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Well, in light of recent revelations, I decided to try and make a pure prediction roster of what I think will likely happen. However, I'm still a little unsure of what actually is likely and unlikely at this point. If I could get a little advice on this, I'd very much appreciate it.

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Apologies for the out of date icons. Now as for why I think that these characters are likely (or unlikely)...

King K. Rool: I think he has the edge over Dixie at this point. The Kremlings in the Direct proved that he's more than likely in Sakurai's thoughts, which bodes very well for him.

No Zelda Newcomer: Probably wasn't that likely to begin with, and now that Sheik is separated from Zelda, it seems like she'll be taking up her own slot. I'm not ruling out a Zelda newcomer, but it's less than likely, I think.

No Ridley: Poor Ridley... At this point, it seems more likely that he's going to be a stage hazard than an actual character. I will say that it's not entirely impossible for Ridley to end up playable, though; I just kind of doubt it at this point.

Palutena: Ok, I'm going to say it; Palutena is the closest thing to a lock we have this time around. Everything is pointing to her inclusion now. It's only a matter of time, I think.

No Mewtwo: ...This kills me more than anything, having to take Mewtwo off my roster. With Greninja already being here, I just don't find Mewtwo to be more than likely. I can't say I'm expecting him anymore.

Chrom: I said this was a prediction roster, didn't I? Dang it. As much as I strongly support Robin's inclusion, I can't say he's more likely than Chrom. Since this is purely a prediction roster, I feel like I have to put Chrom over Robin.

Takamaru: Greninja may have taken a few possibilities from Takamaru, but I think he still has enough material to work with to make him plenty unique. Greninja's really borrowing more from Sheik than anyone else...

Still have Snake: I debated about this one, but here's what I think. The Direct confirmed that Sakurai is capable of outright lying to his fans. If Snake is in the game, it honestly wouldn't surprise me now if Sakurai told Kojima exactly what to say if asked about Snake's inclusion. It's devious, true, but it sure would build hype if Snake came back despite the odds, wouldn't it? ...I guess the same could be said for Ridley, but...

Pac-Man: He seems likely enough considering the Namco content in the game, and for all the other reasons he'd make a good pick.

So, that's what I have for my prediction roster so far. However, I still have those random spaces that are undecided at this point. Any ideas about what should go there? Mii? Mewtwo or Ridley? Nothing? Is there anything else that seems wrong for a prediction roster? I'd appreciate any feedback I could get.
Seems really good (I can forgive you for the lack of Vaati :awesome:), although I'd replace Jigglypuff with Mewtwo as all Jiggly has that Mewtwo doesn't is seniority, which can only go so far, and to add Ridley, since Sakurai for some reason refuses to show him to us, making me think Sakurai is hiding something from us that we don't know about yet.
 

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New roster because I figured out how to fit Pac-Man. Otherwise it's the same as the one I posted earlier.

man I feel so dirty including Pac instead of Lloyd
 
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Well, in light of recent revelations, I decided to try and make a pure prediction roster of what I think will likely happen. However, I'm still a little unsure of what actually is likely and unlikely at this point. If I could get a little advice on this, I'd very much appreciate it.

View attachment 11917

Apologies for the out of date icons. Now as for why I think that these characters are likely (or unlikely)...

King K. Rool: I think he has the edge over Dixie at this point. The Kremlings in the Direct proved that he's more than likely in Sakurai's thoughts, which bodes very well for him.

No Zelda Newcomer: Probably wasn't that likely to begin with, and now that Sheik is separated from Zelda, it seems like she'll be taking up her own slot. I'm not ruling out a Zelda newcomer, but it's less than likely, I think.

No Ridley: Poor Ridley... At this point, it seems more likely that he's going to be a stage hazard than an actual character. I will say that it's not entirely impossible for Ridley to end up playable, though; I just kind of doubt it at this point.

Palutena: Ok, I'm going to say it; Palutena is the closest thing to a lock we have this time around. Everything is pointing to her inclusion now. It's only a matter of time, I think.

No Mewtwo: ...This kills me more than anything, having to take Mewtwo off my roster. With Greninja already being here, I just don't find Mewtwo to be more than likely. I can't say I'm expecting him anymore.

