Character Discussion Thread

[Kenith]

I know. Just...building upon it. I hope that's fine...

Oh, I thought that concept had already been presented to the discussion.

Never mind.

 

[Substitution]

They're clones.

isn't other m ridley a clone?

Um...no, they're not.

I mean, conceptually, yes, it's an excuse to re-use the character, but as far as story goes, no, they are not.
http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Ridley

Fine, maybe I'm wrong.
But let me get this straight, so it's okay that we can get two different Ridleys on Pyrosphere, because they're clones?
I don't get it.

But, if we we're to get any Ridley, I want chicken Ridley.

Clearly the fiercest of the Ridley clan.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

You guys can believe what you want, but I will not be surprised if he is a Boss Fight character.

People made the same argument for Brawl. That didn't happen. I admire you guys for your hope, but I simply don't agree.

 

[Kenith]

Fine, maybe I'm wrong.
But let me get this straight, so it's okay that we can get two different Ridleys on Pyrosphere, because they're clones?
I don't get it.

If this can happen, I don't see why not.

 

[?????????????]

Fine, maybe I'm wrong.
But let me get this straight, so it's okay that we can get two different Ridleys on Pyrosphere, because they're clones?

I don't see the problem. Samus can fight Zero Suit Samus. Zelda can fight Sheik. Link can fight Toon Link.

In Melee, Bowser can fight Giga Bowser.

In every SSB, up to four of the exact same character can fight eachother.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Just put in a Ridley that looks like this...Super Metroid Ridley with some Other M aesthetics.

The only Metroid character purely from Other M that's playable is regular Samus anyways.

 

[?????????????]

You guys can believe what you want, but I will not be surprised if he is a Boss Fight character.

People made the same argument for Brawl. That didn't happen. I admire you guys for your hope, but I simply don't agree.

No one will be surprised if he is a Boss character. The question is...is he more than that? Because that, we do not yet know.

 

[Substitution]

If this can happen, I don't see why not.

But once again.
When Toon Link joins the battle, Alfonzo takes over.

What you're telling me is we can have two Ridleys (one a character and another a boss) because "They're clones."
And that's somehow logical?

I don't see the problem. Samus can fight Zero Suit Samus. Zelda can fight Sheik. Link can fight Toon Link.

In Melee, Bowser can fight Giga Bowser.

In every SSB, up to four of the exact same character can fight eachother.

They're characters. It would be idiotic to kill the ability to play the same character.
We're talking character to stage hazard.

Look, you can say whatever you want, but I still think Ridley's gone (unless we get chicken Ridley, which I would accept with loving arms).

 

[Kenith]

You guys can believe what you want, but I will not be surprised if he is a Boss Fight character.

People made the same argument for Brawl. That didn't happen. I admire you guys for your hope, but I simply don't agree.

Now, see, where I get confused is whether or not people are saying he's not a boss character or he's both.

I vote for both, as it's very obvious Other M Ridley is on Pyrosphere. But, since there seems to be emphasis on that Ridley being a clone, I wonder if perhaps a generalized version is playable...

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Just put in a Ridley that looks like this...Super Metroid Ridley with some Other M aesthetics.

The only Metroid character purely from Other M that's playable is regular Samus anyways.

That's...exactly what I wanted to see. Thank you, sir. Though I suggest changing the eyes to orange-yellow, and making them empty. Those cat eyes aren't doing it for me.

 

[?????????????]

They're characters. It would be idiotic to kill the ability to play the same character.

Most fighting games do it.

 

[Substitution]

Most fighting games do it.

I know.
That's why I said it would be stupid if you could only pick different characters and not the same.

 

[Starcutter]

and .

I think that covers everything.

 

[?????????????]

I know.
That's why I said it would be stupid if you could only pick different characters and not the same.

Most fighting games do not let players pick the same character.

If I'm playing Soul Calibur, and I pick Cervantes, and my buddy wanted to be Cervantes, tough luck. SSB is one of the few I've played that actually allows this.

 

[BlindFox]

At this point, concidering Sakurai's "trollness" everything is possible. I can't be the only one that is expecting another WTF!? character..

 

[Curious Villager]

In regards to the whole Ridley and Toon Link thing. I don't know too much about Ridley but according to you guys, Other M Ridley is a clone whereas the other is a different entity. Wind Waker Link and Spirit Tracks Link are different people too but yet Sakurai felt compelled to replace Conductor Link with another substitute (Alfonzo) whenever Toon Link is put into play. So in a sense, there could have been just as much reason for both Toon Link's to be together as the two Ridley's and yet that didn't happen.

So as someone who isn't too knowledgeable in the Metroid series I have to ask this. Does Ridley have a substitute that can work more or less the same way to take over for him whenever he is being played as in that stage?

 

[?????????????]

