Character Discussion Thread

[Deleted member]

Guys, just because there were 6 Pokemon characters in Brawl (that were not separate) does not mean Sakurai doesn't give a **** about balancing out the roster from the point of view of a character select screen.

People only think he doesn't care about it because THEY don't think it matters.

Wait, what? When did he say THAT matters?

When the hell has that ever mattered??

What the hell are you on? Can I have some of it?

Seriously. Why the flying **** would the aesthetics of how the roster looks on a screen factor into determining what sorts of characters make the cut in the final game? That's possibly the most stupid design philosophy I could think of...

I'm sure all five of the people who wanted Greninja are very happy, and they must have been very vocal for Sakurai to add him. Remember that Sakurai made the roster before X/Y even came out, Game Freak had to have presented the idea to him. If we hadn't gotten a Pokemon from the new gen, I could see it being Sakurai's decision alone.

What the hell are you talking about?

Stay on the topic, I was never going on about fan support factoring into Sakurai's decision.

I don't see how any of what you said back up your previous claim or disproves that Sakurai could have just played X/Y and decided to add Greninja.

Also, Sakurai had MOST of the roster finished before X/Y, last minute adds are also a thing.

And if GF DID pitch the idea to him, it's still HIS final call. He added the character cause he wanted to and was inspired. THAT'S the point.

Chrom. We've been over this a million times. Is ****ING boring. Everyone else can already do everything he can much better.

Tell that to all the people who didn't want any cuts. The only people who wanted that are the competitive crowd, a small minority. I guess I should be glad for you guys apparently.

People who don't want cuts are unreasonable and unrealistic. TWO cuts isn't half bad considering the last game and other fighting franchises. Also, considering where you are atm, it's a sure stretch to call the competitive crowd a "Small" minority. Esp considering that Small Minority managed to get Nintendo approval for Melee in tourney, and even caught Sakurai's attention in many of the design elements of this game, with "For the Glory" mode, and FD stages.

Mascot doesn't always equal main protagonist, you don't play as a Pikachu, you play as a trainer controlling a Pikachu. Congratulations on getting what you wanted then, but I would never want to take things from others.

Spoiler

Also, I never played as a trainer in THIS game:

I could go in if you like.

I made no claims, this is speculation. I said that Jiggs will probably go, I don't know what your issue is here.

The issue is that you don't back up your opinions and state them as facts. Probably still needs reasoning.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

Great,now I want to talk about Alt. Costumes.

So...how about that Wire-frame Mac?

I like it, but I really wish they'd do something like this with more characters, like Dark link and Classic Wario.

 

[FlareHabanero]

team original color mode plz, maybe just make a flag on them

what

ITD BE LESS STUPID THAN FORCED COLOR SWAPS

Or at least a yellow option so I'd have the excuse to yell "GOLD TEAM RULES!!"

 

[Knight Dude]

Oh yeah, speaking of team matches, I seriously hope some several characters get more obvious color swaps. This most notable with the Pokemon, which only get a hue adjustment based on the color.

I'd say Lucario had the worst of it. At least Pikachu and Jigglypuff had hats they could wear.

 

[samoxnar]

Woah...how are you from 2009,but a cadet?

I'm a time traveler, who hated forums in his middle school years.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Roy was mine, but there was still a reason, his time had passed.

his time had passed.

his time had passed.

Jigglypuff.

Ok, I'll bite!

I would love to see Mewtwo coming back, but it still doesn't sound right to cut off Jiggs just to get Mewtwo back into the game.

Mewtwo is a highly advertised and requested Pokemon, it's relevant to Game Freak and Pokemon as a whole still. Jigglypuff's time has passed.

 

[Will]

I'd say Lucario had the worst of it. At least Pikachu and Jigglypuff had hats they could wear.

Don't forget about Charizard and Mewtwo.

 

[samoxnar]

Jigglypuff.

Mewtwo is a highly advertised and requested Pokemon, it's relevant to Game Freak and Pokemon as a whole still. Jigglypuff's time has passed.

Yo, Jiggs is back, she be a fairy.

 

[Will]

Yo, Jiggs is back, she be a fairy.

I'm just Greninja'd-ing everybody today

 

[Starphoenix]

Did any unlockable ATs get shown off for this game? I heard there were some, but I'm not sure. That said, still not optimistic about him.

Nope. The locked AT's in Brawl were Gray Fox, Shadow the Hedgehog, Barbara, Infantry and Tanks, Custom Robo and Isaac. None of those characters were shown, only the starters from the previous gam.

ChronoBound saw Ridley as a 50/50 before yesterday, although he was pessimistic.

Ahh ChronoBound. That poor man.

 

[Deleted member]

So, I guess we can toss out Pac-Man in his Ghostly Appearance out the window & expect something like his Pac-Man World incarnation?

 

[Knight Dude]

Don't forget about Charizard and Mewtwo.