Chrom: I said this was a prediction roster, didn't I? Dang it. As much as I strongly support Robin's inclusion, I can't say he's more likely than Chrom. Since this is purely a prediction roster, I feel like I have to put Chrom over Robin.

Takamaru: Greninja may have taken a few possibilities from Takamaru, but I think he still has enough material to work with to make him plenty unique. Greninja's really borrowing more from Sheik than anyone else...

Still have Snake: I debated about this one, but here's what I think. The Direct confirmed that Sakurai is capable of outright lying to his fans. If Snake is in the game, it honestly wouldn't surprise me now if Sakurai told Kojima exactly what to say if asked about Snake's inclusion. It's devious, true, but it sure would build hype if Snake came back despite the odds, wouldn't it? ...I guess the same could be said for Ridley, but...

Pac-Man: He seems likely enough considering the Namco content in the game, and for all the other reasons he'd make a good pick.

So, that's what I have for my prediction roster so far. However, I still have those random spaces that are undecided at this point. Any ideas about what should go there? Mii? Mewtwo or Ridley? Nothing? Is there anything else that seems wrong for a prediction roster? I'd appreciate any feedback I could get.
Just needs Mewtwo. I really don't see how any of the recent developments have hurt his chances.

Mewtwo is the star of Gen 6, which already has gotten a ton of content, and he is the perfect way to top it off.
 

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I don't even have a problem with Pac-Man anymore. So you're mentality of "Doubts Pac-Man = Clearly just because he hates Pac-Man" annoys me and I find it to be very ignorant to assume that somebody doubts a character because they hate them or that somebody likes a character because they expect them or vice versa.
 
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I noticed people saying Isaac is more likely now due to not being shown off with all the other assist trophies, but I think that has to do with him being a unlockable assist trophy in the last game, which none of the unlockable assist trophies from Brawl have been shown off yet.
 

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I noticed people saying Isaac is more likely now due to not being shown off with all the other assist trophies, but I think that has to do with him being a unlockable assist trophy in the last game, which none of the unlockable assist trophies from Brawl have been shown off yet.
Elec Man is likely an unlockable AT.
 

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I NEVER said he didn't deserve it. I JUST got done saying that if Pac-Man gets in it will be because of his own merits. That does not translate to "Pac-Man has no merits." in the language that I speak.

And once again:

Objects represented by objects=/= Playable-Characters
I didn't imply you said Pac-Man didn't have merit, I was simply saying so.

Again, it's not that the items mean a character directly. However, there is good reason to assume that Namco, who would be getting items in the game, wouldn't get a character like Pac-Man as well.

It just makes sense. I myself can't see Namco simply getting items. I've always had the opinion that Pac-Man was in.

I GUESS you could say that I believe the items point towards a playable character. But I don't think the items alone would be able to solidify a character.
 

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I don't even have a problem with Pac-Man anymore. So you're mentality of "Doubts Pac-Man = Clearly just because he hates Pac-Man" annoys me and I find it to be very ignorant to assume that somebody doubts a character because they hate them or that somebody likes a character because they expect them or vice versa.
...what are you talking about? I'm not implying that at all.
 
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Well, in light of recent revelations, I decided to try and make a pure prediction roster of what I think will likely happen. However, I'm still a little unsure of what actually is likely and unlikely at this point. If I could get a little advice on this, I'd very much appreciate it.

View attachment 11917

Apologies for the out of date icons. Now as for why I think that these characters are likely (or unlikely)...

King K. Rool: I think he has the edge over Dixie at this point. The Kremlings in the Direct proved that he's more than likely in Sakurai's thoughts, which bodes very well for him.

No Zelda Newcomer: Probably wasn't that likely to begin with, and now that Sheik is separated from Zelda, it seems like she'll be taking up her own slot. I'm not ruling out a Zelda newcomer, but it's less than likely, I think.

No Ridley: Poor Ridley... At this point, it seems more likely that he's going to be a stage hazard than an actual character. I will say that it's not entirely impossible for Ridley to end up playable, though; I just kind of doubt it at this point.

