Character Discussion Thread

[Robert of Normandy]

I saw a shadow of a being that resembled Ridley without Ridley's name actually being mentioned.

inb4 the hazard is Ice Ridley

 

[FlareHabanero]

R.O.B. is freegame for now until there is a factor actually going against the inclusion.

In other words, R.O.B. isn't Squirtle and Ivysaur.

 

[Sebz]

1.Mii's have gotten a lower chance,so it may be risky.
2.What is that ghost below Miss Fit? (Throw K.Rool at it,it may kill it again )

And Wii Fit Trainer had basically no chance before her reveal, yet the leak got her right.
Also Mii's chances aren't lowered, Toon Link taught us that background elements don't rule out a character and the Punch Out Stage showed us that Icons can be switched around.
The "ghost" below WFT is Marshall from Rhythm heaven, referenced as "Chorus Man" by the leaker.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Oh and by the way, tongue-scarfs are gross and wrong. There, I said it.

 

[?????????????]

Chill dude, I'm just guessing, cuz I don't think he is that significant( that's my two cents and it's no better than yours or anyone else's), and no need to get violent now, I'm just trying to keep myself grounded in reality.

I don't think Jigglypuff is that significant. But thinking he'll get cut wouldn't exactly be grounding myself in reality. We've never seen it get cut before.

ROB is a complete unknown because we've never seen a character representing their own franchise get cut before.

 

[Andinus]

Why should a character who, bluntly, saved the damn Videogame industry, be on the chopping block?

Who? Mario? Seriously what are you talking about? if ROB saved the industry and was so damn important why was he not an original?

 

[False Sense]

And Wii Fit Trainer had basically no chance before her reveal, yet the leak got her right.
Also Mii's chances aren't lowered, Toon Link taught us that background elements don't rule out a character and the Punch Out Stage showed us that Icons can be switched around.
The "ghost" below WFT is Marshall from Rhythm heaven, referenced as "Chorus Man" by the leaker.

It did? I don't remember it ever having an official icon other than the Punch Out one.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Two days? It took over two weeks, and even them he was being ambiguous about what his role would be. I saw it as them wanting to hype up the Yellow Devil, slowly revealing him and the things he does until finally revealing how it all works. Now it's Ridley's turn.

The difference is that Yellow Devil was revealed to finish off the details of the Wily Castle stage, which was talked about during the developer commentary...we've known about everything about the Pyrosphere for many a month now and said time to talk about Ridley in that kind of role has long past. Besides, at least we actually saw the Yellow Devil, not the yellow devil's shadow.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Why do you think ROB will be cut? If it is a stupid, baseless reason that would've deemed his Brawl inclusion "unlikely" I will slap you.

I just want R.O.B. back in so I can laugh at GamesRadar for being wrong. It's happened before, they've been wrong a million times.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I just want R.O.B. back in so I can laugh at GamesRadar for being wrong. It's happened before, they've been wrong a million times.

The 3DS version shall be out soon.

Who? Mario? Seriously what are you talking about? if ROB saved the industry and was so damn important why was he not an original?

By that kind of argument, Mewtwo is waaaaayyyy less important than Jigglypuff, considering that she made it over him in both 64 and Brawl.

 

[Will]

Fair enough, but I still don't think that is a strong enough reason for him to be ,without a doubt, off the chopping block. This game is going to have limits, and I think a lot of people are out of touch with that fact. Cuts are gonna be made and that's how I'm predicting them, that's all.

This is your second day,and mind I tell you this one tip that will save your ass :

NEVER piss off somebody about a character's chances ; especially Saturn when he mentions Tabuu

Oh and by the way, tongue-scarfs are gross and wrong. There, I said it.

Well,it's only sexy and full of swag if you're a humanoid frog-man.

 

[False Sense]

Who? Mario? Seriously what are you talking about? if ROB saved the industry and was so damn important why was he not an original?

"Why was (insert character here) not in the original game?" is a pretty poor argument, honestly. That can be said about pretty much every character not in the original game; that doesn't mean that they're less important. They just took longer making it in.

 

[Sebz]

It did? I don't remember it ever having an official icon other than the Punch Out one.

There was a gigantic smash logo on the stage itself.
Also, it could be possible that the crown logo DOES indeed represent Miis, and they appear in the game as "The King" with a little crown on their head.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Who? Mario? Seriously what are you talking about? if ROB saved the industry and was so damn important why was he not an original?

I dunno, why did it take Kirby three games to get a second newcomer? Why does DK only have two characters? Why all the other random choices over the time of the Smash Bros series? All have the same answer, it's Sakurai's decision.

