Character Discussion Thread

[Nu~]

I know no one will listen to me in the first place, because just like every leak and every hint us fans know everything. No we don't know if Pacman is playable, so there is a allowance to deny it. No one is a lock especially Pacman.



I'm not going to trust a leak that says Pacman will be in the game. Especially one that said he was going to be announced at E3, and yet he didn't.

Especially pac-man? lol the bias is strong in this one. but this is coming from a person who put micaiah in their roster out if sheer want. There are a million other reasons besides the leak you know, please don't be blinded by your hatred.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I think it is far fetched though. I can find the article or video or whatever if you want but Sakurai has stated something like Brawl's roster size is already reaching the upper limits of what is practical. So seeing as how Brawl has 39 playable characters, I think the most we can realistically hope for is 42.

Do you have any idea how many characters would need to be cut in order for the roster to be that tiny?

The math has been done. The smallest roster I would predict is 45.

Welcome to Smashboards btw

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

If you're saying the AT thing, I'm pretty sure Mr. Resetti was "evidence" Villager would be playable in Brawl.

Yeah, but Namco is still helping with a lot of the game. Sega didn't help much with the game and they got Sonic.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Especially pac-man? lol the bias is strong in this one. but this is coming from a person who put michaiah in their roster out if sheer want. There are a million other reasons besides the leak you know, please don't be blinded by your hatred.

I see only 3 of them:
-Namco is working on the game
-Namco has AT's and items in the game
-The leak.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

I see only 3 of them:
-Namco is working on the game
-Namco has AT's and items in the game
-The leak.

All of which make a huge difference. You see, Sonic only had one assist. And no items.

 

[FalKoopa]

I think K Rool is more likely than Dixie. Why do you think she is more likely? Also, why no Mewtwo?

The only thing that is preventing the roster from being an acceptablt one is the lack of Mewtwo. Dixie Kong is okay, although I do think K. Rool is more likely.

 

[The Light Music Club]

All of which make a huge difference.

No it doesn't because you don't have to be working on the game to get a character. Solid Snake and Sonic prove that. The leak doesn't mean a darn thing anyhow, since unlike Palutena leak (the only leak I do believe) this has no photo! I didn't realize typed words of some random stranger just have to be trusted. With the assist trophies, I still don't think that really helps him much at all. Namco is working on the game, so yes they can have some representation, but Sakurai isn't picking every 3rd party he can think of. I mean Snake may have even gotten cut. This is a Nintendo game, we don't really need three third party characters, let alone four.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I'm going to redownload Roster Maker later and make one myself. Now that a couple free spots have opened up, I think we'll have a surprising but good roster by the end of it.

 

[Andinus]

Welcome to Smashboards. I can tell you're new not only because of your join date but because that's what EVERYONE says when they come here.
A 42 slot roster? No way man. Sakurai and his team have been making great progress on this game and seem to be revealing surprise newcomers and fan-favorites.
Cuts are minimal since Toon Link and Lucario are returning, and there are just too many great character choices to limit the roster to 42.
So just rethink that, please. I'm sure your opinion will change once you hang out here for a while.

Thank you for the welcome. Here is the quote I was talking about. And honestly I do hope I am wrong, but I have trouble believing otherwise when this statement came from the man himself.

“It isn’t a matter of ‘if the next game has 50 characters, that’ll be enough.’ There is a certain charm to games that have huge casts of playable characters, but they tend to have issues with game balance and it becomes very difficult to fine-tune each character and have them all feel distinctive…. In terms of quantity, we’ve probably already reached the limit of what’s feasible. I think a change of direction may be what’s needed.” - Masahiro Sakurai

 

[Nu~]

I see only 3 of them:
-Namco is working on the game
-Namco has AT's and items in the game
-The leak.

Pacman is the mascot of namco which makes him the default namco choice for a representitive, the history between nintendo and namco (especially donkey kong and pacman rivalry), and then there are a large number of smaller reasons like sakurai's love of "retro characters", and the opportunity for the 4 biggest icons in 80's and 90's gaming to duke it out. Feel free to stop by the pacman for ssb4 thread for more reasons. The pacfans would love to enlighten you.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Pacman is the mascot of namco which makes him the default namco choice for a representitive, the history between nintendo and namco (especially donkey kong and pacman rivalry), and then there are a large number of smaller reasons like sakurai's love of "retro characters", and the opportunity for the 4 biggest icons in 80's and 90's gaming to duke it out. Feel free to stop by the pacman for ssb4 thread for more reasons. The pacfans would love to enlighten you.

