Character Discussion Thread

[SuperBrawler]

Tingle is one of my favourite characters.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Try a non-biased answer.

Exactly what makes Tingle, the only character of the Zelda franchise to get his own set of games, so bad?
Give valid reasons. No "he's creepy" bull**** or "America hates him", which would have affected his status as an Assist in Brawl.

He sends people to work at his magic tower of slavery and expensive-ass maps?

Dunno, really. But if he got in, do you think there would be a chance that he could be represented as a spin-off character and get his own symbol?

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[Zhadgon]

Show them now, I say NOW.

I ignored it because they both have blue hair. #Silverhair4dayz

Zelda:

FE:

One has Green hair.
.n_n.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

In his case, I'd prefer Donbe and Hikari or Duck Hunt Dog.

Seriously dude?
Naw JK but on Hikari and Donbe if I remember right they're from Shin Onigashima.
And Shin Onigashima is a text based adventure so that'd be a little weird.
Possible but weird.

 

[Deleted member]

He sends people to work at his magic tower of slavery and expensive-*** maps?

Dunno, really. But if he got in, do you think there would be a chance that he could be represented as a spin-off character and get his own symbol?

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It's possible, but hard to say.

 

[kikaru]

Try a non-biased answer.

Exactly what makes Tingle, the only character of the Zelda franchise to get his own set of games, so bad?
Give valid reasons. No "he's creepy" bull**** or "America hates him", which would have affected his status as an Assist in Brawl.


I'd take Tingle over Ghirahim any day.

I have nothing against Tingle, I was simply being sarcastic. He definitely possesses quirky qualities that would make him an odd, yet enjoyable character. While some may be disgruntled upon his addition I think their woes will be easily remedied when they realize that they have the satisfaction of beating the rupees out of him.

 

[Leafeon523]

In terms of Tingle being left out, there is a good possibility that the Termina bay stage could return, leaving Tingle as a stage element. This is supported by:
-Skull kid as an assist
-the possibility of a Majora's mask remake for 3ds
-Skull kid not summoning the moon (part of the Termina bay stage)

 

[TumblrFamous]

I think when it comes to a Zelda newcomer, it's down to Tingle and Toon Zelda. Out of all the potentials, they, IMO, have the most merits.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Seriously dude?
Naw JK but on Hikari and Donbe if I remember right they're from Shin Onigashima.
And Shin Onigashima is a text based adventure so that'd be a little weird.
Possible but weird.

But have you heard the music from that game? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63qEt9OyoUw

And why not? We need the text based genre to get some love. Why? Because Visual Novels are amazing. Toss in either them or Ayumi Tachibana.

 

[SuperBrawler]

I think when it comes to a Zelda newcomer, it's down to Tingle and Toon Zelda. Out of all the potentials, they, IMO, have the most merits.

No offense to anyone who likes Toon Zelda, but I hate her for some reason.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

But have you heard the music from that game? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63qEt9OyoUw

And why not? We need the text based genre to get some love. Why? Because Visual Novels are amazing. Toss in either them or Ayumi Tachibana.

Actually Shin Onigashima was my favorite track in Brawl so yes I've heard.LOL
And I'd love to see them in, and yes it does deserve some love, and YES they have an awesome opportunity for a fantastic moveset.
But they don't seem likely... Which sucks.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Actually Shin Onigashima was my favorite track in Brawl so yes I've heard.LOL
And I'd love to see them in, and yes it does deserve some love, and YES they have an awesome opportunity for a fantastic moveset.
But they don't seem likely... Which sucks.

In my opinion they are in the same boat as Ice Climbers, a non-relevant duo that deserves a new game.

 

[ChikoLad]

By your logic most mario enemies could be potential characters but that won't happen. You or I could write a moveset for Magmar but he's not going to be playable because he's not relevant at all.

Mario is the mascot it makes sense for him to have the biggest amount of representation. I agree there's more to chose from in Pokemon but that doesn't mean Pokemon should have more characters. Fire Emblem has huge numbers of characters but I doubt you'd argue for inflated numbers of FE reps.

