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Oh, fine. I'll replace Takamaru with Tetra. Gives us the pirate thing anyway.
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TumblrFamous
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Nah, I'm gonna replace either Shulk or Takamaru with Chibi-Robo. He's kinda moved up on my list of want.
Which one? Shulk or Takamaru?
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Keep Shulk.
Poor Takamaru.
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Make a new character called Shulkamaru.Poor Takamaru.
Or you could just add both heck stick 100 characters on that roster I'm ready for SmashBoards to get re-excited for the new Smash Bros.
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Ya and to fit in both mewtwo and jigglypuff he makes Jigglytwo.
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Jason the Yoshi
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Ok, so I've moved Mewtwo from my dead list to likely, and added Paper Mario as a possibility in the roster prediction in my mind to balance out Mario and Pokemon. I'm still thinking that the next few newcomers are Chrom, Shulk, and Krystal though. Unfortunately, I don't have the app for roster predictions unless they have it for iPad. If they have it for iPad I'd like to know!
The Suit-less Ace
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I'd keep Takamaru but that's my opinion.
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I must say...it's a little disappointing that you people think Sakurai wouldn't put in the world's most popular and wanted character that's not only a reasonable choice, but long overdue to come back.
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Why should people have to justify having six Pokémon characters if everyone was perfectly fine with having seven before?
Especially if Mario already technically has eight fighters and is expected to have 10.
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I still think we're getting Takamaru due to Sakurai wanting to bring back more old characters for this game, amongst other things.
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Greninja kind of made me question what's real.
Jason the Yoshi
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Sorry Hotfeet, I guess I just overreacted over the past two days.
Shalashaska
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I'm not bitter about his inclusion or anything, but a little while after the direct, I was literally wondering if I was in some kind of weird dream.
JamesDNaux
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There's no reason to justify anything, Pokemon is more than enough in its rights to keep its numbers at six.
It's still entirely possible to lose a number, however. It's something to keep in mind.
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TumblrFamous
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Okay, pizza. I did it.
Chibi-Robo instead of Takamaru. So there.
Chibi-Robo instead of Takamaru. So there.
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Sort of like The Matrix, eh?
But back on topic...I'm not so worried about Falco getting the axe after getting over the...direct.
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TumblrFamous
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Slots, man. The slots.
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Godzillathewonderdog
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This is why I think Jigglypuff is the next most likely character to be cut, if there are more cuts. She is seen as a joke character, (not just by fans, but by Sakurai too) she was low priority in Brawl, the other Pokemon characters are probably higher priority than Jigglypuff, The Pokemon Company/Game Freak probably aren't going to be pushing for her to be in, she doesn't have any notable significance to the Pokemon series, she has a very bland moveset, she isn't nearly as popular as she used to be, she isn't all that relevant anymore, and she is disliked by many people. The bad points outweigh the good points, I mean if Sakurai could only chose between Jigglypuff and Wario do you really think Jigglypuff would be added over him just for the sake of tradition? She's never been cut before, but there's a first time for everything, things change.
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If I may ask, do any of you know why Sakurai chose Greninja as our 4th Pokemon rep?
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Only joking but yeah I think Takamaru still has a huge chance but hey it's your roster.
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...Yeah, actually. I expected a surprising character, so Wii Fit Trainer, while not something I expected, wasn't odd to me. Rosalina was an unlikely choice among multiple viable Mario characters.And you mean to say that Wii Fit Trainer and Rosalina didn't?
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Greninja... I suppose it has to do with the fact that everyone pretty much thought Mewtwo was a guarantee. Almost no one even considered anything else as a possibility. And now look at what's happened.
JamesDNaux
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Game Freak.
Some people try to say that Sakurai picks characters solely on his own, and that Game Freak doesn't tell him anything, even after he's said that he specifically has trouble working with them to get characters. Some say he just played X/Y and thought Greninja was a good choice, kind of odd of him to be playing a game that wasn't even out yet until far after the roster was decided. Sure it's ultimately his say, but you better believe that they pushed Greninja on him hard.
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If you're looking for a look at what's real...what's real is that Game Freak is indeed pretty damn hardcore about marketing the 6th Gen and the new direction the franchise is going to take. And to be honest, if that's the case, Mewtwo may indeed be our final pokemon if it's sticking with five for pokemon. Think about it...
Pikachu: Mascot of the franchise, still immensly popular, never going anywhere and still relevant in the new generation.
Lucario: Big pokemon in X and Y, has a Mega Evolution, part in the story
Charizard: Most popular pokemon, has an evolution that's X-Exclusive featured in Smash 4.