 

[N3ON]

This is your second day,and mind I tell you this one tip that will save your *** :

NEVER piss off somebody about a character's chances ; especially Saturn when he mentions Tabuu

A lot of people have incredibly unrealistic views of some characters' chances. Don't piss people off deliberately, but don't pretend those characters actually have any kind of chance either for the sake of avoiding disagreement.

 

[Andinus]

I highly doubt the roster will be that small. Think about it...we'll most likely get at least 5 more characters before the game, we're at 29 characters already, and there will definitely be at least 10 characters hidden that we won't know about, so if we're thinking logically about this...the smallest we could get is about 44.

I am thinking, logically about this. Again, this is what sakurai has said.

“It isn’t a matter of ‘if the next game has 50 characters, that’ll be enough.’ There is a certain charm to games that have huge casts of playable characters, but they tend to have issues with game balance and it becomes very difficult to fine-tune each character and have them all feel distinctive…. In terms of quantity, we’ve probably already reached the limit of what’s feasible. I think a change of direction may be what’s needed.”

Tell you what, if you are right you can give me a big old "I told you so" and if I'm right the same goes to you.

 

[Will]

I dunno, why did it take Kirby three games to get a second newcomer? Why does DK only have two characters? Why all the other random choices over the time of the Smash Bros series? All have the same answer, it's Sakurai's decision.

B-b JUST Beautiful.

GIVE THIS MAN THE HOLY MEDAL OF SMASH.

 

[FlareHabanero]

A lot of people have incredibly unrealistic views of some characters' chances. Don't piss people off deliberately, but don't pretend those characters actually have any kind of chance either for the sake of avoiding disagreement.

You're still going on with the whole chances thing?

 

[Andinus]

I dunno, why did it take Kirby three games to get a second newcomer? Why does DK only have two characters? Why all the other random choices over the time of the Smash Bros series? All have the same answer, it's Sakurai's decision.

Exactly, it's Sakurai's decision, not yours, or mine, so you are no more of and expert than I am dude.

 

[False Sense]

There was a gigantic smash logo on the stage itself.
Also, it could be possible that the crown logo DOES indeed represent Miis, and they appear in the game as "The King" with a little crown on their head.

Fair enough, but I was talking about actual symbols for the stage. The kind of symbol you associate with series, and the characters and stages that come from it. We never really saw an official symbol for the boxing arena until the Direct (and it appears to consistently be a boxing glove), although with the reveal of Little Mac we did get confirmation that it was a Punch Out stage, so we could infer it shared the same symbol. So, I don't think symbols will actually change for stages.

As for the King idea... That seems like a very odd way of making the Miis playable, doesn't it? I mean, that's one thing they played a big part in. There is SO much more they've been a part of, so why base them solely on Find Mii?

 

[Will]

A lot of people have incredibly unrealistic views of some characters' chances. Don't piss people off deliberately, but don't pretend those characters actually have any kind of chance either for the sake of avoiding disagreement.

Couldn't have said it better.
No,seriously.

Anyways-We're arguing about ROB (For some reason) and I want to ask you : What do you think of ROB's chances?

 

[N3ON]

You're still going on with the whole chances thing?

Are you saying that because some characters with generally-thought low chances get in the whole notion should be thrown out the window?

Ofc chances are a thing, nowhere does the word imply anything concrete.

 

[Sebz]

As for the King idea... That seems like a very odd way of making the Miis playable, doesn't it? I mean, that's one thing they played a big part in. There is SO much more they've been a part of, so why base them solely on Find Mii?

I guess the same reason why we have a Find Mii Stage:
Because Sakurai.

 

[The Black mage]

This is your second day,and mind I tell you this one tip that will save your *** :

NEVER piss off somebody about a character's chances ; especially Saturn when he mentions Tabuu



Well,it's only sexy and full of swag if you're a humanoid frog-man.

You know what? This should definitely be added as a general rule when it comes to posting here.
Maybe a Fight club-ish rule set.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I am thinking, logically about this. Again, this is what sakurai has said.

Tell you what, if you are right you can give me a big old "I told you so" and if I'm right the same goes to you.

Oh this quote...the quote that lead to many assume the roster would stick at 35 (39) characters. Anyways, if it comes to quality, no other character does what ROB does, so that's already an advantage. That, and he's a representation of the accessories of early Nintendo that were quite a success, nobody else is threatening his spot, and nobody else can take that spot.

 

[False Sense]

I guess the same reason why we have a Find Mii Stage:
Because Sakurai.

I would think the presence of a Find Mii stage would make a lot more sense than playable Miis being based solely off their Find Mii appearance.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Are you saying that because some characters with generally-thought low chances get in the whole notion should be thrown out the window?

Ofc chances are a thing, nowhere does the word imply anything concrete.

