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bryanoid

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I don't know why but I was excited to play as WFT before the direct.. The reveal of her moveset kinda let me down. I expected something more creative, I guess.

Also, Tingle is really starting to look like a shoe-in. Almost as high on the list as Palutena.
 

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I'm just going to say one word: Greninja.
I'll refrain from caring too much about Greninja before Mewtwo is back. Right now, sure he seems interessting but I'd much rather have Impa as the 'new ninja' so that'll be some bitterness I'll have to swallow before accepting Greninja. It also doesn't help that I feel Greninja probably will not return in the next game anyway.

Seriously, I might just like Wii Fit Trainer most out of all newcomers so far. Rosalina is probably nr.2. Little Mac 3, Greninja 4. Villager and MegaMan, while warmed up towards their inclusion, never remotely interessted me at all.
 

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The only real wounds were a variety of ATs, and of course, that whole controversy. I blame the Tron Bonne Syndrome.

Even if Mewtwo doesn't return, I'm glad to see some new blood in the character screen. Surprising choices that are also just as good.
 
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Except he wasn't deconfirmed.
Except he pretty much was.


Let me post a relevant video, this is the Ridley fanbase:



We will soon arrive at Bargaining for some fans. Anger was funny to see last night. Denial is where most are still at. Poor Chrono is at Depression.

Acceptance is the only answer my friends. Only there will you find peace from this hell.
 

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No, I mean the definition, Ike (except counter) and Wario is nowhere near clones.
Some are more divergent than others, but they all have similarities to other characters.

*Reads Jigglypuff is more likely than Ganondorf and sees roster*
"Oh....ooooooh...."
Jigglypuff IS more likely than Ganondorf. It's been around longer, and is a unique character in Smash with its Sing attack and ultra light weight. Charizard makes it even more likely, as they're both iconic characters from the Pokemon anime.
 

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I posted on here about before, I believe Ridley's playable, the answer is in the shadow. The platforms on the stage don't obstruct the shadow, or hinder his view. There are no platforms on the final destination version of Pyrosphere, there are no stage hazards on the final destination version.
I'm with you on this one. Why would Sakurai de-confirm Ridley like that, it's so anti-climatic. If there's one thing I've learnt this last year is to not underestimate Sakurai he's surprised me more times than I care to mention in the last few months.
 

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Honestly, Manly's got the point about Ridley.

No offense, but we've got a bit of post-possible DC madness that's not unlike something before. Sorry to say, but it's like what happened with Toad. Not in chances, mind you, but reaction. Chrono has a legitimate reason after being pretty much one of the biggest oldtime supporters. I understand there's denial, but like I said before.

There's always the next game.
 
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I think Shadow last appeared in Generations, just as a boss battle and showing up at the final boss once. Mewtwo just got a f**king movie, got two mega evolutions, and is catchable in XY. I think Mewtwo will make it.
 

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That makes no difference. Shadow can be playable, but being third party only makes him unlikely. Mewtwo's time has passed, and adding him would make the a Pokemon franchise over represented, making him unlikely. Nintendo buying up SEGA on the other hand is highly likely, but Mewtwo's a lost cause.
It makes a big difference, because the rules for First Party inclusions differ vastly from Third Party inclusions.

Mewtwo has experienced a resurgence of prominence outside of Smash via being a poster boy for X&Y's Mega Evolution mechanic, while also having some meaty roles in Pokemon animated projects (Origins, the Mewtwo-Genesect movie, etc.). It's also clear that they're pushing the Mega Evolution mechanic in Smash as well, since now Charizard and Lucario possess their Mega Evolutions.

And Mewtwo is more significant within the Pokemon franchise overall than Jigglypuff ever was. He's really hot outside of Smash right now, so his "time" has most definitely not passed (though again, getting both him and Jiggs is the preferable outcome).

Also, on what basis do you suspect, or expect, that Nintendo will purchase the SEGA company?
 
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The ****? How is it unreasonable to not want characters cut from the next game? We had no idea until now that transformations as a whole is gone, and pretty much the entire Brawl roster is unique enough to warrant a return.
Sakurai himself said "We're not going to cut characters out of the way" and gleaming "I'm trying to not cut characters" from that is far from unreasonable.

Also, Smashboards takes up a startling 1.5% of Brawl's sales, so yeah, it's a small minority.
It's unreasonable because it pretty much happens in most games due to development issues, memory limitations, time constraints and the like.

