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Smashoperatingbuddy123

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He is a unique character? Having distinct moves such as laser eyes, spin attack, Gyromite projectile, and a jet boost. Is that not unique. "Doesn't seem to fit" and "not really a Nintendo character" is only your opinion, but why do you think he added him in the first place?
Well for one thing sakurai said all character return will get changed up moves/buffs/nerfs for moves so ROB will be repaired from brawl obviously

And probably getting a new up special because of glide mechanic gone in my opinion
 

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You'd think after Wii Fit Trainer, and the possibility of Mii on the horizon, people wouldn't get hung up on arbitrary criteria of what defines a "real" character.
 

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Did someone notice this?

It's not like if Miis had a real chance but this way (maybe) people will shut up already.
The direct is even better now that I know this.
 

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Did someone notice this?

It's not like if Miis had a real chance but this way (maybe) people will shut up already.
The direct is even better now that I know this.
That'd be a whole lot more convincing if there weren't literally a countless amount of different Miis...
 

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Did someone notice this?

It's not like if Miis had a real chance but this way (maybe) people will shut up already.
The direct is even better now that I know this.
It would be funny if the King Mii ended up being playable. So you fight as the King (or Queen) to save your child from the Dark Lord.

But yes, it is interesting that the Mii in the cage is the Prince rather than the King. Although I do assume the Mii in the cage is the system's default Mii.
 

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We can agree that the upcoming E3 is going to be "da bomb". We may see a new Zelda (Maybe a new Star Fox and F-Zero) and the final reveal for Smash Bros. I don't know about you, but I can't wait for it.
And for characters

The 4 trophys teased chrom palutena girahim and ridley

Sakurais inner prankster used greninja to look like mewtwo the real mewtwo trailer could be there

He tells Ridleys fate

Maybe even a wtf character

But one thing is 95% sure because of the s flag (charizard is holding it like he's activating a assist trophy) and galaga invaders pac man is practical confirmed right now but not 100%

But more on customize move set

About smash run

More boss stage hazard gets revealed (hopefully ridley is confirmed for playable and boss just like theory of other m is a clone and super metroid is the real one)
 
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Did someone notice this?

It's not like if Miis had a real chance but this way (maybe) people will shut up already.
The direct is even better now that I know this.
I think what's strange is that people say Ridley - the shadow - is de-confirmed, but the Miis who are shown liberally throughout the direct and in a cage on one stage, are still going to be playable. Where's the mystery in that? It seems MUCH clearer to me that Sakurai was alluding to non-playable Mii on that stage in his Find Mii update now, whereas Ridley's hazard leaves much to be desired. The difference here is also that Miis are more expected than wanted as newcomers, Sakurai probably didn't imagine there'd be fans of the "character." So he actually would play around on how Miis are implemented.

If I'm right, we should see a follow-up to the Find Mii update soon that explains how the Mii works on that stage.
 

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Something I've been wondering:

Why does everyone enough people for me to use 'everyone' before the edit think that Girahim is being teased by the Fi trophy? Is it because he's really popular with Zelda folks or because the trophy was from SS or...?

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If I'm right, we should see a follow-up to the Find Mii update soon that explains how the Mii works on that stage.
It'd be neat if you didn't just have to kill the Dark Lord or whatever that big green dude is, but also break King Mii out of his cage to get a reward/bonus for doing the 'boss event'.
 
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Miis are not a char on nintendo history, they don´t deserve be in. A cameo is fine.
 

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After the whole Toon Link debacle, I'm not going to have much of a comment for the Mii's.
It's not just the fact that there's a Mii in the cage. We also learned that the customization applies to all the characters and nothing to do with Miis.

And the icon for the Find Mii stage is a crown, meaning it's not a stage for the "Mii series", just Find Mii specifically. The Pilotwings stage is also just that: A pilotwings stage. Miis have no stage.
 
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It's not just the fact that there's a Mii in the cage. We also learned that the customization applies to all the characters and nothing to do with Miis.

And the icon for the Find Mii stage is a crown, meaning it's not a stage for the "Mii series", just Find Mii specifically. The Pilotwings stage is also just that: A pilotwings stage. Miis have no stage.
Just to play devil's advocate, there is one stage that has no icon yet that could be a Mii stage, that living room featured most recently using Villager/WFT.
 

