Character Discussion Thread

[Jason the Yoshi]

You do realize most people on Miiverse are like 7, right? Also, are you sure about Nintendo "buying" Sega? Sega isn't dead yet, and even if they did, Sonic wouldn't have 5 reps. I'm sure Tails would be added first also!

Yes, I am sure about Nintendo buying SEGA! Nintendo already recently said that they've considered merging with smaller companies, and SEGA would be the first thing on their minds because of the incredibly strong ties with Nintendo. They may have already done it! (But if so, they'd wait until the next big Nintendo Direct to announce it)

Houseguest Theorem.
SEGA isn't a party owned by Nintendo. No exceptions, he's a guest, not a member of the family.

Are you really gonna try and start that with me again? I've already made clear my understanding of this, and how it's highly possible for Nintendo to buy up SEGA. But to be specific, a guest is not something that Sonic is solely limited to.

 

[Muster]

It's unreasonable because it pretty much happens in most games due to development issues, memory limitations, time constraints and the like.

It's just needy fans being selfish, like a bad girlfriend. Sakurai needs to break up with you lot.

Also, Sales does not equate to the fanbase. Not everyone that bought Brawl cares about who gets in and not. As far as the fanbase of the series in concerned, Smashboards does represent a large chunk of it.

Okay, now you're just being unreasonably rude.
I'm not going to argue with someone who can't reply without unnecessary insults to a multitude of people he doesn't even know.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

There's a difference between a relatively unknown assist trophy being deconfirmed on a pic of the day and Ridley, one of the most requested characters for smash, having his shadow shown and not even having his name mentioned in a smash direct.

No...no there really isn't. Not in as far as deconfirmed characters go.

I'm glad people are starting to realize that Jigglypuff isn't immune from being cut.

I'm WAY more open minded after yesterday, by which I mean I'm more open minded by being close minded. Having cut 14 characters from my prediction list.

Jigglypuff:

- Popular
- Been around since the first game
- Represents the new Fairy type

Mewtwo:

- Popular
- Legendary
- Was in latest movie
- Has two Mega Evolutions
- One of the most requested characters

If you did a list of merits for Greninja VS Genesect, Genesect would win. But, guess who got in yesterday.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ganondorf may be more iconic, but playability wise, he's just another tough guy. His moves had to be copied from Captain Falcon.

Jigglypuff is a unique character, and has been in 2 more games than Mewtwo.

Define unique?

As Jigglypuff actually got in Smash 64 due to how similar it was to Kirby. And in Brawl, it was low priority, only added back probably cause it was so easy to create her.

Mewtwo was planned for both 64 and Brawl.

I'd check the facts. Not that I wanna start a Mewtwo vs Puff war, cause I want both, but...

 

[andimidna]

Also, Tingle is really starting to look like a shoe-in. Almost as high on the list as Palutena.

Wait.
WOAH.
WOAH WOAH WOAH.
Everybody CALM DOWN!
WHAT?!?
Tingle... SHOE-IN?
Just because he's not deconfirmed yet he has a 90+%?!
Even with Melee stages returning and Majora's Mask references?
He's going to be in the same place he was in Melee. Calling it right now.
Tingle won't get in over Ghirahim and Tetra.

 

[Rockaphin]

It's your opinion that Chrom is boring, just like it's my opinion that Greninja is boring. And if Ike can be unique and not boring, then Chrom sure as hell can.
And alright, if Sakurai added him just because, then why? Sakurai seems to be adding characters "just because," we only got two popular characters so far, do you not think he should add what the consumers are asking for? No, he should just add whoever he feels like because he's Sakurai.



Unreasonable? You mean like having a perfectly balanced roster and competitive gameplay in a party/fighting game?


Congratulations for finding a bunch of spin-off titles. Again, I don't know why you feel the need to argue this, but I'd rather not continue a pointless argument.

Well said!

Right.

Unimportant, irrelevant, pink puff > Essential Villian

What was the last episode of Pokemon you saw that featured Jigglypuff by the way? It makes me roll my eyes when I hear such certainties being spoken about characters JUST for being around longer, when characters like Mewtwo and Pokemon Trainer are being cut just so we can have muh recency. Stop acting so certain. Have you learned nothing from yesterday's direct. Even the things you think you KNOW are gonna happen, don't happen.

I think Ganondorf is way more likely than Jigglypuff. Honestly I'm all for cutting Jigglypuff. But that's just a personal opinion.

 

[BluePikmin11]

New chance chart:

Not too many changes though.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

Yes, I am sure about Nintendo buying SEGA! Nintendo already recently said that they've considered merging with smaller companies, and SEGA would be the first thing on their minds because of the incredibly strong ties with Nintendo. They may have already done it! (But if so, they'd wait until the next big Nintendo Direct to announce it)

Are you really gonna try and start that with me again? I've already made clear my understanding of this, and how it's highly possible for Nintendo to buy up SEGA.

Sega isn't that small you know.

 

[samoxnar]

I agree Chrom is not unique. But, remember how every newcomer revealed for Melee was unique in the first trailer, remember all the unique characters revealed for Brawl? Yeah, those games had clones/pseudo clones in them. Thinking there won't be pseudo clones this time because "characters must be unique" is just as delusional now as it was when everyone thought that before Brawl.

