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Rebellious Treecko

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That's the Kirby franchise, one that Sakurai created with his bare hands. Nobody's getting replaced from the Kirby franchise!
Sakurai has a "reverse bias", (if that's even the right way to phrase it) so I don't think he would keep Kirby characters in simply because he created them.

They have no rational reasons to be cut, anyway.

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I believe that is one of the predominant reasons most clamor to demand that clone characters are removed; Toon Link's early reveal/inclusion would indicate that clone-status is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with whether or not the character is ultimately selected. However, no one wants to lose a unique move-set. That being said, Pokemon Trainer is our first confirmed cut (unless he just returns with Squirtle and Ivysaur for some reason, that would be the troll of the century). He had a unique move-set, he was arguably one of the most unique characters in the roster. I believe that development time is probably one of the more prominent aspects, thus Jigglypuff and Game and Watch are safe in my mind, along with "psudeo-clones" like Falco and Lucas. I expect Falco to return, but if Wolf was cut over Falco for some reason, I would be quite upset.
To be perfectly honest, I'm not worried about clones, or many of the other Brawl veterans (sans Snake, and maybe Ike), because even if they don't get finished in time for release, Sakurai has expressed favourable opinions on patches and DLC. While tons of characters will be requested as DLC, I feel like first and foremost, finishing characters who couldn't make it for release and making them DLC/part of an update would be a great idea, and I'm sure this will be the case for a handful of veterans.

Of course I won't get too optimistic about that considering Nintendo's warped/exaggerated "never release an unfinished game" policy, but the fact that Sakurai himself is not against the idea is a good thing.
 
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Falco needed Smash before he could get his own meme, pathetic! Peppy, Wolf, and Slippy are OLD SCHOOL, son!

Edit- I would have loved to see Slippy taking a more klutzy take on Fox's move-set to be honest, Falco's "aggressive" take is fairly redundant. It isn't like Fox wasn't aggressive. So they tried to make Falco flashy...
I don't even care about barrel roll and the memes, Peppy is the classic teacher/role model of the group and Slippy is the comical brainy one. Falco is... the cocky one. And usually, the most annoying, despite what everyone says about Slippy.

And yeah at this point Falco is mostly popular off of the back of Smash Bros and Melee. Very lame. Slippy and Peppy would've been much more unique than Falco, whose mainstay is laser stun and a reflector that he kicks out. Wow! :088:
 

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That's the Kirby franchise, one that Sakurai created with his bare hands. Nobody's getting replaced from the Kirby franchise!
Missing the point there, budd...

"Diddy Kong is old school, so it makes perfect sense to replace him with Candy Kong if he gets cut."

Him being confirmed aside, do you understand the analogy yet? There's nothing wrong with being "old school". Ice Climbers and Mr. Game & Watch show that being retro is not a detriment to their chances. It's a boost, if anything, on top of the fact that veterans should have priority over newcomers lest they isolate previous players of those characters.
(BUZZER) Wolf never appeared until StarFox 64
Also, this is technically wrong by the way. He first appeared in the Japan-only Star Fox 2 for the SNES.
 
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Well, don't quote me on this, but Meta Knight's highly criticized lately, but Sakurai would make him better since he's one of his own characters.
If he made Meta Knight better, it wouldn't be because Meta Knight is one of his own creations...

Sakurai doesn't want to show favoritism towards his own characters.

The importance of the Kirby characters in Subspace is one thing, but it hasn't been proven that it's due to favoritism, and that's a whole 'nother story, anyways)

Oh, and yeah, I hate how people use the word "outdated" like it's somehow bad, and "progress", like that's automatically good.

Anyhow, with Simon, throw in an Eggplant Wizard AT, and we will have pretty much the whole cast of that POS Captain N cartoon.
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I don't care about Captain N, (never watched the show, so I don't have opinion of it) but I really want an Eggplant Wizard AT. It'd be fun.

Castlevania content would be perfect for Smash, due to its history with Nintendo. Just don't replace Snake and I'm good.


Also, this is technically wrong by the way. He first appeared in the Japan-only Star Fox 2 for the SNES.
Wait. I thought that was never released...

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So I've only been here a short time, but it seems Simon Belmont isn't getting any love. I know it would be a long shot (like half the other characters people want). But it seems there are few others interested in him. Do I just like him cuz I'm old I wonder?

