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You mean the leak that listed three of the most predicted characters for the direct only a few hours before it happened? It seems so obviously fake that I don't see why anyone would take it seriously. I mean come on, "X/Y Pokemon"? If it actually said Greninja, then I'd probably even believe it. But no. They listed a bunch of likely characters right before a direct so that if any of them got revealed, everyone would believe their little "leak". Of course, they had to play it safe with Pokemon because they didn't know which one would make it in.
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I don't get that logic. "Because it had characters that many thought would get in, IT'S FAKE!" How does that make ANY sense? Are you expecting somebody to make a leak consisting off all off the wall characters? That would make even less sense.

Palutena, Shulk, and Chrom are not the problem. It's the Chorus Men. The "X/Y Pokemon" isn't particular, but it still was correct. We don't know the circumstances behind the leak, but to say that makes it fake is bull****.

The only way that leak will be shown false is if any of the characters listed are NOT playable. That's literally the only way it can be debunked at this point.

That was also added onto the original E3 leak...you know, the one that "predicted" Wii Fit Trainer? A character that essentially NOBODY would have predicted? Yeah. Totally an obvious fake.

You can't just label it fake.
 
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TumblrFamous said:
Personally, I want to know more about Greninja and Charizard next week. Thursday and Friday were self-explanatory pics (understandable), but I want to learn more about these two Pokemon. Maybe it'll shed some light on the whole Squirtle-Ivysaur situation.

And maybe we're going for diverse types on the roster! Electric, Fire-Flying, Water-Dark, Fighting-Steel. All we need now is a Psychic and Normal type and we're good to go. (Don't say Girafarig...)
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Ok, Meloetta for smash! *trollface*
 
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Scoliosis Jones said:
They still fit into a pattern of sorts. If you can call it that.

It makes sense for Charizard to come back on his own. I think the backlash for him being cut from Smash, but the other two staying would be huge compared to the opposite. There are likely far fewer people who are upset with the other two leaving than there would be from Charizard getting cut.
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Yes, let's all ignore the ones who mained them. Not like they matter.
Mind you,

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Not that it means anything, but Sakurai talked about ZSS and Sheik as he revealed them. Yet, there was nothing said about Pokemon Trainer or what became of his transformation. He didn't even hint at anything in the trailer.
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Now that the transformation thing is out of the picture, maybe they're three separate characters.
Or, Pokemon Trainer hasn't been revealed yet because they wanted to focus more on Charizard.

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We can't definitely say either or at this point I suppose, but I'm going to stick to my thinking here. We've seen two added (2nd Gen, and 1st Gen) we saw two cut and 4 added (3 first gen, 1 fourth gen) and now we're in Smash 4, with 1 sixth gen, with the other possible newcomer slot untouched. It's highly possible that that pattern may continue with this game, and we might get Mewtwo again.
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I'll say this.
The only way I see them cut is time constraints. And until I see them gone, I will say otherwise.

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That said, I still find it hard to believe...I mean this is going to sound REAL stupid. But picture the character select screen, whichever method of organization (horizontal or vertical)...just picture Pokemon having 7 characters in their own row. That's nuts. Not saying it can't happen, but that's a lot of characters. It's hard to explain, but it just seems crazy to me.
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Well, it's not like we can't batch them up, most likely under the name of "Kanto Starters".

Hotfeet444 said:
Good morning all, I've finally made a new roster! :p

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47 Character Roster, 3 character cuts, 11 newcomers.
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If I could ask, where's Ice Climbers?

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They did? Hmm, I guess I don't remember that.
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Yep. With the little picture and everything.
 
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Hotfeet444 said:
Good morning all, I've finally made a new roster! :p

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Very nice! I really can't say anything about it. Over the last two Pokemon, I'd choose Mewtwo over Jigglypuff any day. But I still have a feeling we'll see those six together. If not, you're right in that Jiggz should be the first to go. Other than that, no complaints!

Oh...Ice Climbers...
 
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Man @ Hotfeet444 Hotfeet444 , I didn't even realize the lack of Chrom and Ice Climbers.
Ridley over those two? Really?
I love Ridley, really I do, but I just don't see him happening anymore.
 
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Hotfeet444 said:
Good morning all, I've finally made a new roster! :p

47 Character Roster, 3 character cuts, 11 newcomers.
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3 character cuts...Jigglypuff, Ice Climbers, and Pokemon Trainer? Is that right?

I'm not so sure about Jiggs and Climbers. With Climbers, I'm never sure of cutting characters that are representing their own franchise. With Jigglypuff, well...I get the whole Mewtwo thing, believe me, but we have already seen Jigglypuff outprioriize Mewtwo before, so that's why I'm meeting it with uncertainty.

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Man Hotfeet, I didn't even realize the lack of Chrom and Ice Climbers.
Ridley over those two? Really?
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Ridley over Chrom is reasonable.
 