That wasn't my point. Chrom can be completely unique, Therefore if he's added he won't be a clone.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

That wasn't my point. Chrom can be completely unique, Therefore if he's added he won't be a clone.

Lucas can be completely unique. Therefore if he's added he won't be a semi-clone.

 

[Vez]

Jigglypuff clearly isn't more important than Ganondorf as the puff almost didn't make the cut for Brawl. Ganondorf appeared in plenty of cutscenes during SSE so he was probably a high priority character.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

New chance chart:

Not too many changes though.

I actually like how this is organized a lot, but I really think K Rool has to be higher.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Sega isn't that small you know.

It doesn't matter, they're a part of Nintendo's history! It's highly possible!

 

[Deleted member]

I have to agree with Saturn here. There is simply no reason for Jigglypuff to get in over Ganondorf. Ganondorf is far more important to Zelda than Jiggly is to Pokemon.

Speaking of Ganondorf...do you think his appearance will remain unchanged? Aka stay with Twilight Princess-ish appearance

 

[Rockaphin]

New chance chart:

Not too many changes though.

I think Medusa and Hades have a better chance than Dark Pit. Also, I'd move Marshal to B tier. But this chart looks improved compared to your other!

 

[samoxnar]

Lucas can be completely unique. Therefore if he's added he won't be a semi-clone.

You're acting like Smash 4 is a direct sequel to Brawl, It's a fresh addition to the series.

 

[andimidna]

Actually, her getting cut would also justify Sheik getting the axe in the next game.

How?

New chance chart:

Not too many changes though.

Palutena beats Mewtwo now IMO
And please, put Dixie before Kawashima.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I actually like how this is organized a lot, but I really think K Rool has to be higher.

Unless he get's leaked, I won't put K. Rool any higher.

 

[Deleted member]

It's your opinion that Chrom is boring, just like it's my opinion that Greninja is boring. And if Ike can be unique and not boring, then Chrom sure as hell can.
And alright, if Sakurai added him just because, then why? Sakurai seems to be adding characters "just because," we only got two popular characters so far, do you not think he should add what the consumers are asking for? No, he should just add whoever he feels like because he's Sakurai.

Yes.... your butthurt. It soothes me.

Anyway, no Sakurai doesn't NEED to appeal to the consumer. I praise him as an artist for doing what he pleases and following inspiration, because truly, the consumer doesn't know what it wants. It merely wants to consume.

Think about it, would YOU refrain from buy Smash Bros at this point? What would stop YOU from buying Smash? And even if you didn't buy it, many other would. So suck it up and get over it.

Also, Chrom IS boring, that's a fact. He's boring and uninspired, like the majority of FE lords. He's merely following a mold. At least Ike was a mercenary and not some sissy prince. Also, I'd make some incest joke, but I haven't played FE:A.

Unreasonable? You mean like having a perfectly balanced roster and competitive gameplay in a party/fighting game?

Well, considering "For Glory" mode, I'd suggest you take it up with the main man himself, not me.

I don't see how asking for a decently polished game is an unreasonable demand. Considering balance and competition lie at the center of design for fighting games, and yes, that INCLUDES party fighters. Even the casuals benefit from such a demand.

Congratulations for finding a bunch of spin-off titles. Again, I don't know why you feel the need to argue this, but I'd rather not continue a pointless argument.

Fair enough, I'll take your concession and take my leave. Looks like I win. G'day to you sir.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

New chance chart:

Not too many changes though.

Did you just pick names out of a hat?

 

[samoxnar]

New chance chart:

Not too many changes though.

I dislike how high Miis are.

 

[Diddy Kong]

How?

A 3 time veteran getting the axe due to not being prominent in the main series anymore.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

It doesn't matter, they're a part of Nintendo's history! It's highly possible!

Yes, but they're also rivals too, did Apple buy Microsoft or did Microsoft buy Apple? Did the Krusty Krab buy the Chum Bucket? Nope.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Did you just pick names out of a hat?

Now this was not random, and I took my time on this chart.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Now this was not random, and I took my time on this chart.

Well then....

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Something I really want to discuss is how many characters do you think they'll be able to reveal before the 3DS game comes out in the summer?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

New chance chart:

Not too many changes though.

I'd just suggest moving Mewtwo and Marshall WAY DOWN and move up Krystal and Dixie Kong

@ The Suit-less Ace
Rivals? Bah-Humbug!! That was the past, but now they're getting along better than any other two companies

 

[samoxnar]

I'd just suggest moving Mewtwo and Marshall WAY DOWN and move up Krystal and Dixie Kong

Why? They make way more sense.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

You're acting like Smash 4 is a direct sequel to Brawl, It's a fresh addition to the series.

That's true, but you seem to be forgetting...

Spoiler

Clones have not been banished

 

[Diddy Kong]

Chrom is indeed boring cause he was literally made with both Marth and Ike in mind. Seeing as they are very popular characters in Fire Emblem, that's a good thing, for Fire Emblem games. Not for Smash, where everybody would rather see the actual fan favorites: Marth and Ike.

