Character Discussion Thread

[Sharkarat]

Nintendo buying up SEGA would make them Nintendo characters, they'd just be second party. It's also worth noting that Sonic is the second most popular franchise involved in Smash, so Sakurai putting in more Sonic characters when Nintendo owns SEGA would be a big mistake.

But Nintendo doesn't own SEGA.
Also both Pokemon and Mario is bigger than Sonic, so he would be third not second.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Once again, not really.
Ever notice that when people talk about Shulk or Wonder Red, they pull up Monolith Soft and Platinum Game respectively?
That's because technically, they're not.
They're part of Nintendo sure, but they aren't Nintendo.

uh nintendo owns monolith soft

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Sonic debate?

Anyways, as far as potential newcomer ATs are confirmed, could Wonder Red be one?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Once again, not really.
Ever notice that when people talk about Shulk or Wonder Red, they pull up Monolith Soft and Platinum Game respectively?
That's because technically, they're not.
They're part of Nintendo sure, but they aren't Nintendo.

If you own the company who owns the characters, you own the characters themselves.

 

[Autumn ♫]

It's also worth noting that Sonic is the second most popular franchise involved in Smash

I think someone forgot about Pokemon and Zelda.

 

[TheTuninator]

Pardon my French, but may I ask for evidence?

Basic laws of business?

 

[Substitution]

uh nintendo owns monolith soft

If you own the company who owns the characters, you own the characters themselves.

Fine, I'll admit I'm wrong.
But even with that, do you think we'll really get two Xenoblade reps in the same game? Or two Wonderful 101 reps?
Or better yet, do you really think Sakurai will stop the game at it's tracks to bring in some Sonic character because of a theory that Nintendo might buy Sega?

Also, nice to know you'll target me on that.
When there's the rest of the post you've completely ignored.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Fine, I'll admit I'm wrong.
But even with that, do you think we'll really get two Xenoblade reps in the same game? Or two Wonderful 101 reps?
Or better yet, do you really think Sakurai will stop the game at it's tracks to bring in some Sonic character because of a theory that Nintendo might buy Sega?

Also, nice to know you'll target me on that.
When there's the rest of the post you've completely ignored.

I was only targetting that to correct you; I wasn't trying to disprove anything else.

Nintendo does not own platinum (At least, last I checked). Nintendo does own Monolith Soft. Two Xenoblade reps? No. Two X reps? Not that plausible this time around, but it's not implausible for the future.

And Sega ain't getting bought out anyways or we would have known about it sooner. I was just suggesting that for the future. Honestly, asides from Pac-Man, third-parties are on the edge now.

 

[N3ON]

Was anyone actually suggesting a second Xenoblade or W101 character?

 

[Sharkarat]

Fine, I'll admit I'm wrong.
But even with that, do you think we'll really get two Xenoblade reps in the same game? Or two Wonderful 101 reps?
Or better yet, do you really think Sakurai will stop the game at it's tracks to bring in some Sonic character because of a theory that Nintendo might buy Sega?

Also, nice to know you'll target me on that.
When there's the rest of the post you've completely ignored.

No one think or argued that those would get two rep so I have no idea why you would bring that up.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I think someone forgot about Pokemon and Zelda.

[BUZZER] You lose! Better luck next time!

Fine, I'll admit I'm wrong.
But even with that, do you think we'll really get two Xenoblade reps in the same game? Or two Wonderful 101 reps?
Or better yet, do you really think Sakurai will stop the game at it's tracks to bring in some Sonic character because of a theory that Nintendo might buy Sega?

Also, nice to know you'll target me on that.
When there's the rest of the post you've completely ignored.

i admit, even if Nintendo does buy up SEGA between now and the release of this smash, Sakurai would likely apologize, ask for understanding, and promise to add more for Smash 5.

 

[Substitution]

Was anyone actually suggesting a second Xenoblade or W101 character?

No one think or argued that those would get two rep so I have no idea why you would bring that up.

Exactly.
We don't. Because one rep is enough.

[BUZZER] You lose! Better luck next time!