Yeah, Charizard's could have been a little better. But at least his green and white colors look different enough. I never had a problem with Mewtwo's colors though. They drastically changed the color of his tail, which to me, was enough. But I can see wanting to do a little bit more in the color department with him.

 

[samoxnar]

So, I guess we can toss out Pac-Man in his Ghostly Appearance out the window & expect something like his Pac-Man World incarnation?

While I'm not the biggest Pac-Man supporter, I love Pac-Man world 2, I would get behind that design. Yet he'd still be pretty dull.

 

[Deleted member]

Nope. The locked AT's in Brawl were Gray Fox, Shadow the Hedgehog, Barbara, Infantry and Tanks, Custom Robo and Isaac. None of those characters were shown, only the starters from the previous gam.


Ahh ChronoBound. That poor man.

Pretty sure Starfy was unlockable in Brawl as well... no?

And yeah, with Ridley not getting in PM either, I feel pretty bad for him.

 

[Knight Dude]

So, I guess we can toss out Pac-Man in his Ghostly Appearance out the window & expect something like his Pac-Man World incarnation?

Wait...Why is that the case. Don't get me wrong, I'd be glad to have Pac-Man without that design. But I can't really see Namco getting rid of it so soon after they had made it.

 

[FlareHabanero]

So, I guess we can toss out Pac-Man in his Ghostly Appearance out the window & expect something like his Pac-Man World incarnation?

Nah, it's going to be his new design.

Which I still say is actually better.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Mewtwo is a highly advertised and requested character, it's relevant to Game Freak and Pokemon as a whole still. Jigglypuff's time has passed.

Well, Shadow the Hedgehog is highly requested and advertised as well, but the highest chances are he won't be in either, Mewtwo can be ignored just as easily!

 

[samoxnar]

I believe he's showing off everything including unlockables, he didn't show those AT off to still be ambiguous about there appearance.

 

[Starphoenix]

Pretty sure Starfy was unlockable in Brawl as well... no?

And yeah, with Ridley not getting in PM either, I feel pretty bad for him.

No, Starfy was available from the start of Brawl. He was just a rare AT, as Sakurai put it.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

Well, Shadow the Hedgehog is highly requested and advertised as well, but the highest chances are he won't be in either, Mewtwo can be ignored just as easily!

Shadow is third party.

 

[Diddy Kong]

No Mewtwo and King K.Rool at this point and I will officially declare the newcomers of this game as the worst yet in the series.

 

[Will]

Holy ****...Starfy wasn't mentioned as an AT from the Direct either...such confusion.

 

[Knight Dude]

Well, Shadow the Hedgehog is highly requested and advertised as well, but the highest chances are he won't be in either, Mewtwo can be ignored just as easily!

Did you seriously compare Shadow to Mewtwo? You do know that Shadow isn't owned by Nintendo right? I'm...going to need a minute.

No Mewtwo and King K.Rool at this point and I will officially declare the newcomers of this game as the worst yet in the series.

Probably. Though I'm happy with Megaman and Little Mac.

 

[Deleted member]

No, Starfy was available from the start of Brawl. He was just a rare AT, as Sakurai put it.

Ah well...

Then that IS a good point. I'd feel pretty bad for N3ON if her Isaac didn't get in, but then again, she's not overly optimistic, and she still has PM, where he's practically confirmed by now.

I dunno how to feel about Isaac now. The lack of AT did raise his chances in my eyes, but now... who knows...

 

[samoxnar]

Holy ****...Starfy wasn't mentioned as an AT from the Direct either...such confusion.

He's shown doin what he did in Brawl in the press photos.

 

[Deleted member]

Nope. The locked AT's in Brawl were Gray Fox, Shadow the Hedgehog, Barbara, Infantry and Tanks, Custom Robo and Isaac. None of those characters were shown, only the starters from the previous gam.


Ahh ChronoBound. That poor man.

OK, thanks.

He really did not take Ridley's disconfirmation well at all. Then again, when Ridley has been:
- Your most wanted character for thirteen years
- A character that you not only wanted so badly, but also heavily expected
- Constantly fought for against the onslaught of detractors
- A very highly popular character with many other dedicated supporters
- Facing disconfirmation twice and likely a third time

It's not really all that surprising he acted the way he did. The main reason why I supported him was mainly because I admired how dedicated Ridley supporters were. I really wanted him to feel the same way I did with Mega Man's confirmation, but that apparently isn't happening.

 

[Deleted member]

Wait...Why is that the case. Don't get me wrong, I'd be glad to have Pac-Man without that design. But I can't really see Namco getting rid of it so soon after they had made it.

Eh, just thinkin maybe Sakurai would use Pac-Man's classic incarnation rather than his current one like Megaman, y'know...be a little more retro?

But hey, Namco's probably reading this & laughing in their offices.

 

[samoxnar]

OK, thanks.

