other Pokemon!
 

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Happy 500 pages everyone! To celebrate, say which unconfirmed character you are hoping will be in Smash the most! Mine is Issac from Golden Sun, since Megaman is in :) and Saki got AT'd :(
 

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Happy 500 pages everyone! To celebrate, say which unconfirmed character you are hoping will be in Smash the most! Mine is Issac from Golden Sun, since Megaman is in :) and Saki got AT'd :(
I suppose the character I am hoping will be in Smash the most is Black Shadow; it doesn't really matter though, I have Little Mac and Greninja.
 
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Happy 500 pages everyone! To celebrate, say which unconfirmed character you are hoping will be in Smash the most! Mine is Issac from Golden Sun, since Megaman is in :) and Saki got AT'd :(
Mewtwo is currently my most wanted (since Mega Man is in), but I'm confident in its inclusion.
 
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They did use that IP. Very improperly.
The only thing I remember then doing with it was making Nuts & Bolts.

That's all. That one thing that actually isn't that bad but was nonetheless unfaithful to it's series and they have been neglectful of that IP ever since.

We seriously need to start a petition to get Banjo Kazooie back to Nntendo. Not Rare, just Banjo. Maybe Conker and some other dead franchises that belonged to Rare.

For Smash Bros.
 

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Rare is dead to me at this point. Microsoft ruined what made them special and their IPs are a shadow of their former selves. Looking at the Killer Instinct game turning a free-to-play route was one of the things that infuriated me the most about Microsoft's E3 '13. I prefer to forget what happened to Rare in the past eleven years.
Yeah, people like to blame Rare and Nintendo a lot... and it was all three that caused the situation, but Microsoft purposely bought Rare at least in part to mess with Nintendo (considering they also tried to snatch Sega up for that reason), and they stomped on the projects Rare actually wanted to make until most of the important staff left and they were reduced to Avatars and giving their IPs to other, much less experienced devs. It sounds melodramatic, but as far as gaming goes, it is one of the great tragedies.

I wish Nintendo even had some interest in regaining those IPs, if they were so inclined I honestly wouldn't put it past them to be able to snatch a few from M$ (given M$ seems to care **** all about most of them - giving them one mediocre to terrible game at most), and we could finally see Banjo in Smash (and others too given some time to regrow their series), but as Nintendo seems content to just sit on profitable IPs they actually own and do nothing with them, them actually caring about getting those IPs back is pretty much just a pipe dream.

Sad.

Especially since IPs like Perfect Dark and Killer Instinct really could've helped capture demographics Nintendo barely seems to trifle with.

Happy 500 pages everyone! To celebrate, say which unconfirmed character you are hoping will be in Smash the most! Mine is Issac from Golden Sun, since Megaman is in :) and Saki got AT'd :(
You could at least spell your most wanted character correctly. :p
 

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The only thing I remember then doing with it was making Nuts & Bolts.

That's all. That one thing that actually isn't that bad but was nonetheless unfaithful to it's series and they have been neglectful of that IP ever since.

We seriously need to start a petition to get Banjo Kazooie back to Nntendo. Not Rare, just Banjo. Maybe Conker and some other dead franchises that belonged to Rare.

For Smash Bros.
I don't think a petition would work; they never really do, but more importantly, why would Nintendo sell the IP if they intended to use it?
 

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The only thing I remember then doing with it was making Nuts & Bolts.

That's all. That one thing that actually isn't that bad but was nonetheless unfaithful to it's series and they have been neglectful of that IP ever since.

We seriously need to start a petition to get Banjo Kazooie back to Nntendo. Not Rare, just Banjo. Maybe Conker and some other dead franchises that belonged to Rare.

For Smash Bros.
As much as I would love to get Banjo back to Nintendo, a petition will not work. Iwata already said that they don't listen to petitions.
 

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Happy 500 pages everyone! To celebrate, say which unconfirmed character you are hoping will be in Smash the most! Mine is Issac from Golden Sun, since Megaman is in :) and Saki got AT'd :(
Simon Belmont
 

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I don't think a petition would work; they never really do, but more importantly, why would Nintendo sell the IP if they intended to use it?
As much as I would love to get Banjo back to Nintendo, a petition will not work. Iwata already said that they don't listen to petitions.
Well first off, Iwata is on thin ice right now.

Second, maybe not a petition, but perhaps a campaign, similar to Operation Rainfall.

We'll call it...Operation Bearfall.
 

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As much as I would love to get Banjo back to Nintendo, a petition will not work. Iwata already said that they don't listen to petitions.
And Reggie specifically referenced the one about getting him in Smash and that he'll talk to Sakurai about it if it's successful. Nintendo says a lot of stuff.

