Character Discussion Thread

[Diddy Kong]

Gotta say, I'm confused by the complaints that Pokemon will now have "more reps than Mario" if Jigglypuff and Mewtwo both return. Somehow, those people were able to mentally reconcile the existence of an even larger Mario-to-Pokemon character gap in Brawl just because the Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon weren't visible on the select screen, but now, a visible lesser ratio is more than they can handle?

Pokémon just... HAS far many viable options than Mario.

Seriously. Out of all Mario characters left, I could only feel excitement for Toad or Paper Mario. They would be great additions I feel. Other than that? We'd have to rely on lesser characters, as Bowser Jr. or Dr.Mario. Compare this with sooo many viable, and popular options for Pokémon. Mewtwo and Jigglypuff are a given. Then there's of course Squirtle and Ivysaur who where cut. If they are cut, Blastoise and Venusaur would also be great options, very popular and iconic ones at that. Even after that there's other very popular starters as Blaziken, and now: Sceptile. Deoxys, Zoroark, Genesect all would be extremely well received as well with hype rivalling Greninja certainly.

Mario got Rosalina, and that's awesome. Personally, I'd like to see Paper Mario make it alongside her. As we now have so many duplicate entity characters anyway. Link, Toon Link. Zelda, Sheik. Samus, Zero Suit Samus. So why not?

I'd love that more than anything, but I'm keeping my expectations low to avoid disappointment.

Who's to say that there's going to be a grass starter to fulfill a fan-made pattern?

Spoiler

;_;

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Well it kinda makes sense if Pokémon Trainer is gone, and the whole internet is screaming for Sceptile now so...

 

[Warp Star Lover]

But the roster you posted bloated Mario and Pokemon and took reps away from other series, which doesn't make much sense to me. Plus Rosalina can't get in over Wario. That would be a dumb choice.

I don't see where you get "bloated" from. There are six confirmed Mario characters - I've added none.

Brawl technically had 6 Pokemon.

The only real "bloat" I've added is Ghirahim, and he's just too cool!

what do you mean with veteran clone?

Roy/Ike/Lucas/Wario/Wolf/Dr. Mario (Edit: & Meta Knight)

 

[Will]

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We got: Monk (Lucario), Ninja (Greninja), Psychic (Mewtwo)

Seems like a dream team of Pokemon choices along the Dragon, Puffball, and Electric mouse.

Why are people complaining? The Pokemon roster is among the most diverse thus far.

Wouldn't that make Charizard the pyromancer?

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

I'm pretty sure Greninja is going to be a lock. Anyone disagree?

 

[zauberdragon]

I know it's not the most popular opinion but I'm actually really liking Greninja, he's my second favourite newcomer thus far behind Little Mac (and to be fair that's mainly because I've wanted him since pre-brawl). In fact if Mewtwo doesn't get in because of him, I'm fine with that. Sure I'd be happy if he got in but Greninja is just so awesome.

 

[Will]

I'm pretty sure Greninja is going to be a lock. Anyone disagree?

No. I find it quite obvious

 

[Shotguner159]

he out ranks Chrom in both Japanese and Western polls as a favored lord and Nintendo character

I thought Ike was one of Japans least favourite lords?

 

[Gunla]

Well it kinda makes sense if Pokémon Trainer is gone, and the whole internet is screaming for Sceptile now so...

If we didn't get Mewtwo, he'd be next on my list. Sceptile was my first starter.
He's also one of the more popular Grass starters. (not Torterra, not Mr. Smug Lack Arms, not Meganium.)

Pokemon is pretty much always going to be the biggest character selection. It's one of their biggest IPs and it has large popularity worldwide.

 

[BlindFox]

I know it's not the most popular opinion but I'm actually really liking Greninja, he's my second favourite newcomer thus far behind Little Mac (and to be fair that's mainly because I've wanted him since pre-brawl). In fact if Mewtwo doesn't get in because of him, I'm fine with that. Sure I'd be happy if he got in but Greninja is just so awesome.

Is Greninja THIS awesome??

I don't think so...

 

[Will]

Thanks to BigAxle's gif sig,I find that Greninja's final smash works like Ike's.

It really is,but it looks different,it's all there,the quick swipes,then ending with a meteor smash.

 

[Sharkarat]

Roy/Ike/Lucas/Wario/Wolf/Dr. Mario (Edit: & Meta Knight)

No, I mean the definition, Ike (except counter) and Wario is nowhere near clones.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

Thanks to BigAxle's gif sig,I find that Greninja's final smash works like Ike's.

