Character Discussion Thread

[The Light Music Club]

Oh God, Zelda newcomer debates might be the new Fire Emblem newcomer debates..

 

[ChikoLad]

The idea of Toon Zelda/Sheik seems sooooooooooOOOOoooOOoOOOOOOoo unappealing and the addition of Tingle to the roster is a slap to the face to every smash bros fan out there.

The only "new" zelda rep that would be received positively is a Ganondorf with a new move set. Otherwise there is no need to over saturate a series that is already represented very well in the game.

...How would Tingle be a "slap to the face of every Smash fan"?

Oh right, this is Smashboards, where playing "For Fun" is blasphemy.

 

[TheUnsullied]

Fire emblem only needs Marth, Ike, and Chrom. THATS IT. I would take Lucina but a reskin of Chrom would do just fine IMO

 

[zauberdragon]

Regarding the whole roster balance thing of "the big 3":

Mario should stay at 5 as there is really nobody I feel needs including. Rosalina was the best possible choice for a Mario rep. We currently don't need anymore unless we are willing to delve into the RPGs. I wouldn't be too surprised if Bowser Jr. showed up, but that's the max for this game. I really think no other Mario character (from the platformers) needs/deserves a spot.

Pokémon deserves to take the most spots on the roster because it has BY FAR more characters to choose from, it's an endless gold mine for Smash characters. And I'm sure there are more fans of particular Pokémon than there are of Mario characters. This arbitrary "but Mario is the biggest franchise" argument is not logical. Mario may beat Pokémon in sales, but consider the fact that big Pokémon releases come WAY less often than Mario ones. I feel Pokémon is just as well known as Mario at this point. That, and I think it's way easier to please the Pokémon fans than the Mario ones.

Zelda doesn't necessarily need a newcomer, anyone beyond Toon Zelda/Sheik, King Harkinian (), Vaati or Tingle, is digging at the bottom of the barrel out of desperation. For this iteration of Smash though, Ganondorf being completely revamped would do as a newcomer.

Mario is the company mascot though which sort of supersedes any other franchise! Plus wario, yoshi, dk and diddy are already sort of mario characters. Thing that bothers me is just because someone doesn't have a mushroom next to the name they're not a mario character. The history of all those apart from diddy are linked straight to a mario game and diddy by association.

Brawl had 4-8 marios, 5 zeldas and 6 pokemans in my humble opinion, it just looked like they each had 4.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Fire emblem only needs Marth, Ike, and Chrom. THATS IT. I would take Lucina but a reskin of Chrom would do just fine IMO

Fire Emblem needs another Blue-hair? I disagree. The Silver hair of both Micaiah and Robin (Female of course) seems so much more appealing.

 

[Kenith]

I personally consider Yoshi to be a Mario character and DK and Wario to not be.

Donkey Kong and Wario have distanced themselves from Mario to the point where Mario doesn't even appear in their games.

Whereas Yoshi characters and Mario characters are interchangeable.

 

[Zhadgon]

In before we have this:

As Zelda newcomer replacing current Ganondorf.
.n_n.

 

[Deleted member]

Link, Zelda, Sheik, Ganondorf, Toon Link.
These will be our 5 Zelda characters.

If by the very off chance we get a 6th, it will be Toon Zelda (no Toon Sheik; the Zelda/Sheik split saw the end to that).

 

[TheUnsullied]

...How would Tingle be a "slap to the face of every Smash fan"?

Oh right, this is Smashboards, where playing "For Fun" is blasphemy.

I'm sorry dude but Tingle would be such a disappointing roster pick. Even as a "WTF" or "Just for fun character" there are wayyy better options than Tingle.

 

[ChikoLad]

Mario is the company mascot though which sort of supersedes any other franchise! Plus wario, yoshi, dk and diddy are already sort of mario characters. Thing that bothers me is just because someone doesn't have a mushroom next to the name they're not a mario character. The history of all those apart from diddy are linked straight to a mario game and diddy by association.

Brawl had 4-8 marios, 5 zeldas and 6 pokemans in my humble opinion.

Again, that's arbitrary reasoning. To me, single Mario characters have more impact than a single Pokémon character, and I'm sure lots of people feel like that. One Mario character has the impact of two Pokémon characters when we are including the likes of Greninja, who aren't that iconic yet. Pokémon really should have the most characters as it is the most character-centric series in Smash.