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It's not just the fact that there's a Mii in the cage. We also learned that the customization applies to all the characters and nothing to do with Miis.

And the icon for the Find Mii stage is a crown, meaning it's not a stage for the "Mii series", just Find Mii specifically. The Pilotwings stage is also just that: A pilotwings stage. Miis have no stage.
The Tomodachi Life stage for the 3DS version? (edit: Greninja'd)

Then again, that could get its own series symbol as well.
I think a proper Mii stage would be something from the Mii Plaza or Wii Play.

If the Miis do get in, they might be a bit too bland seeing how the move customization applies to everyone, not just them. So I don't know how they might stand out aside from the typical Mii editing.

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It's not just the fact that there's a Mii in the cage. We also learned that the customization applies to all the characters and nothing to do with Miis.

And the icon for the Find Mii stage is a crown, meaning it's not a stage for the "Mii series", just Find Mii specifically. The Pilotwings stage is also just that: A pilotwings stage. Miis have no stage.
Well it's not like that was the only way for the Mii's to get in. They have got a wide array of games they can get their moveset based on, so it doesn't really rely too much on the costumization aspect really. Most just thought they would probably be primarily used for that. With that knowledge known. Mii supporters should just give them a moveset of their own like everyone else.

As for their icon, I'm not really sure what that would be. The Pilotwings stage was said to be a Pilotwings stage to begin with, guess we will have to wait for the Tomodachi stage and how that icon would look like. Some icons do tend to be different than what most expect, like what happened with Megaman's icon.

Like I said, I don't have much of a comment in regards to whether or not that cameo outright shoots them down after seeing what happened with Toon Link, which seems to be a pretty similar thing from the looks of things. In fact, I don't really have much of a comment on most things anymore after that Direct. Guess I'll just wait things out for now.
 

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Just to play devil's advocate, there is one stage that has no icon yet that could be a Mii stage, that living room featured most recently using Villager/WFT.
That's the living room in Nintendogs. It is just going to fall under the same kind of path that Hannenbow and Pictochat took.
But I just KNOW somebody is going to create a thread about having a Nintendog's representative. People are crazy like that.
 

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That's the living room in Nintendogs. It is just going to fall under the same kind of path that Hannenbow and Pictochat took.
But I just KNOW somebody is going to create a thread about having a Nintendog's representative. People are crazy like that.
There already exists one actually. For a while now.
 

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Yeah, I'm guessing the Mii in the cage is going to be your personal Mii. The one that actually shows up in the cage when you play the actual Find Mii game.
 

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Considering that Mewtwo was planned to be in Brawl as well, with Dr. Mario assumingly being scrapped earlier in development due to having much less developed than Mewtwo, this argument is practically pointless.
That's what you assume. It's much more plausible that Mewtwo wasn't going to be added if there wasn't time for Dr. Mario according to Sakurai always keeping the select screen balanced.


Either way, the Super Mario Franchise currently has 6 fighters.

Mario, Luigi, Bowser, Peach, Rosalina, and Luma.
Please tell me that was a joke. You can't honestly believe that Red Pikmin, Yellow Pikmin, Blue Pikmin, White Pikmin, Purple Pikmin, Nana, Luma, and Red are all counted as playable characters Because Sakurai says they are not. Not that he has to for one to easily understand that fact.

This is the poorest of poor arguments. If you actually believe Luma counts as a playable character, then you have proven that you are blatantly using ridiculous excuses to prove your side by whatever lengths you see necessary. Regardless of whether it makes sense or matches up with how the man himself sees it. In which case I respectfully do not want to continue this debate with you ever again.
 
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That's what you assume. It's much more plausible that Mewtwo wasn't going to be added if there wasn't time for Dr. Mario according to Sakurai always keeping the select screen balanced.



Please tell me that was a joke. You can't honestly believe that Red Pikmin, Yellow Pikmin, Blue Pikmin, White Pikmin, Purple Pikmin, Nana, Luma, and Red are all counted as playable characters Because Sakurai says they are not. Not that he has to for one to easily understand that fact.

This is the poorest of poor arguments. If you actually believe Luma counts as a playable character, then you have proven that you are blatantly using ridiculous excuses to prove your side by whatever lengths you see necessary. Regardless of whether it makes sense or matches up with how the man himself sees it. In which case I respectfully do not want to continue this debate with you ever again.
You forgot to quote Aem on this:
"These six all have unique movesets and are controlled by the player."