Greninja: The 6th Gen Pokemon (And competitive God of sorts)
This comes to the possible final spot...will it go to...
Jigglypuff: Part Fairy Type, but has had little to no marketing whatsoever in many a year.
Mewtwo: Represents Legendaries, is the Poster Boy of 6th Gen, led the headway of Mega Evolutions, most famous Mega Evolution is a Y-Exclusive to match Charizard's X, and is a pokemon that's not only heavily marketed still, but very relevant and one of the most famous and popular pokemon of all time.
I think it's safe to assume that a character like Mewtwo is undeniably very important at this time.
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They just want to go for the marketable Pokemon of the newest gen.
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If the roster cuts Ivysaur & Squirtle like what's expected, then no, the roster is not more crowded for Mewtwo. If anything, Mewtwo has even more room to join. Understand that Sakurai counts individual characters, not slots; hence why he said thirty-nine characters in Brawl and not thirty-five (and twenty-six in Melee instead of twenty-five). Counting transformation, Brawl had six playable Pokémons.
Before the Smash Direct, most of us were predicting that we would get a total of seven Pokémons; Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Pokémon Trainer and Lucario. Five slots, but seven Pokémon. Let's say that we get six slots and they're Pikachu, Lucario, Charizard, Gekkouga, Jigglypuff and Mewtwo. At first, this may seem a lot because you instantly see six spots instead of five, but here's the thing; all of them count as just one character. That means that the six slots means six characters, which is the same as Brawl, which means room can certainly be made for Mewtwo under such circumstances. Since this roster is going to be bigger than Brawl and that Pokémon is a franchise full of diverse fighters with great fighting potentials, why would it make sense for us to only have five Pokémons this time around?
Now for Gekkouga. Remember something with Pokémon here; each game has added at least two Pokémon characters. The original with Pikachu and Jigglypuff gave us the first two; Melee gave us Mewtwo and Pikachu. Brawl gave us a whooping four new Pokémons to play with; Charizard, Squirtle, Ivysaur (in Pokémon Trainer) and Lucario. Each additions were added for different reasons; they did not prevent the other from getting in (heck, Sakurai even got Pichu in when he realized that he had extra time to add characters in Melee). We already know that Gekkouga is one addition, but with what has happened with previous games, a second addition is absolutely not unlikely, especially with Mewtwo of all characters. For your questions:
"I would think that Mewtwo would be enough to satisfy the fanbase, so why is Greninja here?"
Either Sakurai wanted him in or the Pokémon company did. We don't know the full detail surrounding Gekkouga's inclusion, so it's difficult to accurately answer this question. But just because Gekkouga has his reason to be in, it doesn't it relates to Mewtwo being in/not being in. Both Gekkouga and Mewtwo can be in for completely different reasons, like for example, if Gekkouga was added because Sakurai wanted a ninja-like character in and he saw Gekkouga as a great choice whereas he may also want Mewtwo in because of the Sonic-like fan demand surrounding him.
"Did we really need both Mewtwo and Greninja added in?"
The problem with this question is that there is no such thing as a necessary addition for this game. We didn't need Mega Man, or any of the newcomers we got. We have all the characters that we will ever need that was added into Brawl in order to drive sales. In order for a character to be necessary, they must be able to be make a major difference in sales by themselves. These characters don't exist anymore. Newcomers can create hype, but they can't create a big amount of sales. There are characters that should and deserve to be in the game, but they aren't necessities.
"Why not take the effort put into Greninja and put it into something else from a different series? Unless, I'm thinking, Mewtwo isn't in the game and Greninja is all we're getting."
Gekkouga was added. But again, we don't know the reason behind Gekkouga's inclusion. Since Pokémon has a history of adding multiple characters, we can't say for sure that Gekkouga was included instead of Mewtwo. It could very well be because Gekkouga and Mewtwo have two very separate reasons for being included. But this is me just repeating myself.
Also, I would not be afraid of disappointments; they happen all the time in real life. And being afraid of disappointments is hardly reason to dwell in pessimistic. I was in a similar situation with Mega Man, who was my most wanted character before his confirmation. I held a lot of private doubts about his inclusion; the possibility of executive meddling ruining everything, Mega Man's third-party status, possibility of other third-parties being picked over Mega Man, etc. Yet noticing what exactly he had going for him (most wanted newcomer by the mass, amazing potentials, a legendary video game character, evidence of interest from Capcom, etc.), I had very good reasons to keep fighting for him. I pulled out all the stops to make my support thread (once I took over from the inactive mod in April of last year) and fought for him even when many had given up. I let no one stop me (especially not all of the **** arguments that was running around Mega Man) and I gave it my all, even when recognizing the reality that he might not get in. All of this was worth it as he was shown in glorious HD and it was one of the best moments I've ever had as a gamer. And I would totally do the same again for another character I support.