Anyhow, with Simon, throw in an Eggplant Wizard AT, and we will have pretty much the whole cast of that POS Captain N cartoon.
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Missing the point there, budd...

"Diddy Kong is old school, so it makes perfect sense to replace him with Candy Kong if he gets cut."

Him being confirmed aside, do you understand the analogy yet? There's nothing wrong with being "old school". Ice Climbers and Mr. Game & Watch show that being retro is not a detriment to their chances. It's a boost, if anything, on top of the fact that veterans should have priority over newcomers lest they isolate previous players of those characters.
Diddy Kong is far from old school! Let me put it to you this way: Falco and Wolf were completely absent during the whole story of StarFox Adventures except for the very end of the game, Krystal never missed a StarFox game ever since then. (And no, StarFox 64 3D doesn't count, because it's a REMAKE)
 

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Diddy Kong is far from old school! Let me put it to you this way: Falco and Wolf were completely absent during the whole story of StarFox Adventures except for the very end of the game, Krystal never missed a StarFox game ever since then. (And no, StarFox 64 3D doesn't count, because it's a REMAKE)
Why does being a remake automatically discount a game? I doubt Gerudo Valley would be a stage in Smash Bros if not for the remake of Ocarina of Time.
 

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Diddy Kong is far from old school! Let me put it to you this way: Falco and Wolf were completely absent during the whole story of StarFox Adventures except for the very end of the game, Krystal never missed a StarFox game ever since then. (And no, StarFox 64 3D doesn't count, because it's a REMAKE)
So because they weren't main characters in what is considered to be one of the most controversial games of the series, that suddenly makes Krystal more important than them? Yeah... No...

Falco has been in every single game of the series, not counting Melee and Brawl in this. 6 games + Star Fox 64 3D. Most recent appearance in Star Fox Command, 2006, if you don't count Star Fox 64 3D.
Wolf, not even counting his veteranship in Brawl, has appeared in Star Fox 2, Star Fox 64 (and 3D since you apparently don't count that as a separate game), Star Fox Assault, and Star Fox Command. 4 games + Star Fox 64 3D. Again, most recent appearance in Star Fox Command, 2006.
Krystal has appeared in Star Fox Adventures, Star Fox Assault, and Star Fox Command. 3 games. Most recent appearance? Star Fox Command, 2006, just like Falco and Wolf.

Either way you look at it, Falco and Wolf have been in more games than Krystal while still keeping up with her. They have had more opportunities to be major characters, in other words. And hell, if you're saying that we're basing this off of characters who have consistently appeared throughout the series, why not Slippy? He's literally been prominent in every game of the series, including as a character in the same game Krystal debuted in. He's never been absent since. He should be in instead Krystal if that's the road of logic we're going after.

Being "old school" means nothing, in other words, when your shining thesis for that argument is one game that came out over a decade ago. That is old school, my friend, not Falco and Wolf. So if you're going to say Krystal could easily replace Falco or Wolf in being able to represent an entire series, you're going to have to give a lot more than just say "She was important in Star Fox Adventures!".
 
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I am pretty confident that there will be a fully evolved grass starter pokemon.

Seems like Sakurai would feel horrible if he cut a grass and water starter while keeping Charizard.
 

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Why does being a remake automatically discount a game? I doubt Gerudo Valley would be a stage in Smash Bros if not for the remake of Ocarina of Time.
because it was a remake of a game before Krystal's game of origin, and as far as we know there is nothing in the game coming from StarFox 64 3D. Krystal has a very real chance of being playable, the odds are definitely in her favor.
 

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I...I want to believe, but...

Yeah, there's no type pattern...yet. We'll just have to wait and see.

I mean, I can see where people are coming from, though. Assuming Ivysaur and Squirtle get cut, people think there would be some standalone Pokemon to "replace" those types.

The fact that there was no grass Pokemon to accompany Greninja and Charizard goes against the theory.
Assuming there is a grass starter in the game, what reason would there be NOT to put it in the trailer?

And if there was a grass starter, Sakurai would just throw a curveball and put in something other than Sceptile.

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because it was a remake of a game before Krystal's game of origin, and as far as we know there is nothing in the game coming from StarFox 64 3D. Krystal has a very real chance of being playable, the odds are definitely in her favor.
As far as we know, there is nothing in the game coming from Star Fox Adventures, either.

Meaning we're either getting more Command content, which just as prominently features Wolf and Falco as it does Krystal, or Star Fox 64 3D content, for being the most recent Star Fox game. Nothing points to her chances of being playable as very real this time around.
 