It's just needy fans being selfish, like a bad girlfriend. Sakurai needs to break up with you lot. :p

Also, Sales does not equate to the fanbase. Not everyone that bought Brawl cares about who gets in and not. As far as the fanbase of the series in concerned, Smashboards does represent a large chunk of it.
 

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Jigglypuff IS more likely than Ganondorf. It's been around longer, and is a unique character in Smash with its Sing attack and ultra light weight. Charizard makes it even more likely, as they're both iconic characters from the Pokemon anime.


It doesn't get more iconic than this, honestly...
 

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I think Shadow last appeared in Generations, just as a boss battle and showing up at the final boss once. Mewtwo just got a f**king movie, got two mega evolutions, and is catchable in XY. I think Mewtwo will make it.
If there's going to be another Sonic character, it's Tails, but there won't be. Mewtwo deserves a spot, but wouldn't Sakurai save him till E3 or close to the release.
 

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Shadow isn't even that prominent anymore compared to Tails. I'm sorry but I don't think Shadow will make it. Mewtwo's chances are much higher than Shadow's. I hope you're joking that Mewtwo is a "Lost cause".
I'm not! A lot of people on Miiverse demand equally for both Shadow and Mewtwo. As much as I would love to see both, it may be that neither will be playable. If/When Nintendo buys up SEGA, we'd probably have as much Sonic characters as Mario characters due to their nearly equal amount of fame, and Shadow would be the first added of them.
 

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Not to mention the fact that Charizard has two Megas.
And technically, Ganon as a whole has been around longer.
But that's two different franchises, that's like comparing Shulk and Isaac!!

I'm not! A lot of people on Miiverse demand equally for both Shadow and Mewtwo. As much as I would love to see both, it may be that neither will be playable. If/When Nintendo buys up SEGA, we'd probably have as much Sonic characters as Mario characters due to their nearly equal amount of fame, and Shadow would be the first added of them.
Houseguest Theorem.
SEGA isn't a party owned by Nintendo. No exceptions, he's a guest, not a member of the family.
 
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If Shadow is in this game, I will not buy it. Seriously.
 
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Right now I think Shulk is leading the "bland, blonde prototypical RPG protagonist" category right now. Lot of smoke where he's concerned.
I'll have to agree to that. Even if Sakurai were to come out and say tomorrow that the Gematsu leak was false, Shulk would still have a fairly good chance of getting in. His résume, especially for a character who's only appeared once, is pretty impressive. If any one-shot series character gets in, it'll be him.
Goodness, and if Ike and Chrom are confirmed for the game... We'll need to raid his room for prescription pills.
Then let's hope that Chrom is actually unique. Not just for his sake, but Chrom is only on in the Gematsu leak I'm hesistant towards. Even Pac-Man will get his own move set if in. If Chrom comes in with a semi-clone move set, then I would have rather Sakurai not bothered with any FE additions.
 

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Dixie Kong > Tails.

Why would a 3rd party series get any more representation than their sole protagonists?

Chrom with a semi-clone moveset to Marth, and Ike being cut would seriously outrage me...
 
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Jigglypuff IS more likely than Ganondorf. It's been around longer, and is a unique character in Smash with its Sing attack and ultra light weight. Charizard makes it even more likely, as they're both iconic characters from the Pokemon anime.
Right.

Unimportant, irrelevant, pink puff > Essential Villian

What was the last episode of Pokemon you saw that featured Jigglypuff by the way? It makes me roll my eyes when I hear such certainties being spoken about characters JUST for being around longer, when characters like Mewtwo and Pokemon Trainer are being cut just so we can have muh recency. Stop acting so certain. Have you learned nothing from yesterday's direct. Even the things you think you KNOW are gonna happen, don't happen.
 
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I'll have to agree to that. Even if Sakurai were to come out and say tomorrow that the Gematsu leak was false, Shulk would still have a fairly good chance of getting in. His résume, especially for a character who's only appeared once, is pretty impressive. If any one-shot series character gets in, it'll be him.Then let's hope that Chrom is actually unique. Not just for his sake, but Chrom is only on in the Gematsu leak I'm hesistant towards. Even Pac-Man will get his own move set if in. If Chrom comes in with a semi-clone move set, then I would have rather Sakurai not bothered with any FE additions.
Chrom won't appear if he was cloney, every newcomer seems to be based on the concept of all unique fight styles.
 

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Let's just give Sonic a Shadow costume and have done with it. It'd be a waste of memory but it'd shut miiverse up.
 