But yeah, a petition at this point for anything in Smash is pointless. They aren't going to be making any major changes to a game coming out in a few months and it'll be years before the one(s) after these.
 

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The separated characters makes me fear that Popo & Nana will be separated. That will be disappointing because it takes away a lot of variety not having a single duo or swap-out character. But, then again, at least we still have puppeteer characters like Rosalina & Luma and Pikmin & Olimar

I'd also like to say that even after seeing Kritters in Smash run, I still have significant doubts about King K. Rool.
 
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And Reggie specifically referenced the one about getting him in Smash and that he'll talk to Sakurai about it if it's successful. Nintendo says a lot of stuff.

But yeah, a petition at this point for anything in Smash is pointless. They are going to be making any major changes to a game coming out in a few months and it'll be years before the one(s) after these.
That, in particular, is why I think DLC is a fantastic idea for Smash 4. This game will be having a long life cycle, and I think some DLC here and there could go a long way.

ESPECIALLY stages and characters. But those would obviously need to be few and far between, and Sakurai probably won't consistently stay on the project. Maybe Namco can handle that? I'm not sure how that would work.
 

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That, in particular, is why I think DLC is a fantastic idea for Smash 4. This game will be having a long life cycle, and I think some DLC here and there could go a long way.

ESPECIALLY stages and characters. But those would obviously need to be few and far between, and Sakurai probably won't consistently stay on the project. Maybe Namco can handle that? I'm not sure how that would work.
DLC characters, that's a pretty interesting topic. Who would be these DLC characters?
 

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That, in particular, is why I think DLC is a fantastic idea for Smash 4. This game will be having a long life cycle, and I think some DLC here and there could go a long way.

ESPECIALLY stages and characters. But those would obviously need to be few and far between, and Sakurai probably won't consistently stay on the project. Maybe Namco can handle that? I'm not sure how that would work.
I think there's a lot of unknowns regarding DLC that need to be cleared up before we'd know if petitioning would actually amount to anything... but either way it won't help Banjo's case this time around.

I very much doubt Sakurai would go to the effort of procuring him if it isn't going to be part of the main package. Not that he even could...

DLC characters, that's a pretty interesting topic. Who would be these DLC characters?
Previous cuts and partially-programmed characters.
 

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Previous cuts and partially-programmed characters.
Hopefully we would get Pichu and Roy if this were the case. And when/if SEGA gets bought out by Nintendo, we'd see a lot of Sonic DLC. I think the most wanted of the DLC from cut characters would be Mewtwo. I honestly don't see him coming back, so why not DLC if that be the case?
 

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The separated characters makes me fear that Popo & Nana will be separated. That will be disappointing because it takes away a lot of variety not having a single duo or swap-out character. But, then again, at least we still have puppeteer characters like Rosalina & Luma and Pikmin & Olimar

I'd also like to say that even after seeing Kritters in Smash run, I still have significant doubts about King K. Rool.
What?

Popo and Nana are not going to be separated; they aren't transformation characters. Secondly, if they were separated, they are surely one of the obvious cuts. Thirdly, if they were separated, but not cut, that would actually be cool because we would get an overhaul on one of them (probably Nana).
 

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Most wanted character...

Hm, I dunno. I don't really have any.
Don't worry, I'm almost 100% sure JohnTron will be in.


The separated characters makes me fear that Popo & Nana will be separated.
W-what? Wouldn't that be like Olimar without Pikmin? They won't be cut neither separeted because they're essentially one character. Not even Sakurai counts both Popo and Nana as 2 different characters like he does with Sheik and Zelda or Pkmn trainer.
 

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What?

Popo and Nana are not going to be separated; they aren't transformation characters. Secondly, if they were separated, they are surely one of the obvious cuts. Thirdly, if they were separated, but not cut, that would actually be cool because we would get an overhaul on one of them (probably Nana).
The way you think you're so sure of everything gets me feeling down. Mostly because the last direct showed us exactly otherwise.

  1. Duo characters still present a minor problem in 3DS development
  2. Ice Climbers, an obvious cut? Sure they deserve to be cut, but they are popular in the context of Smash and we're still getting Ice Climber enemies in Smash run. So it's not obvious like you claim.
W-what? Wouldn't that be like Olimar without Pikmin?
Pikmin and Luma aren't playable characters. So no.
 
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The separated characters makes me fear that Popo & Nana will be separated. That will be disappointing because it takes away a lot of variety not having a single duo or swap-out character. But, then again, at least we still have puppeteer characters like Rosalina & Luma and Pikmin & Olimar

I'd also like to say that even after seeing Kritters in Smash run, I still have significant doubts about King K. Rool.
I have a feeling that the Ice Climbers are a different case since Nana & Popo are not transformation characters.