It really is,but it looks different,it's all there,the quick swipes,then ending with a meteor smash.

Looks like Ike's

Edit: I did not see you put the thing about Ike in there, mybad.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I don't see how Greninja does ANYTHING for Chrom. Especially considering the politics behind it all are different, and despite what certain devs might push, it's still Sakurai's call in the end. I certainly can't see Ike getting cut over Chrom considering how popular he was preBrawl, how popular he STILL remains to this day (he out ranks Chrom in both Japanese and Western polls as a favored lord and Nintendo character), and how much support he had and still has to this day. Only way Chrom gets in is over Ike, an Ike ain't going nowhere. Sakurai isn't gonna add a character that does little to stand out and be interesting, only reason Greninja got in really was cause Sakurai thought the idea of a ninja frog based off of Jiraiya (not the Naruto character) gave him tons to work with, and inspired him to make a rather awesome character.

He goes to Game Freak for ideas on Pokemon reps, he goes to IS for ideas on FE reps, Greninja had pretty much nothing going for him besides a supposedly unique moveset (guess who's not the first ninja in Smash) but he was ultimately included because Game Freak pushed Sakurai into it. You can bet that IS is going to do the same with Chrom, and what makes you think he won't be unique?

If Ike gets cut and we get Chrom, expect a lot of backlash from fans, people love Ike, and almost EVERYONE wants to see him return. Ike still has tons of potential to be awesome.

Pokemon Trainer.

As for your other "shaky grounds" I say only Snake runs the risk of leaving, but here's to hoping he returns.

Jiggs is probably going to go, and Lucas isn't very likely to stay. We might keep all three spacies but the possibility is there. I'm not expecting Ike to leave, but it can still happen, I would have never imagined that the main protagonist of Pokemon would be cut, but hey, it's Sakurai. Just hoping for Snake at this point.

If you're planning to begin a flamewar,sir,I reccomend you do it in conversation.

What? You're messing with me right? I'm sorry for responding then I guess.

 

[Deleted member]

Wouldn't that make Charizard the pyromancer?

No because Zard is CLEARLY not a humanoid, but a Fire-breathing dragon.

I thought Ike was one of Japans least favourite lords?

No. Never has been.

In one of the most recent magazine polls he outranked Chrom by like a whole three spots. I don't save those, but ask one of the mods, maybe N3ON has it.

Is Greninja THIS awesome??

I don't think so...

Snake did it better in Metal Gear Solid.

 

[Will]

Continuing on with newcomers' final smash similarities :

Villager's "New House" is the new Cook Kirby final smash.

 

[zauberdragon]

Is Greninja THIS awesome??

I don't think so...

Don't you use nostalgia against me! God haven't seen that film in years. It was a simpler time back then.

Just to be clear if we were to get another pokemon rep I'd pick Mewtwo but I'll take pokemon as it stands + the probably inevitable jiggly.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

Continuing on with newcomers' final smash similarities :

Villager's "New House" is the new Cook Kirby final smash.

The mega evolutions are like Warioman.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

My analysis: There will be *40* characters

Here's how I see it...

The number has increased each game. Brawl had 35 plus 4 transformations. SSB4 has split off the transformations into ACTUAL characters.

29 have been announced. Pretty much guaranteed to show up are Captain Falcon, Ness, Jigglypuff, Falco, and Mr. Game & Watch. Ganondorf has good odds too.

There will be 6 playable Pokemon. Lucario is Mewtwo's replacement, and the trio of evolved starters needs to be finished off with a grass type. I looked them over, and either Sceptile or Chesnaught are most likely.

I'm making a prediction of Demon Lord Ghirahim showing up. The Skyloft stage has been featured pretty prominently, and he's PERFECT for Smash (moreso than Bayonetta, who is unfortunately too sexy).

29 + 6 veterans + a grass Pokemon + Ghirahim = 37

There will be 4 unlockables. I'm predicting Mr. Game & Watch, Ganondorf, Demon Lord Ghirahim, and...

King K. Rool (Like Mega Man, he's an obvious choice who's been absent too long...)

That makes 38. I suspect that 2 veteran clones will round it out. I'm betting on one being Meta Knight, since Halberd appears to be back. As for the other...take your pick!

Oh, and Palutena? Stage hazard like Ridley. Also, the Mii will be an assist trophy, if it shows up at all.

So:

Eh?

*Reads first part*
"Yes, this sounds very rational."

*Reads Jigglypuff is more likely than Ganondorf and sees roster*
"Oh....ooooooh...."