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Louie G. said:
I really want Ridley in the game, but it's looking grim for the guy.
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When it comes to roster creation, that makes no difference. Roster creation is about what you would like to see, not what "chances are." As chances stand right now, that certainly eludes to a Ridley boss, but it doesn't factor two things:

1.) It's a joke. Ridley has yet to be even seen, or named. A kinda doubt this, but it's legitimate for someone to take this technicality.
2.) Multiple forms of Ridley appear in the game; one as a boss, one as playable. Entirely possible, in my opinion, given what we've seen with other characters in "grim" situations.
 
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Louie G. said:
Not taking this into account.

I really want Ridley in the game, but it's looking grim for the guy.
It COULD be something else, but until I see it I've lost hope.
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I've seen a handful of arguments to say he's still in, but none of them are convincing.

If it's the Final Destination version (which is isn't) why is there an Orange Glow from the lava beneath in the top left corner of that picture? There isn't any lava in the Final Destination version from what we've seen.

Ridley's shadow is HALF THE FREAKING STAGE.

I'm telling you, they're NOT going to break the consistent design of a series like some believe. That stage hazard is Other M Ridley. His tail is seen in the clip, and it is clearly Other M Ridley. They're not going to put a different Ridley design on an Other M stage. Get that idea right out of your heads.

To continue on that point...if Samus and Zero Suit Samus have Other M designs...why would they have Super Metroid Ridley as a playable character? It completely clashes with the design. Clearly, the other series in the game are keeping consistent design. Example? Zelda. They don't have an Ocarina of Time design on Sheik, and they won't make Ganondorf his Ocarina of Time design if the rest of Zelda cast has a Twilight Princess design. They haven't done that in the past Smash games, and they probably aren't going to make it a special case for Ridley.

It's really not that complicated.
 
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I don't see the problem in keeping hope for Ridley...especially when we take a look at the representation of each of the main eight franchises. Let me explain:

Super Mario Bros: The heroes, the damsel in distress, Gaming's most famous villain, and a Cosmic Deity

Legend of Zelda: The three parts of the Triforce, some with multiple versions

Kirby: The main three characters of the franchise

Starfox: The main hero, the partner, and the rival, solid representation

Kid Icarus: Has the hero, and will most likely have the Goddess of Light

Donkey Kong: Has the main heroes, will most likely also have the main villain

Pokemon: Speculated to have five of the world's most famous and popular pokemon...and Jigglypuff

Metroid: TWO SAMUS'! ...................What?
 
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Scoliosis Jones said:
I've seen a handful of arguments to say he's still in, but none of them are convincing.

If it's the Final Destination version (which is isn't) why is there an Orange Glow from the lava beneath in the top left corner of that picture? There isn't any lava in the Final Destination version from what we've seen.

Ridley's shadow is HALF THE FREAKING STAGE.

I'm telling you, they're NOT going to break the consistent design of a series like some believe. That stage hazard is Other M Ridley. His tail is seen in the clip, and it is clearly Other M Ridley. They're not going to put a different Ridley design on an Other M stage. Get that idea right out of your heads.

To continue on that point...if Samus and Zero Suit Samus have Other M designs...why would they have Super Metroid Ridley as a playable character? It completely clashes with the design. Clearly, the other series in the game are keeping consistent design. Example? Zelda. They don't have an Ocarina of Time design on Sheik, and they won't make Ganondorf his Ocarina of Time design if the rest of Zelda cast has a Twilight Princess design. They haven't done that in the past Smash games, and they probably aren't going to make it a special case for Ridley.

It's really not that complicated.
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I know this isn't the thread for this, but I don't like your pessimistic attitude on this topic. You're so optimistic about Snake, even though his creator actually said he's unsure about his return in SSB. We haven't even heard Ridley's name mentioned yet. Both are in situations that many would call unfavorable. How can you treat one so differently from the other?
 
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Scoliosis Jones said:
I've seen a handful of arguments to say he's still in, but none of them are convincing.

If it's the Final Destination version (which is isn't) why is there an Orange Glow from the lava beneath in the top left corner of that picture? There isn't any lava in the Final Destination version from what we've seen.

Ridley's shadow is HALF THE FREAKING STAGE.

I'm telling you, they're NOT going to break the consistent design of a series like some believe. That stage hazard is Other M Ridley. His tail is seen in the clip, and it is clearly Other M Ridley. They're not going to put a different Ridley design on an Other M stage. Get that idea right out of your heads.

To continue on that point...if Samus and Zero Suit Samus have Other M designs...why would they have Super Metroid Ridley as a playable character? It completely clashes with the design. Clearly, the other series in the game are keeping consistent design. Example? Zelda. They don't have an Ocarina of Time design on Sheik, and they won't make Ganondorf his Ocarina of Time design if the rest of Zelda cast has a Twilight Princess design. They haven't done that in the past Smash games, and they probably aren't going to make it a special case for Ridley.