At the point, K. Rool's chances are dependent on a few things; if we get more than fourteen newcomers, if we get a DK newcomer and if so, how many and who would be picked. For the character itself, I can't think of any potential issues.
That, in particular, is why I think DLC is a fantastic idea for Smash 4. This game will be having a long life cycle, and I think some DLC here and there could go a long way.

ESPECIALLY stages and characters. But those would obviously need to be few and far between, and Sakurai probably won't consistently stay on the project. Maybe Namco can handle that? I'm not sure how that would work.
I'm all for DLC and wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai went with it. It wouldn't be money-grabbing schemes, though, more likely contents planned but cut due to technical or time constraints or (probably not happening) entirely new contents prepared.

For characters, Roy and Dixie Kong would be good examples of potential DLC characters should they not get in the initial roster. Sakurai might take the opportunity to use DLC if not else then to get whatever remaining characters/stages/music/items are left.
 
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Why would Popo and Nana be separated, if we can have something like this?




Main reason the transformations were scrapped was so people only had to focus on one moveset rather than two or three anyway. Ice Climbers don't have that issue.
 
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Happy 500 pages everyone! To celebrate, say which unconfirmed character you are hoping will be in Smash the most! Mine is Issac from Golden Sun, since Megaman is in :) and Saki got AT'd :(
Hnnnng.... So many choices, so little time. I think Ghirahim would take the top of my list, although I'm not terribly optimistic.

Or Henry. Probably Henry. 8) (Although I'm even less optimistic.)
 

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The way you think you're so sure of everything gets me feeling down. Mostly because the last direct showed us exactly otherwise.

  1. Duo characters still present a minor problem in 3DS development
  2. Ice Climbers, an obvious cut? Sure they deserve to be cut, but they are popular in the context of Smash and we're still getting Ice Climber enemies in Smash run. So it's not obvious like you claim.

Pikmin and Luma aren't playable characters. So no.
It is my perspective; do I really need to type "IMO" after everything that I state? You are intelligent Saturn, don't pretend that I am objectively claiming anything outside of my opinion. This is an internet forum where people post their opinions every day. If you fear for the Ice Climbers being separated, you are most likely alone. I am positive that in the event of their separation, they are cut. The Direct didn't show "US" anything, it influenced YOUR perceptions, not mine.
 

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Happy 500 pages everyone! To celebrate, say which unconfirmed character you are hoping will be in Smash the most! Mine is Issac from Golden Sun, since Megaman is in :) and Saki got AT'd :(
Mewtwo. No questions. He's currently my all-time favorite Smash character in any installment, and I feel like an important part of the roster is missing without him. I sincerely hope he makes a comeback this time around.
 

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Regardless of what others may think, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, and Wario have interacted with Mario outside of the spin-off titles at least once, so they're still treated as being Mario Universe characters, even if they have their own franchises.

Of course, Yoshi has stronger ties to the Mario franchise than Donkey Kong and Wario, since he and Mario share the exact same antagonist; Bowser.
I always wondered why they just don't Bring Wart back and make him Yoshi's main antagonist. Shy Guys are already Yoshi's Goombas and he has a preexisting relationship with Birdo due to the spinoff games so he already has a subcon connection. Bringing in Wart, Mouser, Triclyde and the others could only be positive for his series.
 

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The way you think you're so sure of everything gets me feeling down. Mostly because the last direct showed us exactly otherwise.

  1. Duo characters still present a minor problem in 3DS development
  2. Ice Climbers, an obvious cut? Sure they deserve to be cut, but they are popular in the context of Smash and we're still getting Ice Climber enemies in Smash run. So it's not obvious like you claim.

Pikmin and Luma aren't playable characters. So no.
The direct says there would not be any more transformations. The ice climbers did not transform, nana simply mirrored popo. I imagine rosalina and luma will operate somewhat similarly albeit more advanced.
 

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Why would Popo and Nana be separated, if we can have something like this?




Main reason the transformations were scrapped was so people only had to focus on one moveset rather than two or three anyway. Ice Climbers don't have that issue.
That, and balance also plays a role. Honestly ICs seperated would more will be more of a detriment then a benefit. The MAIN thing they need fixing is their chaingrabbing.
 
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I think they had mistaken Smash Bros for Dead or Alive.
Or simply because the website and its users aren't as die hard fans as us.

I remind you that I'm also a french person BTW.
 
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People are talking about Ice Climbers getting cut?
Well, they;re a fan-favorite retro with a unique style.
Polar Bear in Smash Run.
Kirby had a customizable freeze attack.

And, honestly, looking at Rosaluma's moveset trailer...
I think she looks MUCH more complicated than Ice Climbers and Olimar.
 
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