Character Discussion Thread

[Rebellious Treecko]

I didn't even get results from googling Marshall. Who the hell is he?

http://rhythmheaven.wikia.com/wiki/Marshal

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

I'd just suggest moving Mewtwo and Marshall WAY DOWN and move up Krystal and Dixie Kong

@ The Suit-less Ace
Rivals? Bah-Humbug!! That was the past, but now they're getting along better than any other two companies

Ok you've crossed the line by saying Mewtwo should move "way down".

 

[TheLastJinjo]

SSB doesn't really have clones, they have cloney characters, they all play slightly different. Toon Link has his own unique style and is the best choice of a cloney char.

Which means I'm right.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Ok here's why I think his chances are really high at this point:
-2 DK reps
-No villain rep
-Kremlings in adventure mode
-No heavyweight reveals (Unless you want to count Rosalina)
-No villain reveals
I don't really think a leak is necessary, seeing that they are usually fake.

Before K. Rool was in B tier because of no evidence, now that the Kremlings are there, I'll only bump him to A tier.
Some leaks are credible, particularly the one who leaked the Leaky 3 and the Leaky Chorus.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Uh. What. Because you claim something is boring, it's a fact? How does it feel on that high horse?

Chrom is indeed boring cause he was literally made with both Marth and Ike in mind. Seeing as they are very popular characters in Fire Emblem, that's a good thing, for Fire Emblem games. Not for Smash, where everybody would rather see the actual fan favorites: Marth and Ike.

Why is common sense almost as hard as rocketscience for people?

Please Understand.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Ok you've crossed the line by saying Mewtwo should move "way down".

You know what? This argument about Mewtwo is getting really stupid! I'm getting in the bathtub!

 

[Deleted member]

At least I can claim to be one of the (relatively) few Ridley supporters on Smashboards to quickly skip to Acceptance, but not of course before a touch of Depression (which was more of me saying sorry to Ridley fans for Ridley's fate).
Because Sonic & Mario have Olympic Games and we need to throw Sonic & a bajillion of his pals into the next Smash for MOAR partnerships.

I support Ridley as well, but I went straight to acceptance, right after a bit of cruel laughter because fanboy tears are ALWAYS delicious.

Anyway, with that I take my leave, g'nite folks.

 

[Diddy Kong]

http://rhythmheaven.wikia.com/wiki/Marshal

Can't POSE 2 DA FANZ so automatically is a less awesome choice.

 

[Starcutter]

I didn't even get results from googling Marshall. Who the hell is he?

He's the character from "glee club" a minigame in rhythm heaven.

Everyone in S tier was in a big leak recently.

 

[Sehnsucht]

You know what? This argument about Mewtwo is getting really stupid! I'm getting in the bathtub!

Is that your code phrase for when you go take Bath Salts?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Diddy, you can provide evidence for an opinion. That doesn't make it a fact. And I wouldn't exactly say Chrom being a combination of Marth and Ike is "obvious".

 

[JamesDNaux]

...Well I just got trolled. Meh, gotta love people who enjoy other's suffering.

This is nothing but a mess at this point, there's no use trying to speculate anything. I'm just going to hope for the best, this arguing goes nowhere.

At least I still have this guy possibly...

 

[Deleted member]

I agree Chrom is not unique. But, remember how every newcomer revealed for Melee was unique in the first trailer, remember all the unique characters revealed for Brawl? Yeah, those games had clones/pseudo clones in them. Thinking there won't be pseudo clones this time because "characters must be unique" is just as delusional now as it was when everyone thought that before Brawl.

Sakurai has not only talked about making characters more unique, he has been emphasizing it far more than he usually do. The types of gameplay that we see out of Villager, Mega Man, Wii Fit Trainer, Rosalina, Little Mac and Gekkouga have shown are a cut above anything we've seen in Brawl. Not to mention that we've seen various major changes towards various veterans; Bowser, Pit, Yoshi, Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, maybe more. Plus when our cast of characters are less popular overall than pre-Brawl character (except for Mega Man, Mewtwo, K. Rool and Ridley; the latter of which is unlikely), uniqueness needs to be emphasized.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

http://rhythmheaven.wikia.com/wiki/Marshal

I guess he's going with the guy that predicted Megaman. @Louie G. told me about him predicting a rhythmheaven character to be in.