He knows that the Pikmin and Nana aren't on the same level as Luma. But I don't think Luma is on the same level as the Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon, either.

And for the record, I don't agree with him...yet. I need proof that Sakurai sees Luma as its own separate character like the PT's Pokemon.
 
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Exams are done! I feel so free! Oh...hai everyone. Just continuing that speculation? I'm surprised so many of you are continuing to support the idea of Ridley being playable, but a little disappointed that any of you would think Mewtwo's out of the picture. Ah well, opinions are opinions. :p
 

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Please tell me that was a joke. You can't honestly believe that Red Pikmin, Yellow Pikmin, Blue Pikmin, White Pikmin, Purple Pikmin, Nana, Luma, and Red are all counted as playable characters Because Sakurai says they are not. Not that he has to for one to easily understand that fact.
The part where your argument falls apart is where Luma has an actual moveset, entirely distinct from Rosalina. The Pikmin do not have a moveset in the first place.

They are very much separate characters in terms of mechanics, not presentation. In presentation, yes, they are one character. We're talking about from a programming perspective, though.
 

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My friend thinks that shadow is a far more likely newcomer than Palutena... A moment of silence if you please.
 

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The part where your argument falls apart is where Luma has an actual moveset, entirely distinct from Rosalina. The Pikmin do not have a moveset in the first place.

They are very much separate characters in terms of mechanics, not presentation. In presentation, yes, they are one character. We're talking about from a programming perspective, though.
His argument was never even constructed because Luma does NOT have a full move set. It has a couple attacks initiated by Rosalina and when separated simply becomes a CPU (which is NOT a PLAYABLE character) who consists of only a couple attacks.

But, the problem I'm having is you're looking at the opposite perspective of Sakurai. Of course Nana is a playable character in every way of the term. But, if Sakurai says she's not than she doesn't count as one, which means there is ONE Ice Climber character.

The argument that Luma is a playable character is one of the worst I've heard in my time.

You forgot to quote Aem on this:
"These six all have unique movesets and are controlled by the player."
Right, Luma's couple of attacks are REALLY unique. I ain't nevah seen a character punch and spin before. Just because a COMPUTER does some attacks when it's idle, doesn't make it a playable character. And the moves he performs when not idle are commanded by Rosalina who is the actual character you are controlling, NOT Luma.

Please try to be a little reasonable.

He knows that the Pikmin and Nana aren't on the same level as Luma.
Nana!? You mean the one that replicates everything you do and you have the option to literally play as instead of Popo? Yeah, she's definitely not on the level of a puppet.

People on Miiverse wouldn't even believe this.
 
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His argument was never even constructed because Luma does NOT have a full move set. It has a couple attacks initiated by Rosalina and when separated simply becomes a CPU (which is NOT a PLAYABLE character) who consists of only a couple attacks.

But, the problem I'm having is you're looking at the opposite perspective of Sakurai. Of course Nana is a playable character in every way of the term. But, if Sakurai says she's not than she doesn't count as one, which means there is ONE Ice Climber character.

The argument that Luma is a playable character is one of the worst I've heard in my time.
A couple of attacks? Have you not seen Luma? It has an entire moveset, from standards to aerials to specials. Luma has more than just a couple of attacks. That is an entirely separate moveset. I don't know why the hell you're bringing up the CPU aspect of Luma, by the way. Regardless of whether or not we control it, that's still a moveset that has to be programmed for the CPU to use.

No, Saturn, you're looking at the opposite perspective. Sakurai has gone on record saying there are 39 characters in Brawl. By this he meant movesets. Of course we know Pokemon Trainer was one Pokemon character. The technical aspect of it (still listening?) is made up of 3 movesets--3 of the 39 characters he referred to if you will--meaning that he doesn't only look at characters as a package but from a developer standpoint as well. I'm not arguing that the Ice Climbers are separate characters at all. They share different models, but the moveset is the exact same. The same cannot be said for any other character. Not even the semi-clones. Ice Climbers are one character / one moveset. Rosaluma is one character / two movesets.