Palutena: Ok, I'm going to say it; Palutena is the closest thing to a lock we have this time around. Everything is pointing to her inclusion now. It's only a matter of time, I think.

No Mewtwo: ...This kills me more than anything, having to take Mewtwo off my roster. With Greninja already being here, I just don't find Mewtwo to be more than likely. I can't say I'm expecting him anymore.

Chrom: I said this was a prediction roster, didn't I? Dang it. As much as I strongly support Robin's inclusion, I can't say he's more likely than Chrom. Since this is purely a prediction roster, I feel like I have to put Chrom over Robin.

Takamaru: Greninja may have taken a few possibilities from Takamaru, but I think he still has enough material to work with to make him plenty unique. Greninja's really borrowing more from Sheik than anyone else...

Still have Snake: I debated about this one, but here's what I think. The Direct confirmed that Sakurai is capable of outright lying to his fans. If Snake is in the game, it honestly wouldn't surprise me now if Sakurai told Kojima exactly what to say if asked about Snake's inclusion. It's devious, true, but it sure would build hype if Snake came back despite the odds, wouldn't it? ...I guess the same could be said for Ridley, but...

Pac-Man: He seems likely enough considering the Namco content in the game, and for all the other reasons he'd make a good pick.

So, that's what I have for my prediction roster so far. However, I still have those random spaces that are undecided at this point. Any ideas about what should go there? Mii? Mewtwo or Ridley? Nothing? Is there anything else that seems wrong for a prediction roster? I'd appreciate any feedback I could get.
No problem, I have old icons on mine as well, though that's because I'm lazy when it comes to characters already confirmed. Only one I actually imported to my new roster was Marshall. For reference, I'm talking about this one.

With that said, absolutely bring back Mewtwo to the roster. Gekkouga does not affect Mewtwo's chances of returning. Just because we got Gekkouga in doesn't mean that Mewtwo can't come back. Mewtwo is still the #1 most wanted character period (even more highly wanted than Mega Man was before he was confirmed) and that alone should be enough to get him in. If that's not enough for you, he's also highly relevant and has been promoted a lot in recent years. The Pokémon Company sees value in him, Sakurai sees value in him (since Mewtwo almost did get into Brawl, but was cut for time constraints) and fans are literally clamoring for him. There's also this:
Masahiro Sakurai is considering having Mewtwo return in the next Smash Bros. games.

During last week’s Pokémon X and Pokémon Y Developer Roundtable at E3 there was a Q & A session with Tsunekazu Ishihara, President and CEO of the Pokémon Company, and Junichi Masuda, Director at Game Freak. I was fortunate enough to ask the men the following question:

“Can you go into more detail on how Mewtwo changes forms, and would you like this new form to appear in the new Smash Bros.?”

Upon asking this question the audience burst into laughter. Both Tsunekazu Ishihara and Junichi Masuda also had a surprised look on their face and appeared to not know how to safely answer the question. Sakurai was also in the audience and looked as if he were thinking, “Oh man, not this again!” after the question was asked.

After a brief moment of silence, Ishihara and Masuda answered by saying they don’t have anything to announce about the new Pokémon (Mewtwo’s new form) today, and that they can’t speak on its appearance in other games. Sakurai then shouted out, from the audience, “We are thinking about it.”
He made similar comments to Pit before he got confirmed. Sakurai pretty much hinted as Mewtwo being playable here. If that isn't a return waiting to happen, I don't know what is.

I'd also consider adding Shulk, Chorus Guy and Mii, if nothing else, because they've all been leaked by Gematsu and that is a leak worth taking seriously for various reasons. Even if you don't believe in the leak, Mii's are still very likely showing up and Shulk is a serious contender as well. I'll go more into Mii's if you want.
 

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I guess I won't throw in the towel just yet. There's gonna be some 'splaining to do here so don't jump me just yet.

Well now that the ugly truth of cuts has come and gone, I've gotten over it and thought long and hard. Only three cuts from this one, Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Jigglypuff.
It came down to a very tough decision between Jiggs, Lucas, one of the spacies, or dropping a possible newcomer.