You know what? This argument about Mewtwo is getting really stupid! I'm getting in the bathtub!

Ok then.

 

[Manny Toons]

Please Understand.

Amazing how you're completely misunderstanding how this works. I won't bother discussing it any further.

 

[Kenith]

Now this was not random, and I took my time on this chart.

Miis are too high.

Considering yesterday showed exactly how I predicted they would be included if they werent playable, I consider them unlikely for a multitude of reasons now.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

. The types of gameplay that we see out of Villager, Mega Man, Wii Fit Trainer, Rosalina, Little Mac and Gekkouga have shown are a cut above anything we've seen in Brawl.

I think you're exaggerating a lot there.

Not to mention that we've seen various major changes towards various veterans; Bowser, Pit, Yoshi, Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, maybe more. Plus when our cast of characters are less popular overall than pre-Brawl character (except for Mega Man, Mewtwo, K. Rool and Ridley; the latter of which is unlikely), uniqueness needs to be emphasized.

Did you notice Luigi still shares moves with Mario. You're argument is invalid.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

So much negativity on Greninja. If people are whining about getting unwanted/unexpected characters, then I wonder how people had taken Lucas and Pokemon Trainer pre-Brawl.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Diddy, you can provide evidence for an opinion. That doesn't make it a fact. And I wouldn't exactly say Chrom being a combination of Marth and Ike is obvious.

Chrom's concept art:

Chrom is also Marth's descendant and uses his sword.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Miis are too high.

Considering yesterday showed exactly how I predicted they would be included if they werent playable, I consider them unlikely for a multitude of reasons now.

Yeah, but it was pretty obvious that Miis were going to be involved in Miiverse and online in some form. Miis are good and right where they are.

 

[Warp Star Lover]

As Jigglypuff actually got in Smash 64 due to how similar it was to Kirby. And in Brawl, it was low priority, only added back probably cause it was so easy to create her.

Sakurai obviously thinks having a lighter weight version of a character is interesting, as Pichu was tested out.

As to an accusation of blandness...Wii Fit Trainer? Her/his move set is unique like Jigglypuff's, BTW.

 

[FlareHabanero]

So much negativity on Greninja. If people are whining about getting unwanted/unexpected characters, then I wonder how people had taken Lucas and Pokemon Trainer pre-Brawl.

It's only the Mewtwo fans and the Genwunners calling foul.

 

[Joe D.]

That makes no difference. Shadow can be playable, but being third party only makes him unlikely. Mewtwo's time has passed, and adding him would make the a Pokemon franchise over represented, making him unlikely. Nintendo buying up SEGA on the other hand is highly likely, but Mewtwo's a lost cause.

.... I have no words. Just. Wow.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Chrom's concept art:

Chrom is also Marth's descendant and uses his sword.

I'm saying it's not obvious to OTHER people.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Chrom's concept art:

Chrom is also Marth's descendant and uses his sword.

He might share similarities to Ike, but the Falchion has been reforged, and if you have played Awakening, you KNOW that Chrom fights nothing like Marth.

There's more than a few ways to use a sword.

 

[Starcutter]

man, I was all ready for marshal discussion, and then OOPS SORRY FIRE EMBLEM


life sucks.

 

[Diddy Kong]

He might share similarities to Ike, but the Falchion has been reforged, and if you have played Awakening, you KNOW that Chrom fights nothing like Marth.

There's more than a few ways to use a sword.

And Ike does that last part exactly fine.

 

[Deleted member]

I think you're exaggerating a lot there.


Did you notice Luigi still shares moves with Mario. You're argument is invalid.

Even Luigi has seen a big change towards his move set; his final Smash is the Poltergeist after all. He didn't really need significant changes either. Characters like Bowser, Pit, Yoshi, Zero Suit Samus and Zelda/Sheik could do well with significant changes to improve them (and a few cases, needed them) and we got them. It's why I think Ganondorf will become much more unique this time around.

Also do note that there is a trajectory of uniqueness going on here; characters in Brawl are generally more unique than in Melee and character in Smash 4 are generally more unique than in Brawl (so far).

 

[Deleted member]

Well heres my take on Ganondorf...I couldn't really think of a good pose for him

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

It's only the Mewtwo fans and the Genwunners calling foul.