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Well, take your pick.




Venusaur: Possible due to popularity, but Charizard already represents generation 1.
Meganium: Very unpopular starter, unlikely.
Sceptile: If there is a gen 3 remake in the works, possible. Actually works into a moveset alright, and is decently popular.
Torterra: Probably too awkward a body shape and not well known enough to be plausible.
Serperior: Its pre-evo is a Pokeball so I think this one's off the cards.
Chesnaught: Same problems as Venusaur, minus the popularity.

So I'd say Sceptile > Venusaur > Chesnaught > Torterra > Meganium = Serperior in terms of likelihood, although wouldn't be surprised if we just got Jiggs + Mewtwo for the last two Pokemon characters.
 
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I was bored and after hearing the whole 55 character theory I decided to build my own 55 character roster.
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-Assuming no cuts outside of Squirtle/Ivysaur and Snake.
-I'm adhering to the Sal leak and adding my own picks to that.
-Yes, I believe Mewtwo won't come back and I also believe that Ridley was pretty much deconfirmed.
-Mach Rider for Retro Rep
-Went with Vaati for 6th Zelda rep but I believe it could also be Tetra.
 

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As far as we know, there is nothing in the game coming from Star Fox Adventures, either.

Meaning we're either getting more Command content, which just as prominently features Wolf and Falco as it does Krystal, or Star Fox 64 3D content, for being the most recent Star Fox game. Nothing points to her chances of being playable as very real this time around.
Well, nobody from the StarFox franchise qualifies as safe from getting the bus ride, and just because we don't see it doesn't mean it's not there. I mean, Sakurai has hidden things before

For example, I predicted Sonic would be back with absolutely no doubt, but I also predicted a stage from the Sonic Adventure series, and no, we get a stage from Lost World!

And when I found out about the Mario Galaxy stage, I had no idea that Rosalina would be playable, but we get her as a week early CHRISTMAS PRESENT

As for the Alfonzo thing, I saw Toon Link driving the train in the E3 Trailer, but that Friday morning in September, I'm like "WHAT?!?!?!" because Toon Link was confirmed, leaving me confused for FOUR MONTHS about this whole driver-fighter thing until Sakurai demonstrated the significance of Alfonzo in the game.

The lack of news can be a good sign that Sakurai's planned out the surprise for later when people least expect it. No question, the odds are certainly in Krystal's favor
 

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Well, nobody from the StarFox franchise qualifies as safe from getting the bus ride, and just because we don't see it doesn't mean it's not there. I mean, Sakurai has hidden things before

For example, I predicted Sonic would be back with absolutely no doubt, but I also predicted a stage from the Sonic Adventure series, and no, we get a stage from Lost World!

And when I found out about the Mario Galaxy stage, I had no idea that Rosalina would be playable, but we get her as a week early CHRISTMAS PRESENT

As for the Alfonzo thing, I saw Toon Link driving the train in the E3 Trailer, but that Friday morning in September, I'm like "WHAT?!?!?!" because Toon Link was confirmed, leaving me confused for FOUR MONTHS about this whole driver-fighter thing until Sakurai demonstrated the significance of Alfonzo in the game.

The lack of news can be a good sign that Sakurai's planned out the surprise for later when people least expect it. No question, the odds are certainly in Krystal's favor
I don't agree with that sentiment, I believe that Fox is safe from the StarFox franchise; I apologize for this madness, it is what I truly believe.
 
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So how do you think Sakurai will tackle down K Rool's appearance in SSB4? Maybe the design we all know & love from DKC1?
 

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Well, nobody from the StarFox franchise qualifies as safe from getting the bus ride, and just because we don't see it doesn't mean it's not there. I mean, Sakurai has hidden things before

For example, I predicted Sonic would be back with absolutely no doubt, but I also predicted a stage from the Sonic Adventure series, and no, we get a stage from Lost World!

And when I found out about the Mario Galaxy stage, I had no idea that Rosalina would be playable, but we get her as a week early CHRISTMAS PRESENT

As for the Alfonzo thing, I saw Toon Link driving the train in the E3 Trailer, but that Friday morning in September, I'm like "WHAT?!?!?!" because Toon Link was confirmed, leaving me confused for FOUR MONTHS about this whole driver-fighter thing until Sakurai demonstrated the significance of Alfonzo in the game.