Mewtwo is still the most requested character, and he's been heavily promoted within the games, and in new movies, Jigglypuff got a new type and is a three-time veteran, but even a perfect attendee can miss out. Sure we can get six Pokemon reps, but Jiggs is just easier to lose than anyone else.

Of course the other rather large thing here is Ridley. In which case I'd like to point out a very recent quote from Sakurai himself that we all just heard.

"Zero Suit Samus will not be returning for this installment... Just kidding!"

This coupled with the blatant Palutena tease is just right up Sakurai's alley, he didn't even show Ridley off entirely even though he had no reason not to.

I'm sure others will make more compelling arguments to include Jiggs back, but the question is if they would rather Lucas/someone else gone instead.
Also in before Cliffjumper's "Jigglypuff can't be cut because I said so! I'm outta here!"
 

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I'm totally convinced that people use the fact that Pokemon TECHNICALLY had 6 characters as an excuse for it to have more than Mario on the character select screen.

I get told their "reasons", but I don't believe it. It's just an excuse to me. (also Sakurai saying there are 39 fighters total doesn't mean he doesn't care about how many are on the select screen.)
 

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I see a situation similar to Shadow in Brawl.
Ah, I see. I haven't done anything in vBrawl for so long so I've forgotten which ATs were unlockable.

Speaking of Elec(tric) Man, what do you guys think of the possibility of multiple ATs for third parties now? As boss as he is, Elec Man seems kind of odd for a choice for an AT(I would've gone with Bass, Proto Man, Zero, or maybe one of the MM Killers), so I have an itching feeling that he isn't alone. Plus Sakurai did say he wanted to include more ATs this time around...
 
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Ah, I see. I haven't done anything in vBrawl for so long so I've forgotten which ATs were unlockable.

Speaking of Elec(tric) Man, what do you guys think of the possibility of multiple ATs for third parties now? As boss as he is, Elec Man seems kind of odd for a choice for an AT(I would've gone with Bass, Proto Man, Zero, or maybe one of the MM Killers), so I have an itching feeling that he isn't alone. Plus Sakurai did say he wanted to include more ATs this time around...
I'd be all for it. Roll please.
 

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I think the point @ N3ON N3ON was trying to make was that if they went through the trouble of getting items in, why not a character then? Pac-Man is the obvious choice, as he is Namco's mascot.

He has plenty of reason to be added. He might seem lame, but that's not to say he doesn't deserve it.
Indubitably.

New roster because I figured out how to fit Pac-Man. Otherwise it's the same as the one I posted earlier.

man I feel so dirty including Pac instead of Lloyd
A roster with Isaac and Shulk? And no Chrom? I like very much.

I'm totally convinced that people use the fact that Pokemon TECHNICALLY had 6 characters as an excuse for it to have more than Mario on the character select screen.

I get told their "reasons", but I don't believe it. It's just an excuse to me. (also Sakurai saying there are 39 fighters total doesn't mean he doesn't care about how many are on the select screen.)
It doesn't need an excuse to have more characters... it's the second biggest series on the roster currently with many many more viable, popular and notable options than Mario, so if it gets one more character, that's entirely justified.
It's not like Mario is underrepresented.

And where is your proof Sakurai cares about slots anywhere near as much as characters?
 

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I'm totally convinced that people use the fact that Pokemon TECHNICALLY had 6 characters as an excuse for it to have more than Mario on the character select screen.

I get told their "reasons", but I don't believe it. It's just an excuse to me. (also Sakurai saying there are 39 fighters total doesn't mean he doesn't care about how many are on the select screen.)
Why such emphasis on technically? They had 6 characters, just how Zelda had 5, and Mario had 4.

And, as N30N said, how do you know if Sakurai cares about slot management?
 

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Eh I want to say something. But I will probably come of as a big jerkface if I did.......

Eh, I'm just going to avoid predicting the Pokemon stuff for now. I will just hope that Mewtwo and Jigglypuff can both make it in somehow....
 

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No problem, I have old icons on mine as well, though that's because I'm lazy when it comes to characters already confirmed. Only one I actually imported to my new roster was Marshall. For reference, I'm talking about this one.