In regards to the whole Ridley and Toon Link thing. I don't know too much about Ridley but according to you guys, Other M Ridley is a clone whereas the other is a different entity. Wind Waker Link and Spirit Tracks Link are different people too but yet Sakurai felt compelled to replace Conductor Link with another substitute (Alfonzo) whenever Toon Link is put into play. So in a sense, there could have been just as much reason for both Toon Link's to be together as the two Ridley's and yet that didn't happen.

So as someone who isn't too knowledgeable in the Metroid series I have to ask this. Does Ridley have a substitute that can work more or less the same way to take over for him whenever he is being played as in that stage?

 

[TumblrFamous]

I'm just keeping him on my roster because I have no idea what Sakurai's planning. If I see him as a boss, then fine, he's out. I just don't want to regret taking him off and seeing him playable. My expectations are low, but I still think he's not out yet.

 

[Kenith]

In regards to the whole Ridley and Toon Link thing. I don't know too much about Ridley but according to you guys, Other M Ridley is a clone whereas the other is a different entity. Wind Waker Link and Spirit Tracks Link are different people too but yet Sakurai felt compelled to replace Conductor Link with another substitute (Alfonzo) whenever Toon Link is put into play. So in a sense, there could have been just as much reason for both Toon Link's to be together as the two Ridley's and yet that didn't happen.

So as someone who isn't too knowledgeable in the Metroid series I have to ask this. Does Ridley have a substitute that can work more or less the same way to take over for him whenever he is being played as in that stage?

How I see it, Other M Ridley is clearly a stage hazard. Meta Ridley could very easily take his place when you use whatever the playable Ridley could look like.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

Just curious.
Has anyone made the "Well it might be Meta Ridley and not Ridley because they're two separate entities or something like that." argument yet?
Just wondering how far the hand has been stretched.

It's possible.

 

[Substitution]

Most fighting games do not let players pick the same character.

If I'm playing Soul Calibur, and I pick Cervantes, and my buddy wanted to be Cervantes, tough luck. SSB is one of the few I've played that actually allows this.

Really, isn't that why Palette Swaps exist?
Weird.

 

[Starcutter]

In regards to the whole Ridley and Toon Link thing. I don't know too much about Ridley but according to you guys, Other M Ridley is a clone whereas the other is a different entity. Wind Waker Link and Spirit Tracks Link are different people too but yet Sakurai felt compelled to replace Conductor Link with another substitute (Alfonzo) whenever Toon Link is put into play. So in a sense, there could have been just as much reason for both Toon Link's to be together as the two Ridley's and yet that didn't happen.

So as someone who isn't too knowledgeable in the Metroid series I have to ask this. Does Ridley have a substitute that can work more or less the same way to take over for him whenever he is being played as in that stage?

I think there's like some lava snake that's in the area right before it.

 

[?????????????]

I think there's like some lava snake that's in the area right before it.

If you really wanted to get technical...it's still possible Vorash (the lava snake) is the actual boss of Pyrosphere in SSB4, and Ridley is playable.

I kinda doubt that, but...technically, Sakurai has not said anything about Ridley being the boss of Pyrosphere.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I'm just keeping him on my roster because I have no idea what Sakurai's planning. If I see him as a boss, then fine, he's out. I just don't want to regret taking him off and seeing him playable. My expectations are low, but I still think he's not out yet.

Strangely enough, Sakurai likes to keep our expectations low before they're revealed...like Toon Link for example.

 

[Kenith]

Most fighting games do not let players pick the same character.

If I'm playing Soul Calibur, and I pick Cervantes, and my buddy wanted to be Cervantes, tough luck. SSB is one of the few I've played that actually allows this.

...Um, that's not true. Like, at all.

 

[Substitution]

...Um, that's not true. Like, at all.

It isn't?

...I'm confused.

 

[?????????????]

...Um, that's not true. Like, at all.

That's my experience. Maybe it's just the fighting games I've played? Or am I wrong about Soul Calibur? Cause I have it. And play it quite a bit.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

The problem I have with a separate Ridley to take over when he is playable on Pyrosphere, is that it wouldn't make any sense for a different form to show up. Especially considering the distaste of the Prime series by Team Ninja, I can't see Meta Ridley showing up in a place that he wouldn't fit.

Toon Link and Alfonzo is different for obvious reasons. Link and Toon Link are a special case by Sakurai as far as having two versions because he wants them.

Zero Suit and Sheik, while being the same as the origin character, are still in a similar art style to the other(s) in their series. They're playable characters, not a stage hazard.

@ ????????????? Mortal Kombat and I think Killer Instinct allow the players to play as the same characters. I know MK does, not as sure about KI.

 

[Kenith]

That's my experience. Maybe it's just the fighting games I've played? Or am I wrong about Soul Calibur? Cause I have it. And play it quite a bit.

