Character Discussion Thread

[AEMehr]

Haha I figured that. Still, what do you think on what I posted? I was expecting more responses :/

Well with the reveal of Greninja, the roster may be a bit more different than most of us had initially thought.
Although, this is primarily based on what a character brings gameplay-wise. Sure Krystal has a staff, but how can that staff make her very different in comparison to other characters?

I don't know if this have been already posted here, but anyway.

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I can't stop laughing. xD

Sorry.

No this is the best one
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But we should stop before everyone gets infractions and the topic is locked.

EDIT: URK- I spoke too soon.

 

[N3ON]

Please don't post memes and/or less-than-topical images/gifs/videos. Content liable to derail the thread will likely be met with warnings/infractions.

 

[Deleted member]

Although it'd probably never happen because Rareware is no longer with Nintendo, I'd like to see their characters appear as an Easter Egg

But back to the topic at hand!

Kinda wish more Star Fox content got revealed so we can know more of the character's fates (I betcha Falco will return)

 

[Hotfeet444]

You want an on-topic gif? Fine then...

Don't count Mewtwo out yet...if anything his position in chances hasn't even budged.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Thing with Lucas is that he was basically added to represent the new Mother game, but now it's not so new anymore, so he's not needed as much, and he's not like Lucario who continued to stay relevant and popular. It wouldn't be so bad if he represented other things about the Mother series on his own, but he basically just represents everything that Ness already does, the silent main protagonist, he doesn't even differentiate himself from Ness that much in moveset either. Out of all of the characters from Brawl Lucas seems like one of the more unnecessary additions for this game, thus makes me think he's one of the more likely cuts. This of course is ignoring the fact that Mother in itself is a small and obscure series.

 

[BlindFox]

I'd say that Falco is a Fan favourite for quite a lot of people, and personally I'd be really disappointed if he doesn't make it to the roster. They havn't talked much about Star Fox and F-Zero, they have to announce something sooner or later.

 

[AEMehr]

Please don't post memes and/or less-than-topical images/gifs/videos. Content liable to derail the thread will likely be met with warnings/infractions.

Y-yes your honor.

 

[FlareHabanero]

You want an on-topic gif? Fine then...

Don't count Mewtwo out yet...if anything his position in chances hasn't even budged.

Just get in Mewtwo so people stop treating Greninja and Lucario like the're the 4 Horsemen of The Apocalypse.

Seriously, the only Pokemon I like in Super Smash Bros. shouldn't be treated this way and I'm so sick of it.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Just get in Mewtwo so people stop treating Greninja and Lucario like the're the 4 Horsemen of The Apocalypse.

Seriously, the only Pokemon I like in Super Smash Bros. shouldn't be treated this way and I'm so sick of it.

People of today will literally do anything and everything to deny Mewtwo, I don't even think half the people here realize Greninja and Lucario have never effected Mewtwo whatsoever. And hey, you know what? I'm so sick & tired of getting "Exposed" comments in my inbox, but I've gotta live with it, so suck it up and it'll be over before you know it.

 

[Joe D.]

You know, @ Hotfeet444 , we were just having a discussion on Krystal, and I really wanted to hear your stand on her possible inclusion, and chances. I figured id ask a famous YouTuber

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Thing with Lucas is that he was basically added to represent the new Mother game, but now it's not so new anymore, so he's not needed as much, and he's not like Lucario who continued to stay relevant and popular. It wouldn't be so bad if he represented other things about the Mother series on his own, but he basically just represents everything that Ness already does, the silent main protagonist, he doesn't even differentiate himself from Ness that much in moveset either. Out of all of the characters from Brawl Lucas seems like one of the more unnecessary additions for this game, thus makes me think he's one of the more likely cuts. This of course is ignoring the fact that Mother in itself is a small and obscure series.

Lucas still represents a side of the Mother franchise that Ness doesn't.

And a lot of the arguments you made about Lucas has already been hurt by the fact he made it in the first place, not even being at risk of being left off like Toon Link and Wolf were. Also, Toon Link is back, so the whole differentiating argument doesn't pack as much punch.