He really did not take Ridley's disconfirmation well at all. Then again, when Ridley has been:
- Your most wanted character for thirteen years
- A character that you not only wanted so badly, but also heavily expected
- A very highly popular character with many other dedicated supporters
- Facing disconfirmation twice and likely a third time

It's not really all that surprising. I fear what will happen to Ridley's fan base in the light of this news.

Except he wasn't deconfirmed.

 

[Tepig2000]

No Mewtwo and King K.Rool at this point and I will officially declare the newcomers of this game as the worst yet in the series.

I'm just going to say one word: Greninja.

 

[bryanoid]

Uhh, wasn't Tingle an AT from the start of the game in Brawl? Yet he wasn't shown at all.....

As opposed to Isaac who was unlockable anyway

 

[Starphoenix]

Ah well...

Then that IS a good point. I'd feel pretty bad for N3ON if her Isaac didn't get in, but then again, she's not overly optimistic, and she still has PM, where he's practically confirmed by now.

I dunno how to feel about Isaac now. The lack of AT did raise his chances in my eyes, but now... who knows...

Right now I think Shulk is leading the "bland, blonde prototypical RPG protagonist" category right now. Lot of smoke where he's concerned.

OK, thanks.

He really did not take Ridley's disconfirmation well at all. Then again, when Ridley has been:
- Your most wanted character for thirteen years
- A character that you not only wanted so badly, but also heavily expected
- A very highly popular character with many other dedicated supporters
- Facing disconfirmation twice and likely a third time

It's not really all that surprising. I fear what will happen to Ridley's fan base in the light of this news.

Goodness, and if Ike and Chrom are confirmed for the game... We'll need to raid his room for prescription pills.

Uhh, wasn't Tingle an AT from the start of the game in Brawl? Yet he wasn't shown at all.....

As opposed to Isaac who was unlockable anyway

Aw hew no. Don't give those people using the trophy's in the direct as some kind of coded message about future characters anymore incentive to continue.

 

[samoxnar]

Uhh, wasn't Tingle an AT from the start of the game in Brawl? Yet he wasn't shown at all.....

As opposed to Isaac who was unlockable anyway

Exactly, to keep them ambiguous, there both still high possibility newcomers.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

Except he wasn't deconfirmed.

There is still hope, not much, but what I did realize is that the flying animation looked like it was being controlled. Maybe I'm just not accepting that he's probably not going to be in.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Did you seriously compare Shadow to Mewtwo? You do know that Shadow isn't owned by Nintendo right?

That makes no difference. Shadow can be playable, but being third party only makes him unlikely. Mewtwo's time has passed, and adding him would make the a Pokemon franchise over represented, making him unlikely. Nintendo buying up SEGA on the other hand is highly likely, but Mewtwo's a lost cause.

 

[Muster]

People who don't want cuts are unreasonable and unrealistic. TWO cuts isn't half bad considering the last game and other fighting franchises. Also, considering where you are atm, it's a sure stretch to call the competitive crowd a "Small" minority. Esp considering that Small Minority managed to get Nintendo approval for Melee in tourney, and even caught Sakurai's attention in many of the design elements of this game, with "For the Glory" mode, and FD stages.

The ****? How is it unreasonable to not want characters cut from the next game? We had no idea until now that transformations as a whole is gone, and pretty much the entire Brawl roster is unique enough to warrant a return.
Sakurai himself said "We're not going to cut characters out of the way" and gleaming "I'm trying to not cut characters" from that is far from unreasonable.

Also, Smashboards takes up a startling 1.5% of Brawl's sales, so yeah, it's a small minority.

 

[Deleted member]

Except he wasn't deconfirmed.

I didn't say Ridley was outright disconfirmed so much as I was saying he's likely not in the game.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I for one think this game can thrive even if the top characters don't get it.

I'll be sad if, for example, Mewtwo doesn't come back. However, Greninja still looks like a super fun character to play as. He's something new. All of the newcomers are, and I must say I'm excited to play as all of them (well...maybe not Wii Fit Trainer).

Surely there is more to come. We're just going to have to wait and see. Smashboards has been briefly wounded, but it will bounce back.

 

[samoxnar]

There is still hope, not much, but what I did realize is that the flying animation looked like it was being controlled. Maybe I'm just not accepting that he's probably not going to be in.

I posted on here about before, I believe Ridley's playable, the answer is in the shadow. The platforms on the stage don't obstruct the shadow, or hinder his view. There are no platforms on the final destination version of Pyrosphere, there are no stage hazards on the final destination version.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Except he wasn't deconfirmed.

Except that's 100% exactly what happened.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

That makes no difference. Shadow can be playable, but being third party only makes him unlikely. Mewtwo's time has passed, and adding him would make the a Pokemon franchise over represented, making him unlikely. Nintendo buying up SEGA on the other hand is highly likely, but Mewtwo's a lost cause.

Shadow isn't even that prominent anymore compared to Tails. I'm sorry but I don't think Shadow will make it. Mewtwo's chances are much higher than Shadow's. I hope you're joking that Mewtwo is a "Lost cause".