This. For one, I am glad that Sakurai is being innovative with the Pokemon reps instead of having a **** load of 1st Gen Pokemon.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Even Luigi has seen a big change towards his move set; his final Smash is the Poltergeist after all.

One unique move became another (less unique) move. Your point?

 

[Tepig2000]

There's no point in trying to predict the roster anymore. I bet no confirmed newcomers so far were in anyone's roster (with maybe the exception of Mega Man) before the game was announced.

This thread is becoming a mess. People are trying to argue that Jigglypuff is more important than Mewtwo. I mean seriously.

 

[Rockaphin]

It's only the Mewtwo fans and the Genwunners calling foul.

I love gen 1 and Mewtwo! Greninja is awesome!
Where do I fit?!

 

[Kenith]

Yeah, but it was pretty obvious that Miis were going to be involved in Miiverse and online in some form. Miis are good and right where they are.

The Find Mii stage, the fact that all of the stages supposely their home stages are different universes.
Also, custom movesets.

 

[Sehnsucht]

There's no point in trying to predict the roster anymore. I bet no confirmed newcomers so far were in anyone's roster (with maybe the exception of Mega Man) before the game was announced.

This thread is becoming a mess. People are trying to argue that Jigglypuff is more important than Mewtwo. I mean seriously.

If this thread is a mess, then it's the mud wrestling kind of mess.

The kind that I'm totally down with.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

And Ike does that last part exactly fine.

Oh believe me, I don't want Ike cut. I prefer Ike to Chrom. But I think people should rethink Chrom after seeing what Sakurai has done with other characters. Chrom seems lame at first, but just think about how many different ways a person can use a sword.

There's potential, we're just going to have to wait to see if Sakurai taps into it or not.

 

[FlareHabanero]

This. For one, I am glad that Sakurai is being innovative with the Pokemon reps instead of having a **** load of 1st Gen Pokemon.

I don't really care what gen what Pokemon come from, what's important is if that Pokemon can create interest.

Disco Ninja Frog with elements of Strider and Chipp? Yeah, that works.

 

[Joe D.]

I love gen 1 and Mewtwo! Greninja is awesome!
Where do I fit?!

You can't be real. Adapt to the greater majority's beliefs or die, (or you know, just like, take a vacation or something, I don't know. I hear the Keys are wonderful this time of year.)

 

[Sehnsucht]

There's potential, we're just going to have to wait to see if Sakurai taps into it or not.

I was waiting to see if Sakurai would tap into Ridley's potential. Look how that turned out.

 

[Starphoenix]

That is a possibility, but Mewtwo was removed for playability reasons. His floating around was too unlike the other characters, and his attacks were pretty generic psychic stuff. Ness and Lucario cover that area much better.

Plus, with Charizard and Greninja clearly replacing the Pokemon trainer, a grass type appears more likely.

C'mon man. With so many gameplay changes going on in this game, do you really think Sakurai wouldn't even touch Mewtwo? Obviously floaty characters aren't a big deal because queen zero-gravity Rosalina herself is probably the floatiest character we have apart from Mewtwo and Solid Snake.

Now, onto this "we need a Grass-type Pokémon" stuff that decided to spring up faster than the Black Plague on a turbo strapped flea. There is no indication whatsoever through precedent, what so ever, that Sakurai even cares about having a balance in types anymore than he's been concerned with the balance in generations. That is what the Pokéball characters are for. The only reason it happened with PKMN Trainer is because he was a Pokémon trainer; that is his schtick. Beyond that, every other Pokémon either remained or was popular at their time. That's where Greninja is at right now. Of course it also helps he brings a lot to the table gameplay wise, but all The Pokémon Company and Game Freak care about is getting their fresh blood in. Charizard being a Fire-type and Greninja a Water-type is secondary to the fact that they are popular characters. You cannot say the same for many of the other Grass-type starters (or non-starters for that matter) as they tend to be the red-headed step children of each generation.

The running is squarely and solely between Jigglypuff and Mewtwo. The only legitimate other options outside those two that haven't been likely relegated to Pokéball status is Genesect and Blaziken. Beyond that, no one else is even coming close. And both of the former's chances of appearing are not a mutually exclusive event. Both have major aspects that play into Pokémon X and Y, so tying them (really Jigglypuff) into something relevant isn't a problem either.