To me, it just sounds like you want Mario characters for the sake of stroking the franchises giggoogity. Beyond Bowser Jr, there are no Mario platformer characters who deserve a place in Smash, and we'd be better off saving him for Smash 6 (3DS and Wii U are 4 & 5).

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

In my opinion they are in the same boat as Ice Climbers, a non-relevant duo that deserves a new game.

I agree and while I do like them and Duck Hunt Dog.
Takamaru is my favorite character from Nintendo that's not represented in Smash.
Crap, if they want to give him black hair that'd be fine as long as he's in.

 

[zauberdragon]

To me, it just sounds like you want Mario characters for the sake of stroking the franchises giggoogity. Beyond Bowser Jr, there are no Mario platformer characters who deserve a place in Smash, and we'd be better off saving him for Smash 6 (3DS and Wii U are 4 & 5).

I don't want more mario characters, I'd say 5 plus yoshi and wario is fine. I just don't think Pokemon deserves more characters than mario, more than 5-6 reps at any rate just because you could theoretically create movesets for them. I agree Bowser Jr is the only other deserving mario rep but he's no more or less deserving than any pokemon other than mewtwo and jigglypuff.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I honestly don't find Toon Zelda very likely, as all of our newcomers so far seem unique, and at this point, there's really no way to make her unique.

 

[ChikoLad]

I don't want more mario characters, I'd say 5 plus yoshi and wario is fine. I just don't think Pokemon deserves more characters than mario, more than 5-6 reps at any rate just because you could theoretically create movesets for them. I agree Bowser Jr is the only other deserving mario rep but he's no more or less deserving than any pokemon other than mewtwo and jigglypuff.

Now it just sounds like you are completely unaware of the popularity of some Pokemon.

 

[Andinus]

To me, it just sounds like you want Mario characters for the sake of stroking the franchises giggoogity. Beyond Bowser Jr, there are no Mario platformer characters who deserve a place in Smash, and we'd be better off saving him for Smash 6 (3DS and Wii U are 4 & 5).

High virtual 5 for the family guy reference there.

 

[Rockaphin]

This should be interesting.
Like who, exactly?

I'd prefer Vaati myself. He's appeared in multiple Zelda games and could potentially be a unique addition. I'm not against Tingle as I think he's the most deserving, but I personally don't like him.

 

[zauberdragon]

Now it just sounds like you are completely unaware of the popularity of some Pokemon.

I've played every gen since the beginning and trust me I'm not underestimating the franchise. You could make some cracking movesets but just because you could doesn't mean you should. To me it sounds like you want to put every popular pokemon in just because it's possible. It's a game for Nintendo all-stars not just Pokemon.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Lol, I thought I was perma-banned again.

But, since I'm not I guess I'll share that alt. Roster I was talking about

FULL:

LOCKED:

I actually have an 8.6 Roster which replaces Jigglypuff with Mewtwo. I kept Jigglypuff in this one because I think Mewtwo will be left out for game play reasons. Plus you gotta have more cutesy Pokemon. However if Sakurai doesn't replace Jiggs with Mews than I think he might have gone insane.

Chrom is in this one and as you can see I only have Awakening characters in my predictions. With Sakurai picking the newest Mario character and newest Pokemon character, I find it only logical for Fire Emblem to get the same.

Mach Rider I still have doubts about because of his horrendous similarities to Captain Falcon. And Diskun is back. Sakurai's talent has proven to me that he is perfectly capable of making a move set for Diskun. In which case Diskun is a very ideal choice given his significance as a historical icon from Famicom's history.

Wolf is also removed because I find him very expendable and Sakurai may see him as not entirely necessary (which I don't personally believe). And Pac-Man I have because he's a very deserving character and Namco is certainly convincing Sakurai to add Namco related content.

 

[ChikoLad]

I've played every gen since the beginning and trust me I'm not underestimating the franchise. You could make some cracking movesets but just because you could doesn't mean you should. To me it sounds like you want to put every popular pokemon in just because it's possible. It's a game for Nintendo all-stars not just Pokemon.