Also, the whole "Mother is a small franchise" argument is completely irrelevant for many obvious reasons.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

People of today will literally do anything and everything to deny Mewtwo, I don't even think half the people here realize Greninja and Lucario have never effected Mewtwo whatsoever. And hey, you know what? I'm so sick & tired of getting "Exposed" comments in my inbox, but I've gotta live with it, so suck it up and it'll be over before you know it.

It's always the same argument with Mewtwo, more than 5 Pokemon slots is too many and Jigglypuff is more likely due to being in since the beginning. Now I want Jigglypuff to be removed more than ever before, people really need to stop saying that Jigglypuff is untouchable.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

It's always the same argument with Mewtwo, more than 5 Pokemon slots is too many and Jigglypuff is more likely due to being in since the beginning. Now I want Jigglypuff to be removed more than ever before, people really need to stop saying that Jigglypuff is untouchable.

NEVEEEEEER!

 

[Arcadenik]

I am fine with Mewtwo and Jigglypuff not playable in SSB4... and... ah... uh.. I rip tags off mattresses. Come at me bro!

 

[Croph]

But there still had to be results posted if you know Lucas's placement...

Also, that sounds quite a bit like the official poll, are you sure you aren't referring to that?

Wait, I'm confused... there was an official poll? Pre or post-Brawl?

As far as I know, there was that suggestion thingy on the site that Hotfeet444 mentioned, which not all posts/suggestions were posted. Sakurai hand-picked a certain amount, and of course people counted how many times X character showed up -- but that's hardly an accurate way of knowing how characters fare considering we only got a small amount of posts. Is this the one where Sonic ranked #1 (basically got requested the most)?

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

and Jigglypuff.

Why do so many people think Jigglypuff is going to be cut/be the prime candidate to be cut?

Let's forget about her being in the original 12, or that she is easy to develop. She has been in 3 games. Each being divided by quite a bit of years. It is not at all surprising through all these years, people have gotten attached to her.

So then, with that said, why would Sakurai even want to cut jigglypuff? The only logical explanation would be to make room for a shiny new character...but with what Sakurai has said in the past about how he feels about cuts, about how each character has their set of fans, why would he cut a character who's set of fans are more attached to then a majority of the roster?

Not only that, but with Pokemon Trainer being cut and, more than likely, Ivysaur and Squirtle, I don't think Sakurai is even opposed to cutting unique characters. Even if a character isn't exactly a clone, or even a semi-clone, that doesn't mean Sakurai will let them 100% stay.

Now, at this point, it must be said that I don't think there will be anymore cuts, (aside from the up the air Snake), because the all the rest of the characters aren't holding anyone back. And with two characters being cut, (three if counting the Pokemon trainer himself), do you really need to get rid of anymore?

Also, lots of things that took up Sakurai's time like the Dojo or subspace won't be in this game meaning more time for characters.

I'm not to sure about this next point, but with namco working with him, they might be able to develop characters faster.

Now, with all of this, if for some crazy reasoning, another character needs to be cut, (being most likely for time constraints), why would it be Jigglypuff?

Putting all of this together, adding back the fact that she is a part of the original 12 and is easy to develop, if Jigglypuff was put into a situation where it is either her or one of the newer characters, (melee and brawl), Jigglypuff would be the one staying.

There is one last thing though. However, I won't mention it because I do have respect for you and would rather not make you mad.[/quote]

 

[Hotfeet444]

It's always the same argument with Mewtwo, more than 5 Pokemon slots is too many and Jigglypuff is more likely due to being in since the beginning. Now I want Jigglypuff to be removed more than ever before, people really need to stop saying that Jigglypuff is untouchable.

...If people want to talk about hated characters, if Pokemon does only get 5 characters and Jiggles is indeed said fifth, hoo boy, the hate Jigglypuff will get is going to make the hate for Lucario and Greninja look like, in the words of Hades..."A sweet Cuddly Bunny".

You know, @ Hotfeet444 , we were just having a discussion on Krystal, and I really wanted to hear your stand on her possible inclusion, and chances. I figured id ask a famous YouTuber

There's not much to really say, Krystal is a character with a ton of potential with indeed a bit going for her, especially after surviving the initial onslaught of deconfirming characters via assist trophies and the like. However, there are many things that need to be done first before Starfox adds another character, and indeed DK getting more reps, as well as a hope that Metroid doesn't get screwed over this time around, are some of said things. Krystal would be an amazing character to play as, Namco-Bandai can do the staff fighting style better than anyone, but if anything, she's just not likely considering how packed to the brim Starfox is for a series that's, at this point, almost dormant.