The point is, you shouldn't be afraid to support Mewtwo just because you may have doubt about him. Supporting characters shouldn't be about supporting who's likely, it should be about supporting who you want. That's why I stuck by Mega Man even if I felt there was a very real chance of him missing out.
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Zzuxon
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If I put in Wolf, I'd take out Falco(Which is something I've considered). I object to Star Fox getting 3 characters on principle, I just don't think it is big enough. I removed Lucas for the smae reason.Here's the three I would pick from the bottom:
1. Wolf, he's one of the big antagonists in Star Fox. Also, he's actually more unique than Falco IMO.
2. Bandana Dee, I think Kirby deserves four reps. Bandana Dee plays larger roles in some of the newer Kirby games I believe. He can do some pretty cool stuff with his spear and the fact that Dedede doesn't throw Waddle Dee's anymore helps him.
3. Paper Mario, he could represent the underrepresented Mario RPG's. With a huge possibility of a unique moveset. Also, while being part of the Mario Franchise, his icon could appear different or at least his victory music could differ like Meta Knight. I'm one of those people who think the Mario franchise deserved five reps in Brawl and six reps in this installment. It may still be Mario, but people accept Toon Link(He may be important to the series but they could've differentiated him from Link even more) and Toon Zelda as a possibility. Paper Mario is also highly requested in Japan. At least that's what I've seen. . . And the fact that's he's my most wanted
I'd mention Vaati, Squirtle, Dixie, Lucas and Robin. I think they're deserving as well.
I have come really close to putting in Bandanna Dee, so maybe in the future. But now, I'd like more new series characters.
I Love Paper Mario, but putting in him AND Rosalina AND Toad would be kind of Mario Overkill.
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I personally don't think those cuts are necessary.
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Rockaphin
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I think Gamefreak had a big role with this inclusion.
I believe Sakurai stated that he asks Gamefreak about which Pokémon are the most popular and relevant. Greninja was the most popular starter from Gen 6 and also appears to be the most used out of the 3 competitively(He's among the top according to an official Pokémon usage chart). Most people suggested a Kalos Trainer with a team consisted of: Chespin, Braixen, and Greninja so maybe he decided to pick the last one. I'm not too sure myself but I think it was mostly due to Gamefreak suggesting Greninja.
That being said, I personally thank Gamefreak because Greninja looks great!
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To be honest...I think that's kinda dumb when you have 2 Kid Icarus characters.
Zzuxon
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You have that right. I just would rather have a few new series in than overload series that are, frankly, pretty small.
I agree. I resent putting in a second KI character. But I feel I have to due to Palutena's huge popularity.
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The Suit-less Ace
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After the reboot I feel that it is appropriate. But before that not really.
Rockaphin
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I didn't see Toad originally, so I understand your reasoning. I'd actually keep Wolf over Falco, but I don't think either has to be cut.
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It's a sequel, not a reboot.
Hear, Hear.
That's the main reason I was disappointed in the De-confirmation of Saki.
I mean in my sig there's not a single rep who's game has been represented before.
I was disappointed in the Rosalina reveal, but I was heartbroken from the Greninja reveal.
They're both cool but that kinda seems like series overload to me.
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I'm just saying it seems hypocritical to me to add a Kid Icarus newcomer, but remove an Earthbound and Star Fox character on the basis that the series isn't large enough, when:
a.) Star Fox has more games then either
b.) The MOTHER series had consistent releases, while Kid Icarus was forgotten for many years before a new game
c.) The MOTHER series has an equal number of games to Kid Icarus
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Joe D.
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I think it's obvious that Sakurai did not re-include Pokemon Trainer, simply because of no transformations. Because he did this, He left Charizard, (Who is arguably the most popular Pokemon in the solar system,) and cut our other two, because they just didn't have enough priority to fill up spots as stand alones, (my opinion, of course.)
Also, with Trainer out, this was the prime chance for Sakurai to fill the void- one with Jiggs, and one with Mewtwo. Same amount of playable Pokes as Brawl, no transformations, all good.
To sum it up, I personally think Trainer's almost complete removal, (besides Charizard,) was to appease the Mewtwo fans around the world.
Also, with Trainer out, this was the prime chance for Sakurai to fill the void- one with Jiggs, and one with Mewtwo. Same amount of playable Pokes as Brawl, no transformations, all good.
To sum it up, I personally think Trainer's almost complete removal, (besides Charizard,) was to appease the Mewtwo fans around the world.
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