No, I'd rather they add more franchises, but if we have to oversaturate the roster with any franchise, I'd pick Pokemon, because the character designs are interesting and the moveset potential is there. And I don't even play Pokemon anymore. I play Mario, but I'd be lying if I said there was anymore noteworthy characters from the main series beyond Bowser Jr.

 

[Zhadgon]

How about my 60 roster for Smash 6, I wish XD

.n_n.

 

[Autumn ♫]

How about my 60 roster for Smash 6, I wish XD

.n_n.

It hurts me seeing so many cuts...

 

[TheLastJinjo]

The fact that Greninja's neutral special is so similar to Lucario makes me fret for Mewtwo even more. And he's got the tail on his neck.

 

[zauberdragon]

No, I'd rather they add more franchises, but if we have to oversaturate the roster with any franchise, I'd pick Pokemon, because the character designs are interesting and the moveset potential is there. And I don't even play Pokemon anymore. I play Mario, but I'd be lying if I said there was anymore noteworthy characters from the main series beyond Bowser Jr.

Well I agree with you on the Mario side of things, my argument is just there's no need to over saturate any franchise. I honestly can't see any more pokemon that come close to warranting a place outside an unnecessary starter from a previous gen (sorry grass starter fans).

Anyway interesting chat but I'm off to bed. Night all.

 

[Morbi]

The fact that Greninja's neutral special is so similar to Lucario makes me fret for Mewtwo even more. And he's got the tail on his neck.

What about Pokemon Trainer being cut for a solo Charizard? Or maybe even the Phantom being confirmed as a move. I suppose only one of us could be right!

 

[ChikoLad]

>Cutting Rosalina

Well someone is going to find themselves banished from time and space.

 

[FlareHabanero]

No offense to anyone who likes Toon Zelda, but I hate her for some reason.

Because it's a character that contributes to absolutely nothing and is a complete waste of development time.

 

[BKupa666]

There will have to be cuts eventually for the sake of balance, so it may as well be a prior-game newcomer who is comparatively unimportant next to most of the rest of the roster.

Now that all characters get move customizability as an option, my idea for a Smash revamp would have to be even more extreme with regard to changing them up than I had previously thought.

 

[Zhadgon]

It hurts me seeing so many cuts...

They are expendable, we need more new franchises added and star power, but that is my wish and obviously a lot of people will disagree with me, I´m fine with that.
.n_n.

 

[FlareHabanero]

There will have to be cuts eventually for the sake of balance, so it may as well be a prior-game newcomer who is comparatively unimportant next to most of the rest of the roster.

Case in point, Roy, Dr. Mario, Pichu, and Young Link being scrapped for Brawl, and Ivysaur and Squirtle being scrapped for Smash for Wii U/3DS.

 

[Morbi]

Case in point, Roy, Dr. Mario, Pichu, and Young Link being scrapped for Brawl, and Ivysaur and Squirtle being scrapped for Smash for Wii U/3DS.

I thought Squirtle and Ivysaur were important; that was always the defense when I suggested their removal. I suppose something has drastically changed after that Direct... huh?

That being said, Mewtwo was cut from Brawl, he was relatively prominent. So it isn't always the case, but it seems like Sakurai tries to ensure that most of the least important characters are removed first.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I feel like Wolf getting cut is inevitable. To be honest he is admittedly an expendable character, I don't mean to sound like one of those clone nazis, but I think from the view of Sakurai, a third character with Fox moves isn't THAT important won't be very high priority this time around. I think he was more of a fan demand character for Brawl and that his purpose has been fulfilled and thus might no longer be needed.

I pray that it's not the case. I love Wolf's move set an Wolf as a character. It'll be sad not having a Star Wolf character. But, priority wise I think he's really low on the list.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I feel like Wolf getting cut is inevitable. To be honest he is admittedly an expendable character, I don't mean to sound like one of those clone nazis, but I think from the view of Sakurai, a third character with Fox moves isn't THAT important won't be very high priority this time around. I think he was more of a fan demand character for Brawl and that his purpose has been fulfilled and thus might no longer be needed.