"It made many fans happy, and it broadened the Smash Bros arena. However, introducing more non-Nintendo characters willy-nilly will lose the focus of the game, so I also recognise the need to narrow it down."- Sakurai

We won't have anymore third parties, unless Snake comes back that is my opinion on that quote. And why would I ever go to a Pacman thread that states that one of his possible move sets is just a jumble of moves from characters already in the game?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Thank you for the welcome. Here is the quote I was talking about. And honestly I do hope I am wrong, but I have trouble believing otherwise when this statement came from the man himself.
“It isn’t a matter of ‘if the next game has 50 characters, that’ll be enough.’ There is a certain charm to games that have huge casts of playable characters, but they tend to have issues with game balance and it becomes very difficult to fine-tune each character and have them all feel distinctive…. In terms of quantity, we’ve probably already reached the limit of what’s feasible. I think a change of direction may be what’s needed.” - Masahiro Sakurai

Honestly, I wouldn't worry about that quote at all. Sakurai has a much bigger and experienced team this time. They aren't going to be cutting characters left and right.

Think about it. They would have to cut SOOOO many characters to stay around 39 characters. They already have 29 characters. Captain Falcon, Ness or Lucas, Meta Knight, Wario, at least one of Falco or Wolf...they're all basically guaranteed. That alone gives us a current roster of 34 if you only take one of Falco/Wolf and Ness/Lucas. The newcomers we have already have us at 40, and there is no sign that we're done just yet.

Expect at least a roster of 45.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

The only thing that is preventing the roster from being an acceptablt one is the lack of Mewtwo.

Well, I wouldn't say he's as likely as he used to be.

 

[FlareHabanero]

People expecting 90% of the roster to be scrapped? What is this, 2006?

 

[FalKoopa]

People expecting 90% of the roster to be scrapped? What is this, 2006?

They say history repeats itself.

 

[Parmite]

I've been thinking about it, and while we're on the subject of Namco, what about Dig Dug?

Sakurai has obviously taken a liking to retro Namco stuff, so why not put Dig Dug in there? I think his moveset could be cool, using his pump to pump opponents damage up, and maybe throwing his enemies at people. Also, it would make for a cool stage.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

“Just because the game is being cooperatively developed with Namco Bandai involved, that doesn’t at all mean that they’d be given any special consideration for having characters in the game. Smash Bros. can still be considered as an all-star collection of Nintendo characters. Just like with Mega Man or any other third-party character, it would have to be a very special situation.”
-Mesa Hero Soccer Eye

 

[N3ON]

“Just because the game is being cooperatively developed with Namco Bandai involved, that doesn’t at all mean that they’d be given any special consideration for having characters in the game. Smash Bros. can still be considered as an all-star collection of Nintendo characters. Just like with Mega Man or any other third-party character, it would have to be a very special situation.”
-Mah Za Hero Soccer Eye

What very special situation allowed for random Namco items?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

What very special situation allowed for random Namco items?

Items =/= Playable frikin' characters.

 

[FalKoopa]

“Just because the game is being cooperatively developed with Namco Bandai involved, that doesn’t at all mean that they’d be given any special consideration for having characters in the game. Smash Bros. can still be considered as an all-star collection of Nintendo characters. Just like with Mega Man or any other third-party character, it would have to be a very special situation.”
-Mah Za Hero Soccer Eye

To be fair, 4 3rd parties in a roster of 45-50 charcters doesn't throw the character balance out of whack.

 

[Louie G.]

“Just because the game is being cooperatively developed with Namco Bandai involved, that doesn’t at all mean that they’d be given any special consideration for having characters in the game. Smash Bros. can still be considered as an all-star collection of Nintendo characters. Just like with Mega Man or any other third-party character, it would have to be a very special situation.”
-Mesa Hero Soccer Eye

Of course Pac-Man qualifies as a "special situation".