I don't recall ever playing a fighting game where two players couldn't pick the same character.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I don't recall ever playing a fighting game where two players couldn't pick the same character.

It's true, as a player of Soul Calibur IV and V, you can indeed not pick the same character as your opponent, the only one you can pick twice are custom characters. Just like in Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, you can't pick the same character twice...which sucks because I'd totally love to decimate people with a full team of Felicias, she helped me get to the top rank before I left the online scene for the game.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

Here Is my update Wish Roster.

Newcomers:

Little Mac
Mega-Man
Isaac
Shulk
Lucina
Greninja
Waddle Dee
King K. Rool
Ridley
Palutena
Sceptile
Wii Fit Trainer
The Villager
Takamaru
Dixie Kong
Rosalina & Luma
Ghiraham
Pac-Man

 

[?????????????]

I don't recall ever playing a fighting game where two players couldn't pick the same character.

I'm just briefly looking into this now. I know you can't in Soul Calibur, I don't know if that bleeds into other Namco fighters like Tekken or not, I know Street Fighter II does not allow players to be the same character, don't know about more recent Street Fighter games. What fighting games do allow it?

 

[Kenith]

The problem I have with a separate Ridley to take over when he is playable on Pyrosphere, is that it wouldn't make any sense for a different form to show up. Especially considering the distaste of the Prime series by Team Ninja, I can't see Meta Ridley showing up in a place that he wouldn't fit.

Does Team Ninja not like the Prime series? If so, how's that going to stop Sakurai from putting Meta Ridley on the stage anyway, should he decide to do so? It's his team's game.

Toon Link and Alfonzo is different for obvious reasons. Link and Toon Link are a special case by Sakurai as far as having two versions because he wants them.

Zero Suit and Sheik, while being the same as the origin character, are still in a similar art style to the other(s) in their series. They're playable characters, not a stage hazard.[/quote]

I don't really understand your point, here.

 

[The Nerd]

I'm going to throw this out there as devil's advocate, but the bosses we have seen thus far are on the Wii U; perhaps a 5th player can use the gamepad to take control of the stage bosses? In this sense we get a 'playable' Ridley, but not at all in the format that we want. It also might be related to how the 3DS and Wii U connect; perhaps you can control bosses from one in the other? Either way this premise sidesteps all the anti-Ridley arguments I've heard, makes bosses like Master Hand potentially playable to some degree, and will excite anyone that isn't in the hardcore smashing community. It explains what some people are calling Ridley's "Human" movement in that shot. Every other Wii U game has had some stupid gimmick with that gamepad, and this seems like a logical one for Smash. Perhaps they just control the stage in general? Boss characters, hazards, etc etc. Could be interesting. Thoughts? I'm not sure if this is the right place to put this, but the premise did spawn from whether or not Ridley is playable.

 

[Hotfeet444]

The problem I have with a separate Ridley to take over when he is playable on Pyrosphere, is that it wouldn't make any sense for a different form to show up. Especially considering the distaste of the Prime series by Team Ninja, I can't see Meta Ridley showing up in a place that he wouldn't fit.

Toon Link and Alfonzo is different for obvious reasons. Link and Toon Link are a special case by Sakurai as far as having two versions because he wants them.

That's why we said there could be two different Ridleys on screen at the same time, and be honest, you totally want to see Ridley destroy his clone like Godzilla destroyed Zilla. And as for Toon Link, we have confirmation that Alfonzo has been on stage with no Toon Link in play, which probably leads to the fact that it's probably indeed possible to have both Toon Links on screen at the same time.

Not to mention Dark Samus is already in the game and she's from the Metroid Prime series. Wait, no, scratch that, she IS Metroid Prime.

 

[Starcutter]

Just put mystery creature in then as a hazard. It's still Ridley except it isn't.

 

[TumblrFamous]

So... who's Final Smash do you guys think has changed?

I'm totally not trying to get away from the Ridley discussion... but can't we just wait and see what happens?

 

[Miffa]

So... who's Final Smash do you guys think has changed?

I'm totally not trying to get away from the Ridley discussion... but can't we just wait and see what happens?

Im hoping peach that one was bad.

 

[?????????????]

So... who's Final Smash do you guys think has changed?

I'm totally not trying to get away from the Ridley discussion... but can't we just wait and see what happens?

Sheik and Zero Suit Samus, I hope?

 

[Headcrab Jackalope]

Ok, Meloetta for smash! *trollface*

Would be okay with this. After all, Meloetta>>>>Mewtwo.

 

[Kenith]

So... who's Final Smash do you guys think has changed?
I'm totally not trying to get away from the Ridley discussion... but can't we just wait and see what happens?

Yeah, I think it's best to just leave it to ourselves, our discussion on it isn't really conclusive.

I think Luigi's Final Smash is changed.