I pray that it's not the case. I love Wolf's move set an Wolf as a character. It'll be sad not having a Star Wolf character. But, priority wise I think he's really low on the list.

I think Wolf's safe. After all, he was planned for Melee, but was replaced by Falco for looking to much like Fox at the time.

 

[BKupa666]

Case in point, Roy, Dr. Mario, Pichu, and Young Link being scrapped for Brawl, and Ivysaur and Squirtle being scrapped for Smash for Wii U/3DS.

That's where I foresee some trouble next game. Beyond Little Mac and Palutena, which other newcomers are going to stick around? Are Greninja, Chrom and the three shock characters (counting Villager because, based on that interview, Sakurai lumps him in with WFT) really going to become permanent Smash fixtures now? Something has to give, eventually. I'm leaning toward that something being them.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I thought Squirtle and Ivysaur were important; that was always the defense when I suggested their removal. I suppose something has drastically changed after that Direct... huh?

They were only important when together with the Pokemon Trainer.

But since Pokemon Trainer is gone, their niche is gone.

Also, no, there isn't going to be another Pokemon Trainer.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I thought Squirtle and Ivysaur were important; that was always the defense when I suggested their removal. I suppose something has drastically changed after that Direct... huh?

They were only important in the context of the Pokemon Trainer. With him out of the picture they're meaningless enough to be removed entirely and have 0 priority.

I think Wolf's safe. After all, he was planned for Melee, but was replaced by Falco for looking to much like Fox at the time.

That is horrible reason. And for the sake of you not getting disappointed, I'd like you to reconsider. Being planned considered for Melee doesn't really mean anything. Pokemon Trainer was considered for Melee too. And Mewtwo was both added in Melee AND planned for Brawl.

 

[Morbi]

I feel like Wolf getting cut is inevitable. To be honest he is admittedly an expendable character, I don't mean to sound like one of those clone nazis, but I think from the view of Sakurai, a third character with Fox moves isn't THAT important won't be very high priority this time around. I think he was more of a fan demand character for Brawl and that his purpose has been fulfilled and thus might no longer be needed.

I pray that it's not the case. I love Wolf's move set an Wolf as a character. It'll be sad not having a Star Wolf character. But, priority wise I think he's really low on the list.

Honestly, I feel as though Wolf is safe. He was the originally intended Star Fox character from Melee, and currently he is the more unique candidate. There is no inherent reason to remove a Star Fox character. Nothing would suggest that a removal is necessary. I mean; Pokemon Trainer's cut was most likely due to balancing and his transformation ability (which they did away with). I don't think importance is one of the most important aspects in regards to cuts, if that was the case, we should be more worried about characters like Game and Watch.

Edit- The notion of Wolf being planned isn't relevant as to why he is safe; it is pertinent to refute his low priority in Brawl. It demonstrates that his intentions have changed over time, or if you want to go for the precedent angle one could easily assert that Wolf is a higher priority now because of his low priority in the past. Again, it is just my opinion, but I do think it has something to do with his inclusion in Smash 4. There is more familiarity to the character, it isn't as though he has just appeared in one iteration.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Honestly, I feel as though Wolf is safe. He was the originally intended Star Fox character from Melee, and currently he is the more unique candidate. There is no inherent reason to remove a Star Fox character. Nothing would suggest that a removal is necessary. I mean; Pokemon Trainer's cut was most likely due to balancing and his transformation ability (which they did away with). I don't think importance is one of the most important aspects in regards to cuts, if that was the case, we should be more worried about characters like Game and Watch.

What does being planned for Melee mean? Mewtwo was IN Melee and he was more unique than Wolf. Wolf really isn't that important and a third Star Fox character isn't really necessary. Nor is a third Fox Move character.

I thought people would learn from the last direct to not be so certain about things. Like the 2 most important Pokemon characters after Pikachu (Trainer & Mewtwo) being scrapped entirely for Greninja.

But Wolf is in no danger because he's unique and was CONSIDERED for Melee? What?