Once again.
Your opinions =/= fact.

i admit, even if Nintendo does buy up SEGA between now and the release of this smash, Sakurai would likely apologize, ask for understanding, and promise to add more for Smash 5.

Or, we just don't get a rep.
He doesn't need to apologize about anything. We can live without two Sonic reps in Smash.

 

[TheTuninator]

[BUZZER] You lose! Better luck next time!

Pokemon sells far better than Sonic. X&Y moved, what, 12 million copies? Sonic has a very vocal fanbase, and used to be huge, but he's not quite as big a deal anymore.

 

[Banjodorf]

Nintendo buying up SEGA would make them Nintendo characters, they'd just be second party. It's also worth noting that Sonic is the second most popular franchise involved in Smash, .

The bolded part isn't going to happen, at least any time soon. If Sega is still at the point where they can parent other companies (i.e. Atlus, etc.) Sega isn't going anywhere.

As for the second part, unless you forgot about Pokemon, Zelda and probably Donkey Kong, I'm not really sure what you mean by "2nd". And if you honestly honestly believe that, then you're being delusional and overhype the loud, infamous fanbase Sonic is now known for.

 

[N3ON]

Sonic is bigger than Zelda. Mario, Pokemon, and Wii are bigger than Sonic.

Exactly.
We don't. Because one rep is enough.

You were the only one to bring up multiple reps for those series....

 

[Banjodorf]

Sonic is bigger than Zelda. Mario, Pokemon, and Wii are bigger than Sonic.


You were the only one to bring up multiple reps for those series....

Oh that's right...I always forget about the Casual Wii series.

Interesting about Zelda though. Do we have actual sales data to compare the two?

Although I think the word Cliffjumper used was "popular", which I'm not entirely convinced of. Perhaps it's the negative reputation rubbing off on me. (Which is only being pushed further right now.)

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

The bolded part isn't going to happen, at least any time soon. If Sega is still at the point where they can parent other companies (i.e. Atlus, etc.) Sega isn't going anywhere.

You do not know Satoru Iwata, therefore you would not have knowledge of the matter.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

You do not know Satoru Iwata, therefore you would not have knowledge of the matter.

Well to be fair, neither do you. We're talking about Smash 4 here, and signs don't point at Nintendo buying SEGA. Granted, if anybody DID buy SEGA, it probably would be Nintendo, but regardless of whether that happens or not, it isn't going to effect Smash 4.

That said, talking about 3rd parties, does anybody else think Snake will be at E3?

 

[Banjodorf]

You do not know Satoru Iwata, therefore you would not have knowledge of the matter.

Alright now. It's perfectly fine to want something, but to rebut a perfectly valid criticism of...what I hope is just a theory of yours with what essentially amounts to "You don't know that! Anything can happen." is a little uncalled for.

@ Scoliosis Jones

He might! We'll just have to wait and see. As far as I'm concerned, anything's possible with Veterans right now, including those named Mewtwo and Snake.

 

[N3ON]

Oh that's right...I always forget about the Casual Wii series.

Interesting about Zelda though. Do we have actual sales data to compare the two?

Although I think the word Cliffjumper used was "popular", which I'm not entirely convinced of. Perhaps it's the negative reputation rubbing off on me. (Which is only being pushed further right now.)

Nowadays Zelda and DK both probably outclass Sonic in terms of commercial reception per game... which technically could mean they are currently more "popular" series... but cumulatively Sonic has outsold Zelda by several million, the former being at roughly 85 and the latter at 68.

At least according to Wikipedia, which could be off, but probably isn't off enough for Zelda to overtake Sonic given the discrepancy.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Alright now. It's perfectly fine to want something, but to rebut a perfectly valid criticism of...what I hope is just a theory of yours with what essentially amounts to "You don't know that! Anything can happen." is a little uncalled for.

My apologies.

 

[Sharkarat]

Interesting about Zelda though. Do we have actual sales data to compare the two?

The easiest I could find.
Sonic
Zelda
And for comparision Pokemon

You do not know Satoru Iwata, therefore you would not have knowledge of the matter.