With that said, absolutely bring back Mewtwo to the roster. Gekkouga does not affect Mewtwo's chances of returning. Just because we got Gekkouga in doesn't mean that Mewtwo can't come back. Mewtwo is still the #1 most wanted character period (even more highly wanted than Mega Man was before he was confirmed) and that alone should be enough to get him in. If that's not enough for you, he's also highly relevant and has been promoted a lot in recent years. The Pokémon Company sees value in him, Sakurai sees value in him (since Mewtwo almost did get into Brawl, but was cut for time constraints) and fans are literally clamoring for him. There's also this:
He made similar comments to Pit before he got confirmed. Sakurai pretty much hinted as Mewtwo being playable here. If that isn't a return waiting to happen, I don't know what is.

I'd also consider adding Shulk, Chorus Guy and Mii, if nothing else, because they've all been leaked by Gematsu and that is a leak worth taking seriously for various reasons. Even if you don't believe in the leak, Mii's are still very likely showing up and Shulk is a serious contender as well. I'll go more into Mii's if you want.
Well, I'm very much aware of the situation Mewtwo is in. All the evidence would suggest he's an ideal candidate for the game.

...But at the same time, almost no one expected another Pokemon newcomer to join the roster. This did shake things up a bit, and now the roster is a bit more crowded for Mewtwo. At this point, I think the final scenario will ultimately be one of these:

1.) Jigglypuff returns, no Mewtwo. Basically, we lose part of the Pokemon Trainer and just add Greninja as a newcomer to represent something cool from the latest generation. Jigglypuff stays due to veteran status and being kind of an icon to the series. Mewtwo gets left out due to lack of space.

2.) Mewtwo returns, Jigglypuff gets the axe. We exchange the puffball that no one seemed to like for the most wanted character in the world. Or perhaps we cut Jigglypuff for Greninja... Anyway, Mewtwo makes it back in due to recent prominence and fan demand, and Jigglypuff gets left out due to being moderately unpopular as a Smash character and lack of space on the roster.

3.) Jigglypuff and Mewtwo return. As Pokemon did technically have six characters in Brawl, Sakurai decides to bring back Mewtwo due to fan demand and recent prominence, as well as introducing Greninja as a newcomer to represent the newest generation and to fill the void left by the absence of Squirtle and Ivysaur.

At the moment, I'm thinking scenario #1 is the most likely. I would think that Mewtwo would be enough to satisfy the fanbase, so why is Greninja here? If Mewtwo is indeed in the game, why was another Pokemon newcomer added to the roster? Did we really need both Mewtwo and Greninja added in? Why not take the effort put into Greninja and put it into something else from a different series? Unless, I'm thinking, Mewtwo isn't in the game and Greninja is all we're getting. I'm also hesitant to think that Jigglypuff would get cut for Mewtwo, partially due to veteran status. I'm not saying either of the latter scenarios are impossible, and perhaps my reasoning is just pessimistic fears and nothing more, but I still need some convincing before I can begin expecting Mewtwo in this game. I don't want to get my hopes up for something that isn't likely... This is my most wanted character we're dealing with...
 

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Hey guys first post. My main in brawl and melee was falco. Do you think i could get a few reasons about either he being confirmed or reasons why he wont be rejoining the fight. thanks it is greatly appreciated
 

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Hey guys first post. My main in brawl and melee was falco. Do you think i could get a few reasons about either he being confirmed or reasons why he wont be rejoining the fight. thanks it is greatly appreciated
Dunno. He's like the secondary character for the Star Fox series, so that could be a reason for his return.

On the other hand, Wolf in Brawl was more unique than Falco, so a... few people think Wolf is likely to get in over Falco.

As for me, I think he's likely to return. Wolf seems likely to return too, even though he was apparently "low priority" in Brawl's development.

And welcome to the fourms!

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Hey guys first post. My main in brawl and melee was falco. Do you think i could get a few reasons about either he being confirmed or reasons why he wont be rejoining the fight. thanks it is greatly appreciated
Welcome!
I believe Falco's returning. He might be a bit cloney, but he's important enough in the StarFox franchise to stay.
 