The lack of news can be a good sign that Sakurai's planned out the surprise for later when people least expect it. No question, the odds are certainly in Krystal's favor
So because you couldn't predict several completely unrelated things in Smash Bros., that makes the odds of Krystal getting in much higher...? Did I read that right...? I don't follow this... At all...

I for one predicted Sonic would have a stage from Lost World on part of it being the newest Sonic game at the time. And so we got it. I likewise thought that Conductor Link having both a different outfit and a different artstyle from what playable Toon Link would have looked like would have made it seem reasonable that we could get Conductor Link on a stage while Toon Link is playable, in style of 75m Donkey Kong alongside regular Donkey Kong. My point is that this is such a subjective and baseless point that doesn't explain what the **** it has to do with the idea of Krystal replacing Falco or Wolf.

The other irony in what you're saying is that because we don't know how to predict Sakurai, we can predict that he'll add Krystal. By not knowing how to predict him, it's easier to predict Krystal getting in. Let that sink in for a moment until you realize where the fallacy is in that.

Krystal isn't replacing Falco or Wolf if we get her at all.
 
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I'm still counting on Dixie Kong over K Rool, but probably what he was in DKC1 or Mario Super Sluggers
Oh god, I hope he doesn't use his Super Sluggers outfit...seriously, what were they thinking when they came up with that?
 

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3 I think almost everyone shown will be starters
That seems rather unbelievable for certain contenders. Even if the trailers are available right off the bat, certain characters may still get the unlockable treatment. Rosalina is one example who's more meant to be an unlockable.

4 your saying none of the newcomers are going to be starters
Villager and Wii Fit Trainer would be the starting newcomers, if you've missed them.

6 bowser jr ?????? Dude we have way to many mario reps I think 5 is enough (excluding yoshi and wario due to coming from they're own games)
And yet Pokemon can get away with having six playable contenders, as shown in Brawl. A very irrelevant excuse at this point.
 

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If so many people think six or even seven Pokemon reps are likely, Mario can get one more newcomer, and it'd most likely be in the form of Bowser Jr.

Is it for sure gonna happen? I don't really think so, but 6 Mario characters is certainly plausible.
 

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The idea of Sheik, ZSS, and the Pokemon being counted as "characters"in Brawl/Melee is still up to debate in my eyes.

To me, they're all but full-fledged characters. They have their own trophies for the 1P modes.
In Project M, they're independent, but not in normal Brawl.

If you count characters as only being independent and separate, then Pokemon only has four characters in Brawl.

If so many people think six or even seven Pokemon reps are likely, Mario can get one more newcomer, and it'd most likely be in the form of Bowser Jr.

Is it for sure gonna happen? I don't really think so, but 6 Mario characters is certainly plausible.
I hope there's 6.
I'd prefer Toad, honestly, but I lost hope for him back in November and December. ;_;

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Here is my roster! Thoughts? (and yes I forgot jigglypuff, just pretend she is under charrizard)
 

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Here is my roster! Thoughts? (and yes I forgot jigglypuff, just pretend she is under charrizard)
I'd definitely replace Chrom with Ike and replace Krystal with Snake.
I also think that you should add Ridley and have a 6th Zelda character, preferably Vaati. Should probably also cut Alph.
Other than that, I think it's fine.
 
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If so many people think six or even seven Pokemon reps are likely, Mario can get one more newcomer, and it'd most likely be in the form of Bowser Jr.

Is it for sure gonna happen? I don't really think so, but 6 Mario characters is certainly plausible.
Yeah I agree with this.

Honestly, why are people so adamantly dismissive of a potential 6th Mario character yet can perfectly see a 6th Pokemon character (or even 7 by some) anyway? It's just like pre-Rosalina where everyone believed in 5 Pokemon characters in the roster but where very dismissive on the idea of 5 for Mario, until Rosalina came along....

Honestly, if Pokemon where to get 6 characters, I can certainly see Mario getting 6 as well. :/
 
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If so many people think six or even seven Pokemon reps are likely, Mario can get one more newcomer, and it'd most likely be in the form of Bowser Jr.

Is it for sure gonna happen? I don't really think so, but 6 Mario characters is certainly plausible.
Woah, Woah! 7?! I think that's a little bit overkill there.
However, I've changed my stance on a 6th Mario character in recent times. It's certainly plausible, like you said. However, 7 Pokemon is not.
 
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