Why is common sense almost as hard as rocketscience for people?

 

[samoxnar]

Something I really want to discuss is how many characters do you think they'll be able to reveal before the 3DS game comes out in the summer?

A good amount, keep in mind there are other Directs, E3,and some time after it's released to reveal most likely.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay, now you're just being unreasonably rude.
I'm not going to argue with someone who can't reply without unnecessary insults to a multitude of people he doesn't even know.

Making a joke about the needy fans is being rude...

*shurgs*

OK.

Well, I'm going to sleep anyway, so whatevs.

 

[Warp Star Lover]

Pikachu, Charizard, Jigglypuff, Lucario, Greninja and Mewtwo. Six Pokémon in Smash just like six Pokémon in the games. Wrap it, stamp it, and call it a day.

That is a possibility, but Mewtwo was removed for playability reasons. His floating around was too unlike the other characters, and his attacks were pretty generic psychic stuff. Ness and Lucario cover that area much better.

Plus, with Charizard and Greninja clearly replacing the Pokemon trainer, a grass type appears more likely.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I didn't even get results from googling Marshall. Who the hell is he?

 

[Deleted member]

I'd just suggest moving Mewtwo and Marshall WAY DOWN and move up Krystal and Dixie Kong

Nah, Krystal is fine the way she is at the moment until further stuff gets announced.

 

[samoxnar]

That's true, but you seem to be forgetting...

Spoiler

Clones have not been banished

SSB doesn't really have clones, they have cloney characters, they all play slightly different. Toon Link has his own unique style and is the best choice of a cloney char.

 

[Deleted member]

Sure thing.

Then you have to take into account that Kremling's appearance in Smash as enemies further discredits recency as an argument (though people could argument that non-recurring franchises are a different case, but I would counter with it only matters in regards to noticing characters). Even if Mewtwo hadn't made those recent appearance, if he was still the most wanted character, my bet would still be on him returning.

Except he pretty much was.


Let me post a relevant video, this is the Ridley fanbase:

We will soon arrive at Bargaining for some fans. Anger was funny to see last night. Denial is where most are still at. Poor Chrono is at Depression.

Acceptance is the only answer my friends. Only there will you find peace from this hell.

At least I can claim to be one of the (relatively) few Ridley supporters on Smashboards to quickly skip to Acceptance, but not of course before a touch of Depression (which was more of me saying sorry to Ridley fans for Ridley's fate).

Dixie Kong > Tails.

Why would a 3rd party series get any more representation than their sole protagonists?

Chrom with a semi-clone moveset to Marth, and Ike being cut would seriously outrage me...

Because Sonic & Mario have Olympic Games and we need to throw Sonic & a bajillion of his pals into the next Smash for MOAR partnerships.

But yeah, go Dixie Kong!

semi-clone Chrom replacing Ike would be ****ing awful. I would legitimately raged if that happened.

Chrom won't appear if he was cloney, every newcomer seems to be based on the concept of all unique fight styles.

I don't think Chrom will be a clone either; if only because I don't see himself being received well if he's a semi-clone. Since we are almost out of hype characters based on popularity (only K. Rool and Mewtwo comes to mind that could get in with popularity being a main factor), characters will have to prove themselves based on uniqueness. It's why Sakurai has been emphasizing so much on uniqueness for characters; this isn't Melee or Brawl anymore.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

Unless he get's leaked, I won't put K. Rool any higher.

Ok here's why I think his chances are really high at this point:
-2 DK reps
-No villain rep
-Kremlings in adventure mode
-No heavyweight reveals (Unless you want to count Rosalina)
-No villain reveals
I don't really think a leak is necessary, seeing that they are usually fake.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Please guys, try to remain civil in here. Warnings/ Infractions will be handed out if things get heated.

I like Chrom because I like the character. I admit that he has a chance of being relegated to a semi-clone, but obviously best case scenario that wouldn't happen. The leak yesterday makes me feel like he's in, but it's just a leak as of right now.

 

[Manny Toons]

Yes.... your butthurt. It soothes me.

Anyway, no Sakurai doesn't NEED to appeal to the consumer. I praise him as an artist for doing what he pleases and following inspiration, because truly, the consumer doesn't know what it wants. It merely wants to consume.

Think about it, would YOU refrain from buy Smash Bros at this point? What would stop YOU from buying Smash? And even if you didn't buy it, many other would. So suck it up and get over it.

Also, Chrom IS boring, that's a fact. He's boring and uninspired, like the majority of FE lords. He's merely following a mold. At least Ike was a mercenary and not some sissy prince. Also, I'd make some incest joke, but I haven't played FE:A.




Well, considering "For Glory" mode, I'd suggest you take it up with the main man himself, not me.

I don't see how asking for a decently polished game is an unreasonable demand. Considering balance and competition lie at the center of design for fighting games, and yes, that INCLUDES party fighters. Even the casuals benefit from such a demand.



Fair enough, I'll take your concession and take my leave. Looks like I win. G'day to you sir.

Uh. What. Because you claim something is boring, it's a fact? How does it feel on that high horse?