It's really not that complicated.
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Just curious.
Has anyone made the "Well it might be Meta Ridley and not Ridley because they're two separate entities or something like that." argument yet?
Just wondering how far the hand has been stretched.
 
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Hotfeet444 said:
I don't see the problem in keeping hope for Ridley...especially when we take a look at the representation of each of the main eight franchises. Let me explain:

Super Mario Bros: The heroes, the damsel in distress, Gaming's most famous villain, and a Cosmic Deity

Legend of Zelda: The three parts of the Triforce, some with multiple versions

Kirby: The main three characters of the franchise

Starfox: The main hero, the partner, and the rival, solid representation

Kid Icarus: Has the hero, and will most likely have the Goddess of Light

Donkey Kong: Has the main heroes, will most likely also have the main villain

Pokemon: Speculated to have five of the world's most famous and popular pokemon...and Jigglypuff

Metroid: TWO SAMUS'! ...................What?
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I see what you're getting at, but you have to look at what Sakurai has done in the Direct with Ridley.

In a section of the Direct that held context to Boss Fight characters in a similar vein to Yellow Devil, Ridley was hinted at. It's the Other M Ridley, on Pyrosphere. It all makes sense for him to be a Boss Fight character. I wanted him playable too, but it makes complete sense.
 
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Scoliosis Jones said:
To continue on that point...if Samus and Zero Suit Samus have Other M designs...why would they have Super Metroid Ridley as a playable character? It completely clashes with the design. Clearly, the other series in the game are keeping consistent design. Example? Zelda. They don't have an Ocarina of Time design on Sheik, and they won't make Ganondorf his Ocarina of Time design if the rest of Zelda cast has a Twilight Princess design. They haven't done that in the past Smash games, and they probably aren't going to make it a special case for Ridley.
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Firstly, of course they're not going to use the Super Metroid design, it's ugly and outdated.

Second, ZSS doesn't use the Other M design. It's completely original, taking cues from Zero Mission, Prime 3, and Other M, with elements of it's own.

If Ridley gets in, I guarantee that it is an original design. One specifically designed for Smash Bros, so it doesn't have to be rescaled, and it contains all of Ridley's most recognizable traits while allowing some artistic freedom to make him fit in as a fighter.
 
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MisterVideoGaming said:
Just curious.
Has anyone made the "Well it might be Meta Ridley and not Ridley because they're two separate entities or something like that." argument yet?
Just wondering how far the hand has been stretched.
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Not meta Ridley because it's Other Ridley, but still it's possible.

Because Alfonzo.
 
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MisterVideoGaming said:
Just curious.
Has anyone made the "Well it might be Meta Ridley and not Ridley because they're two separate entities or something like that." argument yet?
Just wondering how far the hand has been stretched.
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Yes, that argument has been made. But it's not. You can clearly tell it's Other M Ridley.
pizzadudemanguy said:
I know this isn't the thread for this, but I don't like your pessimistic attitude on this topic. You're so optimistic about Snake, even though his creator actually said he's unsure about his return in SSB. We haven't even heard Ridley's name mentioned yet. Both are in situations that many would call unfavorable. How can you treat one so differently from the other?
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At this point, I have accepted the possibility of Snake not coming back. However, Hideo Kojima of all people, with a smirk on his face, says he thinks Snake is unlikely.

Ridley, on the other hand, was clearly hinted at in a section that detailed Boss Fights. That is the context of the "trolling". I want Ridley to be in, but I'm looking at it as a very realistic outcome that Ridley is a Boss Fight character on Pyrosphere.
 
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Not meta Ridley because it's Other Ridley, but still it's possible.

Because Alfonzo.
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But Alfonzo and Toon Link are two separate entities.
It doesn't matter if you use Prime Ridley, nor Meta Ridley, nor Other M Ridey, they're the same Ridley.

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Yes, that argument has been made. But it's not. You can clearly tell it's Other M Ridley.
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I was just using Meta Ridley as an example.
But the point still stands, we've gotten desperate on why Ridley's still getting in.
 
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Scoliosis Jones said:
I see what you're getting at, but you have to look at what Sakurai has done in the Direct with Ridley.

In a section of the Direct that held context to Boss Fight characters in a similar vein to Yellow Devil, Ridley was hinted at. It's the Other M Ridley, on Pyrosphere. It all makes sense for him to be a Boss Fight character. I wanted him playable too, but it makes complete sense.
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Considering the Zero Suit Samus in the game is indeed a hybrid design (Her design is basically Zero Mission Zamus with the decals of Other M, it doesn't have built-in heels like Other M's design, and the way Samus wears her hair and Gun design is almost exactly identical to the way it was in Brawl, which is designed off of Zero Mission) If we have a Zamus mostly designed after Zero Mission...I don't see why we can't have a Ridley made mostly off of Super Metroid with a few Other M aesthetics.
 
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