 

[N3ON]

Items =/= Playable frikin' characters.

Right, all that legal work for nothing more than items. Even if the content is minor, it's still an effort to procure third-party stuff.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

To be fair, 4 3rd parties in a roster of 45-50 charcters doesn't throw the character balance out of whack.

Did anything in that comment suggest that it did.

Of course Pac-Man qualifies as a "special situation".

That's my point. People here aren't like "Pac-Man will probably get in because of his special situation", it's just "There has to be a Namco rep. Who's gonna be the Namco rep?"

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

No it doesn't because you don't have to be working on the game to get a character. Solid Snake and Sonic prove that. The leak doesn't mean a darn thing anyhow, since unlike Palutena leak (the only leak I do believe) this has no photo! I didn't realize typed words of some random stranger just have to be trusted. With the assist trophies, I still don't think that really helps him much at all. Namco is working on the game, so yes they can have some representation, but Sakurai isn't picking every 3rd party he can think of. I mean Snake may have even gotten cut. This is a Nintendo game, we don't really need three third party characters, let alone four.

Actually, it does prove that, since they're going to get more recognition for doing that. It's not really the leak that made me put him on my roaster, but the other two major facts. The AT's do help him since there's multiple ones and items to go along with them as well. Snake is the most likely cut, and if he is Pac will probably replace him, that's 3 third party characters, which isn't too much, seeing that this Smash will probably have a very large roaster and it's not going to make the game unplayable or anything. Pac-Man is qualified to be a third party character in Smash.

"It made many fans happy, and it broadened the Smash Bros arena. However, introducing more non-Nintendo characters willy-nilly will lose the focus of the game, so I also recognise the need to narrow it down."- Sakurai

We won't have anymore third parties, unless Snake comes back that is my opinion on that quote. And why would I ever go to a Pacman thread that states that one of his possible move sets is just a jumble of moves from characters already in the game?

Or you can size it up, so the ratio of third parties decreases

I've been thinking about it, and while we're on the subject of Namco, what about Dig Dug?

2:37 In Brawl
3:approx50 In Smash 4 if Snake is cut

Sakurai has obviously taken a liking to retro Namco stuff, so why not put Dig Dug in there? I think his moveset could be cool, using his pump to pump opponents damage up, and maybe throwing his enemies at people. Also, it would make for a cool stage.

I like Dig Dug, he would be cool. His chances are slim though.

Items =/= Playable frikin' characters.

But:
Items+AT's+Working on the game = Characters

 

[FalKoopa]

Did anything in that comment suggest that it did.

I thought you meant that getting a Namco charcter along with Snake, Sonic and Mega MAn would be too much.

 

[FlareHabanero]

They say history repeats itself.

People should learn from past mistakes, not enforce it.

 

[Nu~]

"It made many fans happy, and it broadened the Smash Bros arena. However, introducing more non-Nintendo characters willy-nilly will lose the focus of the game, so I also recognise the need to narrow it down."- Sakurai

We won't have anymore third parties, unless Snake comes back that is my opinion on that quote. And why would I ever go to a Pacman thread that states that one of his possible move sets is just a jumble of moves from characters already in the game?

All he means by this is that he will not add any random 3rd parties such as ryu or bayonneta. Pac-man's got the history and importance that megaman had. And you clearly haven't been to the pacman thread if you think none of us have the imagination to give him a moveset. And check cyber wolf's or my moveset in the pac man thread to see how wrong you are about us.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

They say history repeats itself.

No, it rhymes.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Right, all that legal work for nothing more than items. Even if the content is minor, it's still an effort to procure third-party stuff.

I don't think you are properly interpreting my comment. Sakurai will add random Namco characters as items, but if a Namco character becomes playable it's going to be because of THEIR merits. Not "Oh, he's Namco's mascot, gotta have him".

Getting items from a company that's already the one working on the game isn't very difficult and has nothing to do with playable characters. Adding items for being Namco is not the same as adding characters for being Namco.

I thought you meant that getting a Namco charcter along with Snake, Sonic and Mega MAn would be too much.

Is that what Sakurai said? How did you decipher that???