You neither, so I've no idea on why you keep using Nintendo buying Sega as an argument.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Well to be fair, neither do you. We're talking about Smash 4 here, and signs don't point at Nintendo buying SEGA. Granted, if anybody DID buy SEGA, it probably would be Nintendo, but regardless of whether that happens or not, it isn't going to effect Smash 4.

That said, talking about 3rd parties, does anybody else think Snake will be at E3?

If he isn't shown before then and Pac-Man isn't shown at E3, then yes.

 

[Banjodorf]

Nowadays Zelda and DK both probably outclass Sonic in terms of commercial reception per game... which technically could mean they are currently more "popular" series... but cumulatively Sonic has outsold Zelda by several million, the former being at roughly 85 and the latter at 68.

At least according to Wikipedia, which could be off, but probably isn't off enough for Zelda to overtake Sonic given the discrepancy.

Well that's certainly interesting. If current trends continue I'm not sure Sonic will overtake them for much longer. If memory serves, DK as a whole was at ~54 million sales, also.

Either way, the odds of:

A. Another sonic rep
B. Nintendo buying Sega, and therefore adding another Sonic rep to SSB4 are incredibly low. It's just realistic.

The easiest I could find.
Sonic
Zelda
And for comparision Pokemon
You neither, so I've no idea on why you keep using Nintendo buying Sega as an argument.

Whelp. I'd better not hear anyone say Sonic > Pokemon any time soon, because it's just not even close to true here.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Not that it's all that significant, but has anybody else noticed that we've received fewer Melee vets than Brawl? We've only gotten Bowser, Peach, Zelda, and Sheik. I mean I guess Toon Link counts...

Then again, there aren't many left. You've got Ice Climbers, Falco, Game & Watch, Ganondorf...Mewtwo.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

That said, talking about 3rd parties, does anybody else think Snake will be at E3?

Can't believe I'm saying this, but after the direct, I feel like SSB4 will be amazing, even without Snake and Pokemon Trainer.

I'm not really expecting him anymore, after Kojima's comment about Sakurai not contacting him yet...

I'll sure miss him though, along with any other possibly cut characters or non-returning veterans . ;_;

I'm also tempted to say "Ridley, Paultena, and other popular characters will most likely be shown this E3. It'd increase sales so much! Last year only had Mega Man, but this time will be different!"
But really...I can't say I know what to expect for E3. A newcomer is inevitable, but who knows if we'll get two or three or only one?


Please Sakurai, add Snake and Mewtwo. For me. Add as many veterans as you can. Even the Melee clones.

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[N3ON]

Well that's certainly interesting. If current trends continue I'm not sure Sonic will overtake them for much longer. If memory serves, DK as a whole was at ~54 million sales, also.

Either way, the odds of:

A. Another sonic rep
B. Nintendo buying Sega, and therefore adding another Sonic rep to SSB4 are incredibly low. It's just realistic.

Part of it is also that Sonic gets games a lot more frequently than the other two, and each of his games still usually sells between 1 and 3 mil. Zelda and DK do better, but are less common.

And yeah, I agree with both of those statements. I'm not even convinced Nintendo is interested in buying anybody, they sure don't seem to be, but I'd love to be wrong. They could use more devs on their team.

Not that it's all that significant, but has anybody else noticed that we've received fewer Melee vets than Brawl? We've only gotten Bowser, Peach, Zelda, and Sheik. I mean I guess Toon Link counts...

Then again, there aren't many left. You've got Ice Climbers, Falco, Game & Watch, Ganondorf...Mewtwo.

Well to be fair... there aren't as many Melee vets as Brawl vets. There were only 14 newcomers in Melee, and four of the cut ones likely aren't returning.
We've also got Marth btw.

 

[Deleted member]

Well to be fair, neither do you. We're talking about Smash 4 here, and signs don't point at Nintendo buying SEGA. Granted, if anybody DID buy SEGA, it probably would be Nintendo, but regardless of whether that happens or not, it isn't going to effect Smash 4.

That said, talking about 3rd parties, does anybody else think Snake will be at E3?