Not only that, but with Pokemon Trainer being cut and, more than likely, Ivysaur and Squirtle, I don't think Sakurai is even opposed to cutting unique characters.

Jigglypuff is hardly able to be considered a unique character after almost half her moveset is indeed things that Kirby does.

 

[False Sense]

Fixed.

I would disagree. Partially because of Greninja, who may or may not have made Mewtwo less likely. That seems to be debatable.

But honestly, after that Direct, I'm almost positive Palutena is in the game. She already had quite a bit going for her, and then the Direct came along and gave us that some new Kid Icarus content, a new Final Smash for Pit, and that fake out. Every bit of evidence in the game seems to be pointing to her inclusion, and judging by Sakurai's fake out, he knows people want her in the game. So the way I see it, even if Mewtwo is still very likely, Palutena is just more likely.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Lucas still represents a side of the Mother franchise that Ness doesn't.

And a lot of the arguments you made about Lucas has already been hurt by the fact he made it in the first place, not even being at risk of being left off like Toon Link and Wolf were. Also, Toon Link is back, so the whole differentiating argument doesn't pack as much punch.

Also, the whole "Mother is a small franchise" argument is completely irrelevant for many obvious reasons.

What side? Lucas made it in the first place for being new, but he's not new anymore, and he doesn't have many other redeeming qualities. Toon Link has a lot of differences from Link, such as art style, personality, and being a child, which the child Link is a very important aspect to the Zelda series, Sakurai even said he found it important to have an adult and child version of Link. Also Toon Link has appeared in many games, and is very recognizable and popular, unlike Lucas. The two Links are very contrasting, Ness and Lucas aren't very contrasting. It being a small and obscure franchise, is relevant when it comes to deciding who to cut, and cuts are happening.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Krystal being unlikely is simply the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

 

[False Sense]

Krystal being unlikely is simply the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

You haven't heard that many ridiculous things, have you?

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Krystal being unlikely is simply the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Four Starfox characters are unlikely, and Krystal getting in over Falco or Wolf is unlikely.

 

[Joe D.]

There's not much to really say, Krystal is a character with a ton of potential with indeed a bit going for her, especially after surviving the initial onslaught of deconfirming characters via assist trophies and the like. However, there are many things that need to be done first before Starfox adds another character, and indeed DK getting more reps, as well as a hope that Metroid doesn't get screwed over this time around, are some of said things. Krystal would be an amazing character to play as, Namco-Bandai can do the staff fighting style better than anyone, but if anything, she's just not likely considering how packed to the brim Starfox is for a series that's, at this point, almost

I can respect that thought, but I do not see her too far out of reach. I mean, it is a reputable Nintendo franchise, and even though it has been sleeping these past few years, we still know of it as an important Nintendo franchise. I also understand that Sakurai does not try to let personal biases influence the overall game, but i've heard that he likes Star Fox. If this was the case, I would think he could pay a little more attention to the characters of the franchise, as opposed to what people think he does.

@ Godzillathewonderdog I disagree, I don't think 4 reps is out of the realm of possibility. Everyone seems to think that, but I don't see 4 reps as a pipe dream if the characters are usable enough. I would personally think Krystal could rep her series well, and better than most of the other candidates, (besides the previously included.)

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

You haven't heard that many ridiculous things, have you?

Not really, except for GamesRadar predicting that Marth would be cut for the game just because he's an old timer. That was just silly

 

[Hotfeet444]

Krystal being unlikely is simply the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Well, if you think that...please consider the following. (I'd post a gif of Bill Nye, even though it does indeed have relation to what I'm talking about, but the mods are pretty hard-nosed so I won't)

Starfox is a franchise that, at this point, hasn't had a new game in a total of 7 years, not including Starfox 64 3D with is a remake/remastered version of Starfox 64. This is a franchise that has had, for what it's worth in terms of games, ALOT of representation. It has three characters, items, assist trophies and alot more based after it. That's very good for a series in its standing. Within the time between Brawl and Smash 4, Starfox has literally been almost silent and hasn't warranted anything new for the new game, this is fact. Starfox's closest thing to a new game was very early KI: Uprising development time, in which it was intended to originally be a Starfox game. For these reasons, Krystal is indeed not likely at all for this installment, but a probable star contender for the next iteration of Smash Bros.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I would disagree. Partially because of Greninja, who may or may not have made Mewtwo less likely. That seems to be debatable.