 

[N3ON]

Yes, it was misinterpreted. Very rarely is that quote posted without an anti-Pac-Man sentiment accompanying it, especially if no extra context is given.

 

[FalKoopa]

Getting items from a company that's already the one working on the game isn't very difficult and has nothing to do with playable characters. Adding items for being Namco is not the same as adding characters for being Namco.

Actually, you do need to do the same amount of work. It boils down to getting the license for the said character, be it an assist trophy, an item or a playable character.

 

[Nu~]

I don't think you are properly interpreting my comment. Sakurai will add random Namco characters as items, but if a Namco character becomes playable it's going to be because of THEIR merits. Not "Oh, he's Namco's mascot, gotta have him".

Getting items from a company that's already the one working on the game isn't very difficult and has nothing to do with playable characters. Adding items for being Namco is not the same as adding characters for being Namco.


Is that what Sakurai said? How did you decipher that???

Exactly, but some people think pacman isnt "special" enough. That is what i find rediculous.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I don't think you are properly interpreting my comment. Sakurai will add random Namco characters as items, but if a Namco character becomes playable it's going to be because of THEIR merits. Not "Oh, he's Namco's mascot, gotta have him".

Getting items from a company that's already the one working on the game isn't very difficult and has nothing to do with playable characters. Adding items for being Namco is not the same as adding characters for being Namco.


Is that what Sakurai said? How did you decipher that???

I think the point @ N3ON was trying to make was that if they went through the trouble of getting items in, why not a character then? Pac-Man is the obvious choice, as he is Namco's mascot.

He has plenty of reason to be added. He might seem lame, but that's not to say he doesn't deserve it.

 

[Nu~]

Actually, you do need to do the same amount of work. It boils down to getting the license for the said character, be it an assist trophy, an item or a character.

My thoughts exactly. I believe that if you went through all the paper work to get assist trophies from your company in the game, why wouldn't you add your mascot while your at it to fully represent your company in smash bros as a whole.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

Exactly, but some people think pacman isnt "special" enough. That is what i find rediculous.

Yet he is, as he is the main mascot of Namco.

You know, the fact that Namco is assisting the creation of the game is a huge f**king deal, I don't think people understand that.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Pac-Man is the opportunity of a lifetime, I don't think Sakurai would avoid it, even if he's not that spectacular in terms of moveset.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Obviously with all the Galaga references we're going to get the space ship as a playable character.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

Pac-Man is the opportunity of a lifetime, I don't think Sakurai would avoid it, even if he's not that spectacular in terms of moveset.

Check the Pac-Man support thread. @ Nu~ mentioned about good movesets on there.

Leaving the subject of Pack, what are some good retro characters? It's quite random at this point.

 

[Andinus]

Honestly, I wouldn't worry about that quote at all. Sakurai has a much bigger and experienced team this time. They aren't going to be cutting characters left and right.

Think about it. They would have to cut SOOOO many characters to stay around 39 characters. They already have 29 characters. Captain Falcon, Ness or Lucas, Meta Knight, Wario, at least one of Falco or Wolf...they're all basically guaranteed. That alone gives us a current roster of 34 if you only take one of Falco/Wolf and Ness/Lucas. The newcomers we have already have us at 40, and there is no sign that we're done just yet.

Expect at least a roster of 45.

One of my posts in this thread #18038 , with assuming a max roster possibility of 42 I basically figured we would end up with having 5-6 characters cut, and be left with 2-3 new people to be announced from here on out to equal a total of 42. I don't think the cutting 5-6 characters is really so many. We already know some are not going to be returning for sure, and the fact is 5 characters were cut from melee to brawl (mewtwo, pichu, roy, young link, dr. mario).

To me, with the release only a few months away now, having 2-3 new characters in their pocket to announce sounds about right. I bet we will get one at E3 and the remaining two will be announced just before release, or be an in game surprise, possibly along with 1-2 unannounced returning veterans.

Again I will say, I would love to see a roster of 50 plus, but at this point having 21 or more unannounced characters doesn't seem right. I wish I could remember how they did it with brawl. I remember feeling like wolf and snake were in game surprises..

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Sorry Charlie! I still doubt a sixth character from any franchise, I'll believe it when I see it