Jason the Yoshi
Watching Me, Wanting Me
Nah, by the sixth Smash Nintendo would've bought SEGA, and there's way too many cuts. That and it just looks off!How about my 60 roster for Smash 6, I wish XD
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Zhadgon
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For me it needs to be Sheik, ZSS and Toon Link, there is no need to have the same character or persona if you like to represent the same being, I mean you can cut them and give their movesets to some new comers, their universe will not be lost because there is still their main forms and give space for new blood to take over with their universe, music, characters and items.
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FlareHabanero
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It might depend much more on what is exactly happening in the future, more so then normal.
Like for example if Chrom and Greninja are pushed to the sidelines and are considered old news, they may be scrapped. Alternatively, we get a character that is rather uninspiring or hated scrapped due to being the weakest link, or a character that won't get in due to copyright reasons in the case of third parties.
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I doubt a 2nd Link would ever be cut in future Smash titles.
Morbi
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Apparently it was necessary, which is why we have one. Necessity isn't an attribute relevant to Smash speculation. It is more likely than not, that Sakurai will want Wolf in Smash 4 (as he did in Melee, and Brawl, obviously). He is more important than Falco; although that isn't really material.
Why do you think he is a likely omission? Give me a reason other than Star Fox's performance (which doesn't have a correlation to Smash; if it did, we wouldn't have gotten Wolf in the first place).
Edit- The Direct doesn't really apply to me; I predicted everything that happened in the Direct (except for Greninja) and I was hardly surprised by his inclusion either. He is the most logical; most people just grouped him with Kalos Trainer, that is why he seems obscure. In any event, being more unique doesn't guarantee his safety, it establishes that he has a different play-style. Removing that play-style is probably something that would deter Sakurai from removing the character.
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Jason the Yoshi
Watching Me, Wanting Me
That's exactly why I think Krystal is guaranteed
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Unless Dark Link becomes one Zelda's new artstyle flavor of the month.
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I don't see much of a correlation.
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Thats kind of jumping the gun without much Star Fox content revealed.
I would wait a bit before ruling her out.
Zhadgon
Smash Lord
I need to see first Nintendo buying SEGA and wait for the final roster of this Smash to see how many cuts were made to make a response.
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SuperBrawler
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I still don't get why Nintendo would buy SEGA.
TheLastJinjo
Banned via Warnings
That is bad reasoning. Just because a character got in does NOT mean they were necessary.
Mewtwo was planned for both, got in one, and was close to getting in the last. Wolf was CONSIDERED for Melee and the argument that he's more important than Falco is just absurd.
Your arguments for Wolf are terrible because otherwise Mewtwo would be here and in Brawl for being present in Melee and having a unique move set.
Also Wolf was still lower priority in Brawl than Falco despite being more unique, so once again your argument is flawed.
Please do not request that I repeat stuff I already said. If you forgot please scroll up the page to read my previous posts. Also why do you say that because something was okay in Brawl that it's important now? That doesn't make any sense. That's like saying if Roy was low priority in Brawl we wouldn't have gotten him in Melee. It's gibberish. Times change.
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That works as well, hence me not listing Mega Man or Pacman definitively one way or the other.
Arguably what we're seeing this go around is the prioritization of unique movesets at the expense of important characters. That's not to say there aren't important characters there, but there are fewer of them you can point to and confidently declare "That guy is never getting cut, they're too iconic" like you can with a lot of Brawl's newcomers. From now on, so long as the newcomers come with unique movesets, their identities may become far less important in the developers' eyes, for better or for worse.
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Jason the Yoshi
Watching Me, Wanting Me
Well, Saturn kinda made Wolf's disclusion being because he's a clone of Wolf. I agree to that on a small scale, but Krystal would be anything but a clone in Super Smash Bros
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I think some people here would disagree with that. And if they're going to actually cut any of the Star Fox characters, I rather doubt that they'd get replaced by a character that's less important or even as recent as them.
Morbi
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I am not going back a page to read your posts; I could tell you to do the same. It just isn't going to happen, you didn't read everything I stated, I didn't read everything you asserted. So we can't really have a coherent debate.
TumblrFamous
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You think there'll be a 6th Smash game? How naive.
As for Wolf, I certainly don't want him gone, but I feel like him and Lucas are low on the priority list this time. I pray they don't get cut, but I'm staying rather optimistic.
Morbi
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Why wouldn't there be a 6th iteration of Smash? That doesn't even make sense.
TheLastJinjo
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nope, nope, nope SOOO much nope.
I did not
Rev up those nopes! Cuz I am sure hungry for calling bull **** on that.
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I may not be a huge fan of the Mother franchise but...I kinda fail to see how Lucas would be cut/low priority other than some of his moves being similar to Ness'.
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What excellent timing you have!
SuperBrawler
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The funny thing is, I am pretty sure Saturn thinks Krystal would be a clone.