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I'm not! A lot of people on Miiverse demand equally for both Shadow and Mewtwo. As much as I would love to see both, it may be that neither will be playable. If/When Nintendo buys up SEGA, we'd probably have as much Sonic characters as Mario characters due to their nearly equal amount of fame, and Shadow would be the first added of them.
You do realize most people on Miiverse are like 7, right? Also, are you sure about Nintendo "buying" Sega? Sega isn't dead yet, and even if they did, Sonic wouldn't have 5 reps. I'm sure Tails would be added first also!
 

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Not that it matters too much but having Mega Charizard X and Mega Mewtwo Y would be a very satisfying balance...
I thought this to! And remember the comment of Sakurai stating that in Pokémon, he takes very much notice of what is going on in the movies and what not? Pokémon Origins and the Mewtwo movie will certainly help then.
 

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I'm with you on this one. Why would Sakurai de-confirm Ridley like that, it's so anti-climatic. If there's one thing I've learnt this last year is to not underestimate Sakurai he's surprised me more times than I care to mention in the last few months.
I found Starfy's deconfirmation to be so anti-climactic. Therefore Starfy confirmed.
 

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Also, Sakurai had MOST of the roster finished before X/Y, last minute adds are also a thing.

And if GF DID pitch the idea to him, it's still HIS final call. He added the character cause he wanted to and was inspired. THAT'S the point.

Chrom. We've been over this a million times. Is ****ING boring. Everyone else can already do everything he can much better.
It's your opinion that Chrom is boring, just like it's my opinion that Greninja is boring. And if Ike can be unique and not boring, then Chrom sure as hell can.
And alright, if Sakurai added him just because, then why? Sakurai seems to be adding characters "just because," we only got two popular characters so far, do you not think he should add what the consumers are asking for? No, he should just add whoever he feels like because he's Sakurai.


People who don't want cuts are unreasonable and unrealistic. TWO cuts isn't half bad considering the last game and other fighting franchises. Also, considering where you are atm, it's a sure stretch to call the competitive crowd a "Small" minority. Esp considering that Small Minority managed to get Nintendo approval for Melee in tourney, and even caught Sakurai's attention in many of the design elements of this game, with "For the Glory" mode, and FD stages.
Unreasonable? You mean like having a perfectly balanced roster and competitive gameplay in a party/fighting game?







Also, I never played as a trainer in THIS game:






I could go in if you like.
Congratulations for finding a bunch of spin-off titles. Again, I don't know why you feel the need to argue this, but I'd rather not continue a pointless argument.
 

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Right.

Unimportant, irrelevant, pink puff > Essential Villian

What was the last episode of Pokemon you saw that featured Jigglypuff by the way? It makes me roll my eyes when I hear such certainties being spoken about characters JUST for being around longer, when characters like Mewtwo and Pokemon Trainer are being cut just so we can have muh recency. Stop acting so certain. Have you learned nothing from yesterday's direct. Even the things you think you KNOW are gonna happen, don't happen.
I have to agree with Saturn here. There is simply no reason for Jigglypuff to get in over Ganondorf. Ganondorf is far more important to Zelda than Jiggly is to Pokemon.
 

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Ike had a lot more to work with. Just look at those damn animations in FE9.
 

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Oh, crap. We've hit rock bottom. We've started talking about Ow the Edge.
 

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I found Starfy's deconfirmation to be so anti-climactic. Therefore Starfy confirmed.
There's a difference between a relatively unknown assist trophy being deconfirmed on a pic of the day and Ridley, one of the most requested characters for smash, having his shadow shown and not even having his name mentioned in a smash direct. Again not saying he's likely any more but I didn't hear Sakurai even say his name last night.
 

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Chrom won't appear if he was cloney, every newcomer seems to be based on the concept of all unique fight styles.
I agree Chrom is not unique. But, remember how every newcomer revealed for Melee was unique in the first trailer, remember all the unique characters revealed for Brawl? Yeah, those games had clones/pseudo clones in them. Thinking there won't be pseudo clones this time because "characters must be unique" is just as delusional now as it was when everyone thought that before Brawl.
 
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Oy vey, this Jigglypuff vs. Mewtwo discussion.



Jigglypuff:

- Popular
- Been around since the first game
- Represents the new Fairy type

Mewtwo:

- Popular
- Legendary
- Was in latest movie
- Has two Mega Evolutions
- One of the most requested characters

Pikachu, Charizard, Jigglypuff, Lucario, Greninja and Mewtwo. Six Pokémon in Smash just like six Pokémon in the games. Wrap it, stamp it, and call it a day.
 

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You know what I do see however that's suspicious about Shadow, he wasn't in any of the assists last night, but they could have removed him because it was a pretty lazy trophy.
 
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