It might be a bad argument if only because you're treating it like it's being argued in an entirely different context. Anyone who says Luma is a separate character from Rosalina entirely is wrong, no arguing with that. Anyone who says that Luma is a different moveset, aka pseudo-character, however, is right.
 
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That's what you assume. It's much more plausible that Mewtwo wasn't going to be added if there wasn't time for Dr. Mario according to Sakurai always keeping the select screen balanced.
Because it isn't common knowledge that Mewtwo and several other characters were scrapped in favor of Sonic, right?
Please tell me that was a joke. You can't honestly believe that Red Pikmin, Yellow Pikmin, Blue Pikmin, White Pikmin, Purple Pikmin, Nana, Luma, and Red are all counted as playable characters Because Sakurai says they are not. Not that he has to for one to easily understand that fact.
I'm sorry, did I say that Red, Nana, and the Pikmin are separate fighters?
I said the Pikmin are glorified items, didn't I? Nana is essentially Popo with no changes other than appearance. Red stands in the background and controls the Pokémon, but he doesn't do anything.
Luma actually has a a unique moveset and is under the control of the player. It would go under the same development process as any other playable fighter would go through. Sure it lacks unique specials and grabs, but otherwise it is an essentially complete character.
This is the poorest of poor arguments. If you actually believe Luma counts as a playable character, then you have proven that you are blatantly using ridiculous excuses to prove your side by whatever lengths you see necessary. Regardless of whether it makes sense or matches up with how the man himself sees it. In which case I respectfully do not want to continue this debate with you ever again.
So basically it doesn't matter if Sakurai, the Director of the Smash Brothers franchise who makes all decisions regarding the game, sees characters separately. They aren't separate because they share a character selection icon???
His argument was never even constructed because Luma does NOT have a full move set. It has a couple attacks initiated by Rosalina and when separated simply becomes a CPU (which is NOT a PLAYABLE character) who consists of only a couple attacks.
And yet it still is a unique fighter under the player's control.
But, the problem I'm having is you're looking at the opposite perspective of Sakurai. Of course Nana is a playable character in every way of the term. But, if Sakurai says she's not than she doesn't count as one, which means there is ONE Ice Climber character.
The perspective Sakurai has been is that if a character takes development time and is a unique playable fighter in someway, they've been seen as a separate character.

This applies to Luma much more than it does to Nana, since Nana is basically a remodeled Popo. Luma is far more different to Rosalina. Of course, we'll have to see the game files to see if his really considered separate or not; but if each transformation character had separate folders for stored files, I imagine Luma would have one too. Thus making it a separate unique fighter.
The argument that Luma is a playable character is one of the worst I've heard in my time.
Sureeee.
"Baby Yoshi can be playable because it's cute".

Right, Luma's couple of attacks are REALLY unique. I ain't nevah seen a character punch and spin before. Just because a COMPUTER does some attacks when it's idle, doesn't make it a playable character. And the moves he performs when not idle are commanded by Rosalina who is the actual character you are controlling, NOT Luma.
You control Luma through Rosalina, just as you controlled the Pokémon through the Pokémon Trainer. The difference being that both are actually being physically controlled by the player.
Please try to be a little reasonable.
You're the one calling this "the worst idea I've heard in my time", the one who should be more reasonable is you.
People on Miiverse wouldn't even believe this.
Because most of the people on Miiverse probably wouldn't understand how game development works. You seem to be in a similar predicament if you're denying that Luma isn't comparable to other existing characters at a development standpoint.
 
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Brawl revealed all third parties (Sonic and Snake) and added 18 newcomers.

There were roughly 10 characters that weren't announced before Brawl. SO if that holds true, I would expect the same from this game.

We've already probably lost Squirtle and Ivysaur, so even if we did lose Lucas, Ike, Wolf and Snake, that would only get us down to 33. Add in the probably 5+ newcomers remaining, and the leftover vets...we've got well over 40.
Well at the rate they have been announcing characters they will probably give us 3-5 more before the release. My count being a roster of 42 that would leave 8-10 to be found in the game like in brawl as you said.

Well in any case my realistic side can't see a roster bigger than 42. You say 45 or more I say 42 or less so if either of us is right I guess we can owe the other an "I told you so". For the record though I hope you are right, but no real evidence has arisen to counter what Sakurai has said about the roster as of yet, I see a lot of people being hopeful, but I have not found a good reason to ignore what he said yet.
 
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