 

[Will]

If Jigglypuff does get confirmed,I have one thing to say ; I expect some fairy moves.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Is Greninja THIS awesome??

I don't think so...

Yeah, Greninja is more awesome.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Jiggs is probably going to go.

(Sigh)
I can't believe this has to be said out loud

They would NOT cut a fighter who's been in Smash from the very beginning!!!!!

 

[Will]

(Sigh)
I can't believe this has to be said out loud

They would NOT cut a fighter who's been in Smash from the very beginning!!!!!

>Jigglypuff has once been thought to be cut.

>Ness has once been thought to be cut.

No,they're just lucky shots.

 

[Deleted member]

He goes to Game Freak for ideas on Pokemon reps, he goes to IS for ideas on FE reps, Greninja had pretty much nothing going for him besides a supposedly unique moveset (guess who's not the first ninja in Smash) but he was ultimately included because Game Freak pushed Sakurai into it. You can bet that IS is going to do the same with Chrom, and what makes you think he won't be unique?

Citation needed.

How do you know that a development company PUSHED Sakurai, the game director, into putting a certain character in?

You're assuming that that's what happened, but the inspired and creative design behind Greninja says otherwise. It's clear that Sakurai wanted to make a ninja character, and went ahead and did it. Hell, a lot of devs play vidya as well. I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai played X and Y, and ended up taking a liking or finding inspiration in that character from that. You assume too much young Padawan. And yes, I KNOW that Sheik is a ninja-like character, but there are clear differences in the execution of both, you can see that Sakurai had more freedom in creating Greninja than with Sheik.

Pokemon Trainer.

Very few people liked PT, and most only cared about Charizard. Many felt it was a very restrictive design and hoped he would go. As you can see, not many care that he's gone, and in fact, he was cut from PM as well.

Your move.

Jiggs is probably going to go, and Lucas isn't very likely to stay. We might keep all three spacies but the possibility is there. I'm not expecting Ike to leave, but it can still happen, I would have never imagined that the main protagonist of Pokemon would be cut, but hey, it's Sakurai. Just hoping for Snake at this point.

The main protagonist of Pokemon? There's more than one. If anything the icon of Pokemon is Pikachu, and he's still around. I always felt and hoped the PT would get the axe and in the end I was right. Go read my old posts, many times I said that PT should leave and we should get Solozard with MegaFormes. Looks like I got my wish.

Also, I need reasoning for all those other claims you made regarding Jiggs and Lucas besides "because I said so" considering you don't work at Nintendo, your word isn't convincing enough.

 

[Sehnsucht]

(Sigh)
I can't believe this has to be said out loud

They would NOT cut a fighter who's been in Smash from the very beginning!!!!!

Why not?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

(Sigh)
I can't believe this has to be said out loud

They would NOT cut a fighter who's been in Smash from the very beginning!!!!!

You say that now.......

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

(Sigh)
I can't believe this has to be said out loud

They would NOT cut a fighter who's been in Smash from the very beginning!!!!!

Yes they could.

 

[Gunla]

(Sigh)
I can't believe this has to be said out loud

They would NOT cut a fighter who's been in Smash from the very beginning!!!!!

You might want to ask @GoldenYuiitusin that very question.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't see why we wouldn't get six Pokémon characters. We got six in Brawl and this game will have more characters than that game. I see no reason to cut Jigglypuff either or to not have Mewtwo back. I have doubts about Squirtle & Ivysaur, but that's about it for cuts.

My bets are on this; Pikachu, Lucario, Charizard, Gekkouga, Mewtwo and Jigglypuff.

Yeah, I've been thinking about K. Rool lately, but leaks say otherwise. :o
I'll consider it.

Do remember that Rosalina isn't on it. So we can (and will) get more non-leaked character and I wouldn't be surprised to see K. Rool show up.

 

[TumblrFamous]

We've had characters from the Original 12 that were considered to be cut in Melee and Brawl.

No one is safe.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

He cut 2 of the most important Pokemon characters EVER. Something nobody thought would happen. And people are acting like a barely diverse character less important than Squirtle and Ivysaur is BOUND to stay just because she was in the first one???

 

[Rockaphin]

Very few people liked PT, and most only cared about Charizard. Many felt it was a very restrictive design and hoped he would go. As you can see, not many care that he's gone, and in fact, he was cut from PM as well.

I guess I'm part of the few who thought the main character from the Pokémon franchise was an awesome addition, even with the mechanics he had. PM isn't even official.

Seriously. Out of all Mario characters left, I could only feel excitement for Toad or Paper Mario. They would be great additions I feel.

We have a winner here!