Considering that Sonic was given a mini-trailer, this seems like a good time to reveal Snake at, if he's in that is.

 

[Miffa]

And yeah, I agree with both of those statements. I'm not even convinced Nintendo is interested in buying anybody, they sure don't seem to be, but I'd love to be wrong. They could use more devs on their team.

didn't Nintendo say earlier this year they want to buy more studios.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

didn't Nintendo say earlier this year they want to buy more studios.

Of course since they know damn well that the Wii U is the new Virtual Boy/Gamecube and they need to fix the problem immediately.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Whelp. I'd better not hear anyone say Sonic > Pokemon any time soon, because it's just not even close to true here.

Just let it go if it annoys you, people will say that and refuse to believe they're wrong.

 

[N3ON]

didn't Nintendo say earlier this year they want to buy more studios.

I think they said they were planning to license out their characters more... but yeah, they also mentioned looking for new partnerships or something along those lines. That doesn't necessarily means acquiring studios, but it's a possibility.

I'll believe it when I see it, the only studio they've bothered purchasing in like the last decade has been Monolith.

 

[Miffa]

I think they said they were planning to license out their characters more... but yeah, they also mentioned looking for new partnerships or something along those lines. That doesn't necessarily means acquiring studios, but it's a possibility.

I'll believe it when I see it, the only studio they've bothered purchasing in like the last decade has been Monolith.

this is what i found http://au.ign.com/articles/2014/01/31/nintendo-to-consider-mergers-and-acquisitions-iwata-says i don't know if it means studios exactly.

 

[Banjodorf]

Just let it go if it annoys you, people will say that and refuse to believe they're wrong.

To be perfectly honest, I've never heard anyone say something like that until today, and looking at the data, I just don't like people being asinine.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Not that it's all that significant, but has anybody else noticed that we've received fewer Melee vets than Brawl? We've only gotten Bowser, Peach, Zelda, and Sheik. I mean I guess Toon Link counts...

Then again, there aren't many left. You've got Ice Climbers, Falco, Game & Watch, Ganondorf...Mewtwo.

Melee's problem was the clones, and since a large chunk of them are gone (or in the case of Young Link, replaced), we're only left with 10 characters that would be revealed. For the record, that's even less that Smash 64. Also yes, I counted Zelda and Sheik as separate characters before they were separate.

 

[Diddy Kong]

didn't Nintendo say earlier this year they want to buy more studios.

In that case, there's only one real choice:

 

[N3ON]

this is what i found http://au.ign.com/articles/2014/01/31/nintendo-to-consider-mergers-and-acquisitions-iwata-says i don't know if it means studios exactly.

Oh, forgot about that. Well it's not definite, but that probably does relate to accruing more studios. They should start with Rare.

EDIT: What the monkey said.

Melee's problem was the clones, and since a large chunk of them are gone (or in the case of Young Link, replaced), we're only left with 10 characters that would be revealed. For the record, that's even less that Smash 64. Also yes, I counted Zelda and Sheik as separate characters before they were separate.

So did Sakurai.

 

[Miffa]

In that case, there's only one real choice:

Oh, forgot about that. Well it's not definite, but that probably does relate to accruing more studios. They should start with Rare.


So did Sakurai.

if they Bought Rare it would only be for there IPs there games they make are all kinect game but we are getting a bit off topic lol.

 

[FlareHabanero]

So did Sakurai.

I meant the fanbase, which has slots so far shoved up their ass they think Zelda and Sheik should be counted as the same character because of it.

"We need a 5th Zelda character!"

 

[N3ON]

if they Bought Rare it would only be for there IPs there games they make are all kinect game but we are getting a bit off topic lol.

I'll make it topical: Yes it would solely be for the IPs but then we'd get Banjo in Smash and all my dreams would come true. ^o^

More realistically, though perhaps still a bit of a stretch, I hope they scoop up Sega and/or Capcom. They've both got large stables of characters that'd be neat in Smash, and it would save future titles from scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Ofc none of this will be happening for Smash 4, but we've already got Sonic and Mega Man and really that's what's important when it comes to third-parties.