Don't see how it's even remotely debatable.
Also I still don't see how the hell Greninja means Mewtwo can't get in.

Which brings up the problem I mentioned, which is how Mewtwo fans take anything as a threat. Like you could show them a bunch of grapes, and they'd cry foul and claim in absolution that Mewtwo isn't coming back because the grapes are purple and anyone that disagrees is asinine.

 

[Deleted member]

Krystal being unlikely is simply the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Its kind of the truth unfortunately until we get more info.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Krystal being unlikely is simply the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

• Fourth Star Fox character
• Fourth clone of Fox
  
• Barely important to Star Fox

The only reason I bet you think is likely is that you expect her entire move set to be staff based despite it being irrelevant to her character and her design and the fact that Sakurai doesn't really give a **** about most RareWare stuff like Diddy Kong Racing DS, Donkey Kong 64, and Star Fox Adventures. These games that are never even acknowledged outside of stickers and the inevitable which is mentioning that characters debuted in these games. Krystal is a Space Pilot JUST as much as Fox is. Saying she's not going to be dismissed as a clone is what's ridiculous. But, I suppose as long as a character is requested and has SOME sort of unique source material, that automatically makes both that character and it's source material likely.

But, certainly not the MOST ridiculous. Just an hour ago or so, people argued that Luma counted as a playable character. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard (but, then again I hear so many ludicrous things that I sometimes forget.)

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I think the fact that we have yet to even see a 2nd Starfox character is indicating that there won't be a new Starfox character.

 

[BlindFox]

Four Starfox characters are unlikely, and Krystal getting in over Falco or Wolf is unlikely.

As much as I like wolf as a character, the fox's mighty bad ass arch-enemy, it never worked for me in Brawl. The same formula that was used with Captain Falcon and Ganondorf. Krystal could bring fresh air to the roster the same way that Wii-Fit Trainers, Villager and Palutena (We can agree that her chances to be a playable character are really high).

 

[Hotfeet444]

Which brings up the problem I mentioned, which is how Mewtwo fans take anything as a threat.

While it's true Mewtwo fans can be a bit touchy on said subjects...Mewtwo fans have been basically ridiculed over and over for months now, ever since Lucario was announced and the "Lucario = Mewtwo deconfirmed" bullscheiBa started. So in a way...the opposing party is definitely no better.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Well, if you think that...please consider the following. (I'd post a gif of Bill Nye, even though it does indeed have relation to what I'm talking about, but the mods are pretty hard-nosed so I won't)

Starfox is a franchise that, at this point, hasn't had a new game in a total of 7 years, not including Starfox 64 3D with is a remake/remastered version of Starfox 64. This is a franchise that has had, for what it's worth in terms of games, ALOT of representation. It has three characters, items, assist trophies and alot more based after it. That's very good for a series in its standing. Within the time between Brawl and Smash 4, Starfox has literally been almost silent and hasn't warranted anything new for the new game, this is fact. Starfox's closest thing to a new game was very early KI: Uprising development time, in which it was intended to originally be a Starfox game. For these reasons, Krystal is indeed not likely at all for this installment, but a probable star contender for the next iteration of Smash Bros.

Yeah, but here's the thing: I highly doubt that Wolf will return, he was probably the least unique of the StarFox characters added, more importantly I kinda stunk with him, and Pit's been in a huge slumber for more than 7 years and still been in Brawl, so I'm not changed after reading this

 

[AEMehr]

But, certainly not the MOST ridiculous. Just an hour ago or so, people argued that Luma counted as a playable character. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard (but, then again I hear so many ludicrous things that I sometimes forget.)

Yes, let's ignore the pretty viable counterargument [since there are people on both sides of the argument] and miss the entire point of it in the first place.

 

[Hotfeet444]

l return, he was probably the least unique of the StarFox characters added, more importantly I kinda stunk with him

Please don't bring your personal vendettas into play here, I'm not very good with Ike and yet I don't say he shouldn't return. (What do I look like? Shokio saying Dedede and Sonic won't return?)