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

You might want to ask @GoldenYuiitusin that very question.

It's no use, me and GoldenYuiitusin apparently hate each other

 

[Deleted member]

Why not?

Because with Sawr and the Squirts gone we still have enough room for two more Mons without increasing the overall percentage the Pokemon franchise takes up on the roster.

Brawl had:
Pika
Jiggs
Lucario
Charizard
Squirtle
Ivysaur

Smash 4 will likely have:
Pika
Jiggs
Lucario
Greninja
Charizard
Mewtwo

I really don't see the problem here...

 

[Sehnsucht]

Sakurai is going George RR Martin on all of our favourite characters.

I really don't see the problem here...

Neither do I.

I wanted to see what @ Jason the Yoshi 's response would be, because he made an assertion without giving his reasoning (whereas you have).

I see no issue with the SSB4 Pokemon roster you present, though Jiggs getting cut wouldn't be a surprise by this point (even though I do enjoy the presence of the Original Twelve). I would also take Mewtwo over Jiggs if it came down to one or the other.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

I don't see why we wouldn't get six Pokémon characters. We got six in Brawl and this game will have more characters than that game. I see no reason to cut Jigglypuff either or to not have Mewtwo back. I have doubts about Squirtle & Ivysaur, but that's about it for cuts.

My bets are on this; Pikachu, Lucario, Charizard, Gekkouga, Mewtwo and Jigglypuff.
Do remember that Rosalina isn't on it. So we can (and will) get more non-leaked character and I wouldn't be surprised to see K. Rool show up.

I'm gonna main Gekkouga.

But yeah, this is basically the outcome I believe will occur.

 

[Will]

I don't know WHY we're debating over who to be a rep.

The more the merrier,right?

 

[Oniric Spriter]

(Sigh)
I can't believe this has to be said out loud

They would NOT cut a fighter who's been in Smash from the very beginning!!!!!

That's not a good argument, specially knowing that Sakurai explicitly said that Ness was nearly getting cut in favour of Lucas.



Sometimes people just make they're own rules or some stuff like that or what? Like the "slots left" or amount of reps per franchise... *sigh*

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Guys, just because there were 6 Pokemon characters in Brawl (that were not separate) does not mean Sakurai doesn't give a **** about balancing out the roster from the point of view of a character select screen.

People only think he doesn't care about it because THEY don't think it matters.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Citation needed.

How do you know that a development company PUSHED Sakurai, the game director, into putting a certain character in?

You're assuming that that's what happened, but the inspired and creative design behind Greninja says otherwise. It's clear that Sakurai wanted to make a ninja character, and went ahead and did it. Hell, a lot of devs play vidya as well. I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai played X and Y, and ended up taking a liking or finding inspiration in that character from that. You assume too much young Padawan. And yes, I KNOW that Sheik is a ninja-like character, but there are clear differences in the execution of both, you can see that Sakurai had more freedom in creating Greninja than with Sheik.

I'm sure all five of the people who wanted Greninja are very happy, and they must have been very vocal for Sakurai to add him. Remember that Sakurai made the roster before X/Y even came out, Game Freak had to have presented the idea to him. If we hadn't gotten a Pokemon from the new gen, I could see it being Sakurai's decision alone.

Very few people liked PT, and most only cared about Charizard. Many felt it was a very restrictive design and hoped he would go. As you can see, not many care that he's gone, and in fact, he was cut from PM as well.

Your move.

Tell that to all the people who didn't want any cuts. The only people who wanted that are the competitive crowd, a small minority. I guess I should be glad for you guys apparently.

The main protagonist of Pokemon? There's more than one. If anything the icon of Pokemon is Pikachu, and he's still around. I always felt and hoped the PT would get the axe and in the end I was right. Go read my old posts, many times I said that PT should leave and we should get Solozard with MegaFormes. Looks like I got my wish.

Mascot doesn't always equal main protagonist, you don't play as a Pikachu, you play as a trainer controlling a Pikachu. Congratulations on getting what you wanted then, but I would never want to take things from others.

Also, I need reasoning for all those other claims you made regarding Jiggs and Lucas besides "because I said so" considering you don't work at Nintendo, your word isn't convincing enough.

I made no claims, this is speculation. I said that Jiggs will probably go, I don't know what your issue is here.

 

[Will]

That's not a good argument, specially knowing that Sakurai explicitly said that Ness was nearly getting cut in favour of Lucas.



Sometimes people just make they're own rules or some stuff like that or what? Like the "slots left" or amount of reps per franchise... *sigh*

Correct.