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I guess I won't throw in the towel just yet. There's gonna be some 'splaining to do here so don't jump me just yet.

Well now that the ugly truth of cuts has come and gone, I've gotten over it and thought long and hard. Only three cuts from this one, Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Jigglypuff.
It came down to a very tough decision between Jiggs, Lucas, one of the spacies, or dropping a possible newcomer.

Mewtwo is still the most requested character, and he's been heavily promoted within the games, and in new movies, Jigglypuff got a new type and is a three-time veteran, but even a perfect attendee can miss out. Sure we can get six Pokemon reps, but Jiggs is just easier to lose than anyone else.

Of course the other rather large thing here is Ridley. In which case I'd like to point out a very recent quote from Sakurai himself that we all just heard.

"Zero Suit Samus will not be returning for this installment... Just kidding!"

This coupled with the blatant Palutena tease is just right up Sakurai's alley, he didn't even show Ridley off entirely even though he had no reason not to.

I'm sure others will make more compelling arguments to include Jiggs back, but the question is if they would rather Lucas/someone else gone instead.
Also in before Cliffjumper's "Jigglypuff can't be cut because I said so! I'm outta here!"
Id replace takamaru with jigglypuff but it looks good.
 

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Okay, after many changes and updates, I have my roster I'm keeping. Ridley is a bit of a dark horse now that he's been "deconfirmed" but personally, I think it's still possible. But it's either him or RANDOM. Until I see an explicit comment by Sakurai, he's still got a shot in my eyes.

Here we are. Newcomers in RED.
 
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The top left group is my roster, 52 characters. The 3 question mark slots go to 3 of the 6 characters on the right, I haven't decided which, I'd like feedback.
The bottom characters are honorable mentions. Maybe some of them could be DLC or something.
 

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Okay, after many changes and updates, I have my roster I'm keeping. Ridley is a bit of a dark horse now that he's been "deconfirmed" but personally, I think it's still possible. But it's either him or RANDOM. Until I see an explicit comment by Sakurai, he's still got a shot in my eyes.

Here we are. Newcomers in RED.
Huh...this looks familiar somehow...

 
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The top left group is my roster, 52 characters. The 3 question mark slots go to 3 of the 6 characters on the right, I haven't decided which, I'd like feedback.
The bottom characters are honorable mentions. Maybe some of them could be DLC or something.
Ah, it's good to see Toad in a roster again, and it's nice to see Vaati as your honorable mention too, I guess.
 

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The top left group is my roster, 52 characters. The 3 question mark slots go to 3 of the 6 characters on the right, I haven't decided which, I'd like feedback.
The bottom characters are honorable mentions. Maybe some of them could be DLC or something.
Here's the three I would pick from the bottom:

1. Wolf, he's one of the big antagonists in Star Fox. Also, he's actually more unique than Falco IMO.

2. Bandana Dee, I think Kirby deserves four reps. Bandana Dee plays larger roles in some of the newer Kirby games I believe. He can do some pretty cool stuff with his spear and the fact that Dedede doesn't throw Waddle Dee's anymore helps him.

3. Paper Mario, he could represent the underrepresented Mario RPG's. With a huge possibility of a unique moveset. Also, while being part of the Mario Franchise, his icon could appear different or at least his victory music could differ like Meta Knight. I'm one of those people who think the Mario franchise deserved five reps in Brawl and six reps in this installment. It may still be Mario, but people accept Toon Link(He may be important to the series but they could've differentiated him from Link even more) and Toon Zelda as a possibility. Paper Mario is also highly requested in Japan. At least that's what I've seen. . . And the fact that's he's my most wanted ;)

I'd mention Vaati, Squirtle, Dixie, Lucas and Robin. I think they're deserving as well.
 
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This is the problem I have with these rosters, they have a habit of being too similar.
I'm enjoying the similarities it's cool to see that everyone on smashboards are in the same boat on character predictions.
These are the rosters I want everyone of them are logical and cool and there are no out there characters as far as I can see on any of these rosters.
 
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