Also, compared to Falco, Wolf was practically his own character when it comes to Starfox characters.

 

[Deleted member]

the fact that Sakurai doesn't really give a **** about most RareWare stuff like Diddy Kong Racing DS, Donkey Kong 64, and Star Fox Adventures.

Donkey Kong 64

Gonna have to stop you right there

Sakurai seems to pay attention to Donkey Kong 64 with Diddy getting his peanut popgun & rocketbarrel jetpack in his moves & DK with his dash attack & forward aerial in Brawl.

 

[False Sense]

Don't see how it's even remotely debatable.
Also I still don't see how the hell Greninja means Mewtwo can't get in.

Which brings up the problem I mentioned, which is how Mewtwo fans take anything as a threat. Like you could show them a bunch of grapes, and they'd cry foul and claim in absolution that Mewtwo isn't coming back because the grapes are purple and anyone that disagrees is asinine.

I didn't think Lucario was a threat... Though that's when Brawl + Mewtwo was considered the most likely outcome.

Greninja does mess with that formula. Mewtwo could very well be just as likely as before, but I would think that it's reasonable that there would be some doubts to his inclusion after Greninja, something no one really considered previously, made it onto the roster. It forces us to rethink what's likely and what's unlikely.

Although, the main point of my post there was mostly that Palutena is incredibly likely at this point, not that Mewtwo is unlikely.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Gonna have to stop you right there

Sakurai seems to pay attention to Donkey Kong 64 with Diddy getting his peanut popgun & rocketbarrel jetpack in his moves & DK with his dash attack & forward aerial in Brawl.

Also with a remix of the best song ever, the DK Rap.

 

[AEMehr]

Gonna have to stop you right there

Sakurai seems to pay attention to Donkey Kong 64 with Diddy getting his peanut popgun & rocketbarrel jetpack in his moves & DK with his dash attack & forward aerial in Brawl.

Indeed, to say Sakurai doesn't care about Rareware's work on the Donkey Kong franchise is basically saying you've never payed much attention to the DK content in a smash game. There's a ton of Rare-related stuff in every Smash game.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Yes, let's ignore a pretty viable counterargument [since there are people on both sides of the argument] and miss the entire point of it in the first place.

Viable? Ariand, I don't mean to be so dismissive, but I don't like to endlessly debate arguments that are completely unreasonable. What's the point? If you aren't going to listen to reason then why should I try to keep convincing you? There is simply nothing else I can say besides Luma is less counted as a playable character by Sakurai than Nana is.

Your point is that Luma counts as the sixth Mario character and thus there does not need to be another in order to have Mewtwo and Jigglypuff present. Nana is a character you can ACTUALLY play as. You can select Nana from the select screen, you can move her at all times, command her attacks at all times, and she's not disposable and she is NOT counted as one of the 39 characters.

Luma is a small little star species with a limited move set being controlled by Rosalina, constantly has to be re spawned with different variations of it's species despite not being KO'd, and is clearly not treated by Sakurai during the direct as a fully different character that can be defined as "playable", but rather Rosalina's aid. Just because Luma has more attacks, doesn't make it anymore a playable character than Pikmin.

If you want to count her as a sixth Mario character, perfectly fine. But, to claim that Sakurai does is just ridiculous. There's nothing else I can say to you. I'm not going to argue with you and counter the same arguments with the same arguments if you refuse to accept it by any zany means necessary and defining any living being on the battlefield that exclusively is influenced by one character, to be officially counted by Sakurai as a playable character.

Indeed, to say Sakurai doesn't care about Rareware's work on the Donkey Kong franchise is basically saying you've never payed much attention to the DK content in a smash game. There's a ton of Rare-related stuff in every Smash game.

Well, I was more or less referring to the games that are more of Rareware's content. Maybe Donkey Kong 64 itself was a bad example, but that doesn't change that he doesn't care about Diddy Kong Racing DS and Star Fox Adventures at all.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Remember when Smashboards was quiet and peaceful? Me too...it was nice. ANYWAYS! How many people do you think are going to throw out the "K.Rool is owned by Rare" now that we have the Kremlings in Smash Bros?