Chances aren't actually a thing, it's more so an illusion so people can have some sort of expectation. You can't actually guarantee what is actually likely, then pin down anything that supposedly isn't. If you do that you're just going to get yourself punched in the face, like the Ridley fans who were so hopeful.

 

[9Volt]

By what standard do you mean they "aren't a character?" Because they are a part of Nintendo history. Hell, ideas like Mii's have been around since the NES days.

Yes they are part of history so they deserve a cameo, not a slot. They are not a char just a gameplay ideia.

 

[Andinus]

Considering how important ROB is to Nintendo history, essentially being the Mr. Game and Watch of Brawl, he is certainly not a very likely character to be on the chopping block, especially as he wasn't in the first place back in Brawl, along with Mr. Game and Watch himself.



You'd think people would wise up after he wasn't even on the chopping block. You know, considering that ROB is in the exact same situation that Mr. G&W was in Brawl.

Sorry but your are still just speculating on how sakurai feels. Give me something he has said in regards to how important important he feels about including Nintendo history in this next installment and I will give your your point.

 

[Will]

Oh this quote...the quote that lead to many assume the roster would stick at 35 (39) characters. Anyways, if it comes to quality, no other character does what ROB does, so that's already an advantage. That, and he's a representation of the accessories of early Nintendo that were quite a success, nobody else is threatening his spot, and nobody else can take that spot.

OH THE PRAISE.
POST HIM ON THE WALL OF FAME!

Just joking,but seriously,nice comeback.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

Jigglypuff is hardly able to be considered a unique character after almost half her moveset is indeed things that Kirby does.

1st, I didn't get your quote in my notifications...

2nd, Um...You do know I had other points right? Why didn't you acknowledge them? I kinda worked hard on them...I wanted your opinion on it. i'm sad...

3rd, Excuse me? Fine. Name them. I want to see these so called stolen move. Provide the evidence.

4th, Going back to the 2nd point, what does this have to do with my any of my argument? I was trying to say that even characters like Wolf, who are said to stay because he is more unique then Falco, would be more likely cut than Jigglypuff simply because he hasn't been in that many smash games and that Sakurai is willing to cut unique characters. As in just because a character is unique, doesn't make them any safer than another character.

 

[?????????????]

Chances aren't actually a thing, it's more so an illusion so people can have some sort of expectation. You can't actually guarantee what is actually likely, then pin down anything that supposedly isn't. If you do that you're just going to get yourself punched in the face, like the Ridley fans who were so hopeful.

If a roll a six sided die, can I get a seven?

 

[Sebz]

Yes they are part of history so they deserve a cameo, not a slot. They are not a char just a gameplay ideia.

Like Wii Fit Trainer, right?

 

[FlareHabanero]

If a roll a six sided die, can I get a seven?

In Fortune Street, yes.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Like Wii Fit Trainer, right?

And the Villager? And ROB? And Game & Watch?

 

[Will]

1st, I didn't get your quote in my notifications...

2nd, Um...You do know I had other points right? Why didn't you acknowledge them? I kinda worked hard on them...I wanted your opinion on it. i'm sad...

3rd, Excuse me? Fine. Name them. I want to see these so called stolen move. Provide the evidence.

4th, Going back to the 2nd point, what does this have to do with my any of my argument? I was trying to say that even characters like Wolf, who are said to stay because he is more unique then Falco, would be more likely cut than Jigglypuff simply because he hasn't been in that many smash games and that Sakurai is willing to cut unique characters. As in just because a character is unique, doesn't make them any safer than another character.

He doesn't mean specials,he means physical moves like the Back aerial and the Down aerial,and the down smash,and the side smash.

 

[Hotfeet444]

He doesn't mean specials,he means physical moves like the Back aerial and the Down aerial,and the down smash,and the side smash.

Yeah, you basically covered it all. And also the neutral Air, forward tilt, down tilt and up tilt.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

The 3DS version shall be out soon.

What does that have to do with GamesRadar being wrong about predicting ROB being cut?

 

[Andinus]

I don't think Jigglypuff is that significant. But thinking he'll get cut wouldn't exactly be grounding myself in reality. We've never seen it get cut before.

ROB is a complete unknown because we've never seen a character representing their own franchise get cut before.

Right because cutting jigglypuff would not fit an established pattern. And exactly, we don't know about rob so I'm just guessing he will but cut, but we shall see soon enough how the only person whose opinion matters feels.

 

[FlareHabanero]

What does that have to do with GamesRadar being wrong about predicting ROB being cut?

He's saying that once we get the 3DS version, we'll be able to determine R.O.B.'s fate, and likewise his fate in the Wii U version.