Plus, we all know:
Slippy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Leon>>>>>>>>>>>>>Panther
EDIT: Ah, there it is!
Nice timing!
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Jason the Yoshi
Watching Me, Wanting Me
TumblrFamous
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Personally, I just don't see it happening. My baseless opinion.
Though I'd like to see more, this will probably be the last one I follow, and I just honestly don't see it continuing after this.
Morbi
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The only relevant reason anyone establishes is that Mother isn't a prominent Nintendo franchise; with 2 representatives it is disproportionate. It is fallacious reasoning that is self-referential incoherence, but most people agree, so it is considered "logic."
FlareHabanero
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Keep in mind that Super Smash Bros. is a very notable gateway series, meaning whatever characters gets on the roster will automatically gain fame or notoriety. Which naturally causes a bit of a snafu over who should or shouldn't be cut. Wii Fit Trainer for example was a character very few knew even existed, but after being confirmed the character gained a lot of notoriety for her bizarre presence being all tongue in cheek and the character sported characteristics that attracted certain artists. Hell, characters like Captain Falcon feed off of Super Smash Bros. due to the lack of hope for future titles. Because of Super smash Bros. causing a sudden surge of popularity, removing a character becomes a lot more tricky. Even flavor of the month type characters like Greninja aren't guaranteed to be scrapped.
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I've been thinking about the BEST zelda rep,
Based on popularity,the game's recogniztion,and finally,uniqueness.
After concluding the results,I think to myself,HOW COULD I,no,WE BE SO BLIND?!
First question you might ask : Why? Over Ghirahim and my non-legal waifu Tetra?
A : Sure,he may not be popular,but he's notable,used in memes,and is recognized in one of the most notable games in Nintendo history!
Second question : What makes him unique?
A : He could use items he sells,use that cardboard sword's beam as a projetile,you name it! He's got goods,he uses them
Final Question : What kind of weed you smokin'?
A : Chronic.
Based on popularity,the game's recogniztion,and finally,uniqueness.
After concluding the results,I think to myself,HOW COULD I,no,WE BE SO BLIND?!
First question you might ask : Why? Over Ghirahim and my non-legal waifu Tetra?
A : Sure,he may not be popular,but he's notable,used in memes,and is recognized in one of the most notable games in Nintendo history!
Second question : What makes him unique?
A : He could use items he sells,use that cardboard sword's beam as a projetile,you name it! He's got goods,he uses them
Final Question : What kind of weed you smokin'?
A : Chronic.
TumblrFamous
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Is that a Spongebob reference?
I can honestly say that Krystal does have a chance of being a clone. Personally, I think we can all agree we'd rather a unique Krystal than another Fox clone, but there's a plausible chance she can be a clone (though I don't think it's a good idea).
Morbi
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I suppose anything is better than Toon Zelda; I support.
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Soo....pretty much using a subjective opinion on how many reps a franchise people think it "Deserves".
Eh, guess its nothing new.
TumblrFamous
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This guy was kinda just talking in circles. The only concrete thing he said was that Sonic and Mario have become "buddies".
I'm still dissing the idea.
I wouldn't by a company that said they would MAKE Sonic pornography.
As expected from you would say that makes it all the more better
Jason the Yoshi
Watching Me, Wanting Me
...Krystal would not be a clone, dude. That staff she has in StarFox Adventures can make her extremely unique.
That's the problem you run into with expanding Smash rosters...literally every character added into Smash develops a fanbase, even Pichu, but the Smash fanbase still wants a reasonably large selection of newcomers. We can count on, say, Game & Watch to make the jump because he's arguably the first shock character (unless you count, say, Ness in 64), but when the number of shock characters grows to four, five, six or more, it becomes tougher to count on all of those characters making the jump, simply because the initial reason for their selection is no longer unique to them.
The solution, of course, would be to start collectively welcoming some characters as permanent staples and others as temporary treats, but that creates the additional snag of everyone wanting their favorite to be the former and no one wanting their character to be the latter.
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You never played Star Fox Adventures,did you?
Morbi
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Please don't bring up the staff while SaturnGamer is around; he doesn't believe that she would be included with that staff, end of story!
TumblrFamous
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I don't think Krystal in Starfox Adventures means anything. If Sakurai wants to give her a staff, he certainly will. If she's a last minute addition, for example, she'll be a clone most likely. (I do want the staff, and think it's more likely, but being a last-minute clone is possible)
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Jason the Yoshi
Watching Me, Wanting Me
He makes a ton of good points though. It can happen.
You cannot be serious about Sonic becoming a porn star if Nintendo buys SEGA! That's unthinkable
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I applaud your thinking, man...but we can't say for sure she won't be a clone. There is a slight chance that she could be one...but Rosalina happened & people judged her as "Half-baked Peach clone" before her reveal so what do I know?
Heck its not even limited to Krystal, all the characters we like or support could be made a clone, they all have a chance to be one.
They could take Ridley & make him like Chari- Oh....
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