 

[Kenith]

Oh God, Zelda newcomer debates might be the new Fire Emblem newcomer debates..

It's funny because I basically started all this by deliberately messing with people.

Seriously, I meant literally nothing I said!
Except that Skyward Sword is awesome. Because it is.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Again, that's arbitrary reasoning. To me, single Mario characters have more impact than a single Pokémon character, and I'm sure lots of people feel like that. One Mario character has the impact of two Pokémon characters. Pokémon really should have the most characters as it is the most character-centric series in Smash.

That's why Fire Emblem should have more characters than Star Fox or Kirby, cause you know there's like what 40 new characters each game?

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

...I honestly think Fire Emblem warrants not just three, but four characters in Smash.

To have only two characters in Smash 4 would feel wrong.

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[ChikoLad]

That's why Fire Emblem should have more characters than Star Fox or Kirby, cause you know there's like what 40 new characters each game?

Fire Emblem still isn't on the map enough yet, especially not to a point where it would get TWO newcomers in one Smash game.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Everyone in @ Kenith 's signature is already in the game guys.

JonTron CONFIRMED.

 

[Andinus]

Like pretty much all the characters everyone keeps claiming as shoe-ins, or guaranteed have no solid basis beyond "hope". Seriously, I feel like everyone is needing a bit of a reality check!

It's fine to fantasize/theorize, but stop talking like its a certainty. Sheesh!

 

[The Light Music Club]

...I honestly think Fire Emblem warrants not just three, but four characters in Smash.

To have only two characters in Smash 4 would feel wrong.

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So many potential Characters! Just look at the Fire Emblem X Shin Megami Trailer. That's like over ten viable options.

 

[Headcrab Jackalope]

JonTron CONFIRMED.

JonTron for top tier.

 

[zauberdragon]

Again, that's arbitrary reasoning. To me, single Mario characters have more impact than a single Pokémon character, and I'm sure lots of people feel like that. One Mario character has the impact of two Pokémon characters when we are including the likes of Greninja, who aren't that iconic yet. Pokémon really should have the most characters as it is the most character-centric series in Smash.

I'm going to have to disagree there and say it's the least. Sure there's 700 odd pokemon but there's only a handful you could actually get away with putting into Smash. I doubt Stantler or trubbish will make it in the roster any time soon. Everyone has there own experience playing pokemon, I picked the water starter on X and Y as I did with every gen but not everyone did. Even fewer people had a golurk on their team like I did. You play a main mario game and you're playing as mario if you like it or not.

Smash is first and foremost a celebration of Nintendo and Mario is the largest chunk of it like it or not. Pokemon is certainly in the top three, if not second but needs to play second fiddle to ol' jumpman due to company politics.

 

[TheUnsullied]

Fire Emblem needs another Blue-hair? I disagree. The Silver hair of both Micaiah and Robin (Female of course) seems so much more appealing.

I understand the concern over the hair color but really... the only ones that can represent the series well are the blue haired mofos. Robin is viable but less likely to happen since Robin is a custom character. If the hair color really bothers you that much then change the skin color.

 

[ChikoLad]

I'm going to have to disagree there and say it's the least. Sure there's 700 odd pokemon but there's only a handful you could actually get away with putting into Smash. I doubt Stantler or trubbish will make it in the roster any time soon. Everyone has there own experience playing pokemon, I picked the water starter on X and Y as I did with every gen but not everyone did. Even fewer people had a golurk on their team like I did. You play a main mario game and you're playing as mario if you like it or not.

Smash is first and foremost a celebration of Nintendo and Mario is the largest chunk of it like it or not. Pokemon is certainly in the top three, if not second but needs to play second fiddle to ol' jumpman due to company politics.

Again, your reasoning is arbitrary. Seriously, "company politics"?

Pretty much any bipedal or quadrupedal character in Pokémon is completely viable as a Smash candidate, and even more beyond that. Remember, Pikachu is a mere 40cm high in his own games.

 

[Zhadgon]

The only new FE characters that I can accept beside Marth, Roy, Ike and Chrom are these two:

Spoiler

.n_n.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Fire Emblem still isn't on the map enough yet, especially not to a point where it would get TWO newcomers in one Smash game.

They were on the Japan map to get two newcomers in Melee though... Heck in Brawl they were supposed to have three characters.

 

[ChikoLad]

They were on the Japan map to get two newcomers in Melee though... Heck in Brawl they were supposed to have three characters.

Marth and Roy were originally supposed to be Japan exclusive though, and just about got into Western Melee due to sudden fan outcry. Fire Emblem is a hit in Japan, which is why it got the two newcomers in Melee, but they only made into the Western version due to very sudden demand.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm sorry dude but Tingle would be such a disappointing roster pick. Even as a "WTF" or "Just for fun character" there are wayyy better options than Tingle.

This should be interesting.
Like who, exactly?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

They were on the Japan map to get two newcomers in Melee though... Heck in Brawl they were supposed to have three characters.

I don't think people in the west understand how big of a series it is in Japan.
Fire Emblem pretty much defined the turn-based strategy-RPG genre.
And it's been pretty popular in Japan even since the first one on the Famicom.
I'm not saying it's deserving of anything but I thought I'd just point that out.

 

[zauberdragon]

Again, your reasoning is arbitrary. Seriously, "company politics"?

Pretty much any bipedal or quadrupedal character in Pokémon is completely viable as a Smash candidate, and even more beyond that. Remember, Pikachu is a mere 40cm high in his own games.

By your logic most mario enemies could be potential characters but that won't happen. You or I could write a moveset for Magmar but he's not going to be playable because he's not relevant at all.

Mario is the mascot it makes sense for him to have the biggest amount of representation. I agree there's more to chose from in Pokemon but that doesn't mean Pokemon should have more characters. Fire Emblem has huge numbers of characters but I doubt you'd argue for inflated numbers of FE reps.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Marth and Roy were originally supposed to be Japan exclusive though, and just about got into Western Melee due to sudden fan outcry. Fire Emblem is a hit in Japan, which is why it got the two newcomers in Melee, but they only made into the Western version due to very sudden demand.

That shows that fans worldwide like Fire Emblem. Especially the Smash Community, whom this game is being made for.

 

[Zhadgon]

It seems my options are not interesting enough, cries in a dark corner by himself someday I will show them.

.n_n.

 

[kikaru]

This should be interesting.
Like who, exactly?

Like not Tingle.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

It seems my options are not interesting enough, cries in a dark corner by himself someday I will show them.

.n_n.

Show them now, I say NOW.

 

[The Light Music Club]

It seems my options are not interesting enough, cries in a dark corner by himself someday I will show them.

.n_n.

I ignored it because they both have blue hair. #Silverhair4dayz

 

[TheUnsullied]

This should be interesting.
Like who, exactly?

If you are going to go the WTF route go all the way... so how about the rumored Chorus Men?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I ignored it because they both have blue hair. #Silverhair4dayz

Takamaru has blue hair would you be a little pissed if he got in?

 

[Kenith]

This should be interesting.
Like who, exactly?

Ghirahim, definitely who he's talking about.

 

[Leafeon523]

Ace from Mario tennis power tour would be the PERFECT WFTish character

 

[Deleted member]

Like not Tingle.

Try a non-biased answer.

Exactly what makes Tingle, the only character of the Zelda franchise to get his own set of games, so bad?
Give valid reasons. No "he's creepy" bull**** or "America hates him", which would have affected his status as an Assist in Brawl.

Ghirahim, definitely who he's talking about.

I'd take Tingle over Ghirahim any day.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Time to apply my own cockamamie logic to the Pokemon characters.

I've only played the first, third, and sixth gens.

In Red, I had Charizard, in Emerald, I had Sceptile, in X, I had Greninja.

Sceptile confirmed for type triangle completion because I said so/it can't just be a coincidence/I'm a prophet, calling this **** now.

Am I doing it right?

 

[The Light Music Club]

Takamaru has blue hair would you be a little pissed if he got in?

In his case, I'd prefer Donbe and Hikari or Duck Hunt Dog.

 

[Deleted member]

If you are going to go the WTF route go all the way... so how about the rumored Chorus Men?

I don't really see Tingle within that category.

So by default, I guess the Chorus Kids would be a better "WTF". Though they're only "WTF" because the RH franchise has plenty of others to work with.....